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    Pak - China Ties on the up

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a..._id=1229265931

    Excellent news no??
    We are to get much much more later on.

    http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/dec20...main/main1.htm


    Seven agreements signed
    http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/dec20...main/main2.htm


    So Pakistan is not internationally isolated anymore, like the indians said all the time.
    We have better ties with China.
    The US needs us more than ever, and poor india is so angry of being left out completely that they want to declare war.
    Talk about frustrated!!

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    #2
    Better ties with glorious Iran and now even stronger ties with Great China, a credit to the President's diplomacy in recent months. Especially great news is the fact that we are acquiring 46 new fighter planes from China, which demonstrates the confidence and committment that the Chinese hold in Pakistan's defence. This is the perfect opportunity for the President to push for a Pak-China-Iran axis in the region, to promote regional and international interests.

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      #3
      yes all the above is true and correct and that is exactly why they want to declare war!!


      Hamm nain be Choorian nehi paan rakhi hain

      [This message has been edited by The_Jackal (edited December 27, 2001).]

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        #4
        Jang.com.pk

        Musharraf wants enhanced economic ties with China

        Says he will encourage Pak businessmen on 'look-east' policy

        GUANGZHOU: President Pervez Musharraf on Sunday said Pakistan and China would open a new chapter of their bilateral relations, laying maximum emphasis on strengthening of economic partnership between the two countries.

        Talking to Governor of Ghougdong Province Lu Ruihua, who called on him, the president said his talks with the Chinese leadership, including the President Jiang Zemin and the Prime Minister Zhu Rongji, were very successful in adopting a common strategy for improving their economic ties.

        "They have total unanimity of views on all regional and international issues," he said. The two countries, he added, had been enjoying excellent strategic and political relations during the last five decades but they legged behind in improving their trade and economic interaction.

        Musharraf said he wished that there should be a greater economic collaboration between the two countries in the coming years for the mutual benefit of both the peoples. "The total trade between Pakistan and China is not even $1 billion, which really is regrettable in the context of trade between two very close partners and very close countries," he told the governor. He said he would ask the Pakistani businessmen to adopt "look-east" policy, particularly towards China, for expanding their business network abroad.

        "We must take benefit of the rapid economic progress of the brotherly country of China," he said, expressing his desire that both the countries should rise as major economic partners in the world in line with their exemplary political relations.

        He said that the engineers of Pakistan and China had constructed the Karkuram Highway and now both sides were collaborating in construction of Gwadar Port, Saindak, coal mine exploration and others projects. He noted Pakistan and Ghougdong Province (southern part of China) had set up their good economic relations, which he believed could be further improved.

        Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz, Commerce Minister Razak Dawood, Petroleum Minister Usman Aminuddin and Director-General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj-General Rashid Qureshi were also present. Musharraf came to the economic powerhouse province of Ghougdong on Sunday, the penultimate day of a five-day trip to China, after a stopover to visit China's massive Three Gorges Dam project. He will inaugurate a investment conference here on Monday (today) before returning home.

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          #5
          http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html

          Gawadar port project goes ahead..

          Aziz eyes economic relations with China

          By Nadeem Malik

          ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and China enjoy strategic political and defence relations, and now the main focus would be on solidifying bilateral economic cooperation, said Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz. In an interview with The News, he detailed several new investment projects, setting up of two joint venture electronic companies, construction of Gwadar port and $500 million balance of payments support for three years, as some of the significant initiatives between the two countries.

          "The relations between China and Pakistan are long standing, historic and very strategic in nature. We have covered every facet of relations, including political cultural, defence, but on economic side a lot needs to be done," the minister said.

          He said after visit of the Chinese Prime Minister Zhu Rongji earlier this year, the main focus had shifted to improving bilateral economic cooperation. "The visit of Rongji created a lot of activity, and now President Musharraf's visit would serve as a turning point to further strengthen our relations."

          The total trade between China and Pakistan is about $827.7 million. This includes $303.5 million exports from Pakistan and $524.2 million imports. At least in the short-run Islamabad would like to see this trade deficit of $220 million fully covered through additional exports from Pakistan.

          China has also agreed to rollover $500 million National Bank of Pakistan loan facility for next three years on competitive terms. This loan was being rolled over on yearly basis since 1998 to facilitate balance of payments requirements of the country.

          The minister termed the Gwadar deep seaport project as a symbol of Pak-China friendship. China has agreed to extend $200 million financing package for the first phase of the project that includes $50 million grant, $50 million soft loan and $100 million investment credit for construction of the port. The initial phase of the port, covering some three berths and dredging, is likely to be completed in five years. "The construction of the port would be done by Chinese companies, and technical work is already underway," Aziz said.

          However, there was some debate on the design and facilities of the project. Most of the experts believe that if the port was supposed to serve as a regional hub for trade between south-central Asia and the Gulf region, the deep-sea port should have enough capacity to handle large cargo vessels. In case, the depth is not adequate, it would not be able to cater for such international traffic in future.

          During recently concluded visit of President Musharraf, several agreements were signed between Chinese companies and the private sector operators in Pakistan. Pakistani company Euro-Guard and Qingqi of China signed an agreement for assembling of vehicles (pick-ups) in Pakistan. An agreement was signed between Dewan Salman Fibres (Pakistan) and World Best Group (China) for trading of polyester chips and fibres. Morgan Technologies (Pakistan) and Guangdong Huadi Group (China) signed a deal for manufacturing/assembling of gas appliances in Pakistan.

          Chinese investment for the construction of PARCO white oil pipeline is also part of the private sector cooperation between the two countries. In the power sector, Chuan Electric Power of China signed an agreement with the Wapda for construction of five 220 kV transmission lines at a cost of Rs 835 million. China also agreed to finance in several hydropower projects, including Golen Gol hydropower project at a cost of $110 million, Keyal Khawan hydropower project at a cost of $140 million, small hydropower projects at a cost of $130 million, and an agreement was also signed between DongPang Electric Corporation of China and Wapda for $170 million hydropower project.

          In addition, Chinese company North-East Electric Import and Export Corporation would invest in fifth STG project ($50 million), and EXIM Bank would extend $18 million facility for 18 MV hydro electric power substation in Neltar, Gilgit. China would also invest $35 million for the extension of Muzaffargarh-Ghatti 500 kV line, and $53 million for the construction of Ghatti transmission line.

          China had already agreed to finance the Saindak and railways, and also provided a cash grant of $12 million, a $24 million concessional loan facility, and established $0.5 million joint research fund. Most of these agreements were signed at the conclusion of President Musharraf's visit at Guangzhou. "This is in recognition of our economic reform programme, and to help support Pakistan's economy," said Aziz.

          He said the main challenge now was to promote the private sector cooperation and jacking up exports. The minister said China is a big and growing market that can absorb a lot of goods from Pakistan. Major Chinese companies could invest in Pakistan with the private sector cooperation. "Pakistan offers a strategic locations, access to the Central Asia, Middle East, Africa, etc and a land route through the Karakoram Highway," he added.

          He said a major success of the visit was Chinese interest in the petroleum exploration sector. "They have the expertise and we have the blocks, this could be mutually beneficial for the two countries." Aziz said that cooperation in petroleum exploration, exports, economic support, investment, project finance, and the balance of payments support were the five key areas of bilateral economic cooperation. He hoped to have broad-based strategic economic cooperation with China.

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            #6
            Excellent news, thanks alot Abdali.
            China is a true friend of Pakistan.

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              #7



              yes i agree that pakistan facilitates good yields from its diplomatic and strategic relationships with china.but at the same time pakistan can not extend its relationship with china to `full-fledged defence deals' in view of the ongoing tensions with india because china do not want to engage in tensions with india as that will pave the ways for a U.S entrance to the region and that can adversely affect chinese interests in the region eventually.

              Moreover,china wont entertain any thing that can cause serious implications to india -china relations.........

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                #8


                just remember the stand which hadbeen adopted by china during indo pak war in 1971.at first it went on making threatening comments against india and later after the defeat of pakistani troops and the birth of bangladesh it was not ready to recognize Bangladesh.


                but the interesting and the notable thing here is duing Bangladesh war ,china was not ready to engage in any serious tensions with india to favour pakistan and its military plans.......

                u guys might tell abt a `soviet-factor'but still U.S was there in favour of pakistan and it had even send its 7TH MARINE DIVISION to Bengal bay with nuclear missiles....by that time India had won rthe war and indian flag hadbeen there in Dhakka....and some U.S.S.R ships equipped with controlled missiles were also present at bay of Bengal to prevent any `misadventure'from U.S

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by sadas:



                  yes i agree that pakistan facilitates good yields from its diplomatic and strategic relationships with china.but at the same time pakistan can not extend its relationship with china to `full-fledged defence deals' in view of the ongoing tensions with india because china do not want to engage in tensions with india as that will pave the ways for a U.S entrance to the region and that can adversely affect chinese interests in the region eventually.

                  Moreover,china wont entertain any thing that can cause serious implications to india -china relations.........
                  China has already done that according to your own sources China helped Pak become a nuclear power. China is supplying all kinds of weapons that are available what more can we ask. As for two way trade its $1B and likely to increase. China will complete the Gawadar port and it will be available for China if they want it.

                  The game is already being played. As China grows and becomes a threat to US, US will tilt towards India and thet in turn brings China closer to Pak.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sadas:


                    just remember the stand which hadbeen adopted by china during indo pak war in 1971.at first it went on making threatening comments against india and later after the defeat of pakistani troops and the birth of bangladesh it was not ready to recognize Bangladesh.


                    but the interesting and the notable thing here is duing Bangladesh war ,china was not ready to engage in any serious tensions with india to favour pakistan and its military plans.......

                    u guys might tell abt a `soviet-factor'but still U.S was there in favour of pakistan and it had even send its 7TH MARINE DIVISION to Bengal bay with nuclear missiles....by that time India had won rthe war and indian flag hadbeen there in Dhakka....and some U.S.S.R ships equipped with controlled missiles were also present at bay of Bengal to prevent any `misadventure'from U.S

                    Sadas, Why are you concerned about Pakistan-China Relations ? If Pakistan thinks that China is their best friend, they must have their logic and reasons. Why should we be worried or feel bad about it ?

                    To be very frank, to an extent they are right about US. US cant be friend of any country. It is the most opportunist country in the world.

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                      #11
                      Such a Pak-China alliance always seems to worry the Indians.

                      Any country that has ties with Pak becomes an anxious concern for India. India could not resist to supply the Northern Alliance with arsenal against the Taalibaan becuase of the close co-operation that used to exist between Pak and the former Afghanee Govt. Yet it dare not even speak out against China for the land it has taken from Indian territories over past wars and border disputes.

                      What did the Taalibaan have of India that obliged India to fight them, where China failed to be victimised by the Indians, even after occupying Indian soil for decades?

                      If it's a Pak-China alliance that puts fear into the hearts of the treacherous Indians, then let it be, and let it remain, until it tears assunder the opressors of Kashmir and southern Asia.

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                        #12
                        You say Great China and Indians wet their pants.
                        It is indeed a funny sight to see!!

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                        Ours is but to do and die
                        You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                          #13
                          Perhaps the only two countries that are friends for better or for worse, Pakistan and China. Heck even the fabled buddies US and Israel have been known to spy on each other, and in some cases, go even beyond that.

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                            #14
                            stupid child students of international politics think that countries can be as fast and reliable friends as elementary schools friendship.

                            countries r run according to their national interests. Their foreign policies r also based on that. Yesterday, USA was happy to see all muslims coming to Afghanistan from all over the world. now they will roar against any muslim country not checking thei citizens from coming to afgnaistan, or for that matter any other country for 'jihad'.

                            Pakistan is alone in its 'fingering' with India. China is on the side step, just as standalone observer. USA is chiding Pak for its kashmit policy, and India is treating Mush as Isrel treats Arafat. No evidence was shared with pak against JM, but Mush meekly banned the party (despite vowing not to do so before).

                            pak army has dishonored the whole country thru its jihadi policy in kashmir and afghanistan for 23 years. what more insult to come? just keep watching.


                            Originally posted by CM:
                            You say Great China and Indians wet their pants.
                            It is indeed a funny sight to see!!

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Hasnain:
                              If it's a Pak-China alliance that puts fear into the hearts of the treacherous Indians, then let it be, and let it remain, until it tears assunder the opressors of Kashmir and southern Asia.
                              Exactly, and India and some big powers have been very, very sorry when they have dared taken on Great China. For China is destined to be the number one power of the world in a short space of time, and the fact that it Pakistan's best and most loyal friend sends shivers down India's spine.

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