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    How can the War be Prevented from Starting.

    Friends,
    Though we belong to different nations, we all have desire for peace. Instead of talking war, What steps can both the governments take to defuse the situation. Or is the situation too bad to subside and we are at a point that we cannot go back without a war.
    I would like your comments and practical possible steps.
    My thoughts are, currently the political atmosphere in India is charged up in India after Dec 13th attack on the parliament. It may not be possible for India to take up the first step towards peace. So, if Pakistan takes the initiative, it will be really a big factor in defusing the situation.
    On the other hand, India should slowdown the troops build up and improve diplomatic relations.
    Most Important people to people relations cut off by the sanctions, should be re-opened by India.
    Pakistan can crack down on militant training camps in POK and clamp down on terrorist organisations. This war will bring no peace to India or Pakistan.

    #2
    India is not after a peaceful solution. Had it not been for Pakistan's nuclear capability (masha'Allaah, tabrakAllaah), India would have waged another war against its neighbour long before the sun had risen in Islamabad.

    If india was genuinly interested in peace, it would have allowed the people of Kashmir to decide their future through free elections that have now been postponed for more than half a century.

    India has never been, nor shall ever be, interested in a peaceful resolve to the disputed territories of Asia. It is an agressor in a world where aggression has become a norm for those who wish to run the lives of others by taking away their liberty and freedom of choice; a world where animals are treated more humanely that humans; and a world where the unborn child has become a victim for being in its mother's womb.

    Peace!? 'Peace' is merely a phrase, merely an utterence, merely a 'redefined' occurence for those who make empty slogans and promises, just like 'democracy' is a word toned by those who strip away the rights of creation.

    Pakistan can crack down on militant training camps in POK and clamp down on terrorist organisations.
    We know who the terrorists are and who the freedom fighters are, as clear as night is from day. So if you do not realise that the terrorists are those who cannot give their people the free vote to decide over their own furure, then i suggest you ponder over the signs.

    &peace

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    "No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

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      #3
      Well said very well said.

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      Ours is not to reason why;
      Ours is but to do and die
      You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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        #4
        Dear Victory,

        You raise a timely point and caution:
        How can the War be Prevented from Starting?

        Being alert to the state of mind - the phobia & hate that exists amongst the hot-heads on both sides let me make the following suggestion that may or may not answer the question that you raise.:

        Collect all the hot-heads on their respective sides and banish them to a starving diet, labour from sun-up to sun-down and made to live in hovels so they can realize what Povery is and how their majority fellow countrymen live their lives. Maybe, then the likes of CM and Hasnain et all will show understanding to the harsh reality on the ground.

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          #5
          Originally posted by faceup:
          Collect all the hot-heads on their respective sides and banish them to a starving diet, labour from sun-up to sun-down and made to live in hovels so they can realize what Povery is and how their majority fellow countrymen live their lives. Maybe, then the likes of CM and Hasnain et all will show understanding to the harsh reality on the ground. [/B]
          That's a bit rich coming from someone who lives sun-up to sun-down in Miami, Florida? Did you wear a larger garbage bag than usual to hide the shame when that election fiasco was going down in your state last year?



          [This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited December 28, 2001).]

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            #6
            Originally posted by faceup:
            Collect all the hot-heads on their respective sides and banish them to a starving diet, labour from sun-up to sun-down and made to live in hovels so they can realize what Povery is and how their majority fellow countrymen live their lives. Maybe, then the likes of CM and Hasnain et all will show understanding to the harsh reality on the ground.
            That still will not address the problem. Few years back Harakat was banned under US preassure, they changed their name and were back in business next day.

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              #7
              Originally posted by faceup:
              Collect all the hot-heads on their respective sides and banish them to a starving diet, labour from sun-up to sun-down and made to live in hovels so they can realize what Povery is and how their majority fellow countrymen live their lives. Maybe, then the likes of CM and Hasnain et all will show understanding to the harsh reality on the ground.
              This is rich coming from a man how lives in the US and has never seen poverty up front.
              When was the last time you were in Pakistan???
              Never??


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              Ours is not to reason why;
              Ours is but to do and die
              You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                #8
                Quote:.
                It is an agressor in a world where aggression has become a norm for those who wish to run the lives of others by taking away their liberty and freedom of choice;
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                Remember in 1971,1965 & 1947 it was pakistan who attacked India first and India only acted in defence. O.K. things are changed now, and there is this hidden proxy war going on since 10 years. It is the Indian parliament that is attacked and that is the kaaba for our democracy. You cannot expect that Indians will sit quite if you attack their parliament.
                But, still you did not answer the topic, Do you have the courage and will to defuse the tension or Not? If yes, then can you act first and take the lead step ?

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                  #9
                  Its load of horse crap when you guyz distort the history. How much you want to bet India will start this war and then sanatize its history books to brain wash Indians.


                  When you cross IB thats when the war starts and who crossed IB in 65.

                  If you are under the impression we will shutdown training camps and hand over. muj. to India and put an end to kashmir struggle then my friend you nned to wake up.

                  yes training camps may be shutdown thanks to uncle sam but you must also remember what happened to harakat ul mujhadeen...

                  [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited December 29, 2001).]

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Victory:
                    [B]Quote:.
                    Remember in 1971,1965 & 1947 it was pakistan who attacked India first and India only acted in defence. O.K. things are changed now, and there is this hidden proxy war going on since 10 years. It is the Indian parliament that is attacked and that is the kaaba for our democracy. You cannot expect that Indians will sit quite if you attack their parliament.
                    But, still you did not answer the topic, Do you have the courage and will to defuse the tension or Not? If yes, then can you act first and take the lead step ?
                    B]
                    Such propaganda on the one hand, and chants of peace on the other

                    Those who know the facts about '47, '65 and '71, know them. Do you want to base your arguments on national affiliation or on facts? If you want real peace, then you should put all bias aside and deal with the facts.

                    Fact 1.
                    India initiated the troop movements which have led to the current volatile situation on the Indo-Pak border.

                    Fact 2.
                    Pakistan govt. has offered negotiations several times, only to be rebuffed each and every time.

                    Fact 3.
                    Pakistan asked, and never received any proof of LETs involvement, yet still they went ahead and took definitive actions against the organization for the sake of diplomacy and peace.

                    Fact 4.
                    India initiated all the sanctions that are in place against the two countries.

                    Fact 5.
                    India has refused talks even at the SAARC summit.

                    Frankly, keeping in mind the above facts, Im surprised at Pakistans patience, despite the fact that they are engaged on two borders against two hostile neighbors.

                    The ball is in India's court, if they want peace. The ball is in India's court, if they want war. They will get whatever they wish for.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Victory:
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                      It is an agressor in a world where aggression has become a norm for those who wish to run the lives of others by taking away their liberty and freedom of choice;
                      Remember in 1971,1965 & 1947 it was pakistan who attacked India first and India only acted in defence. O.K. things are changed now, and there is this hidden proxy war going on since 10 years. It is the Indian parliament that is attacked and that is the kaaba for our democracy. You cannot expect that Indians will sit quite if you attack their parliament.
                      But, still you did not answer the topic, Do you have the courage and will to defuse the tension or Not? If yes, then can you act first and take the lead step ?
                      Two things, why is your government refusing to share the evidence wiht Pakistan. Simply because this attack was a sham carried out by your own intelligence agencies in a similar way that the plane hijacking was done a few weeks ago.

                      Secondly, as Musharraf said you need two hands to clap, you people need to drum some sense into your safrron brigade then maybe there will be peace.

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                        #12
                        The Telegraph quite rightly points out that Kashmir is the central issue and without resolving it, there can be no peace.

                        At least Pakistanis dont vote fundamentalists like Advani into power. The Indians voted BJP into power, well all I can say is that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

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                          #13
                          Pakistanís army uses this low cost strategy to fight indian army and at the same time avoid any losses to the Pakistanís regular army. but this strategy has no endgame.
                          cost is getting higher for india and it is reaching the capital delhi.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by rvikz:
                            Pakistanís army uses this low cost strategy to fight indian army and at the same time avoid any losses to the Pakistanís regular army. but this strategy has no endgame.
                            cost is getting higher for india and it is reaching the capital delhi.
                            How is the cost getting higher for Delhi I though muj. were uselss and its not hurting India.


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                              #15
                              how much money you have to spend a year
                              to fight mujis? let us calculate for next 10 years how many soldiers will be lost.
                              so invest that money and material now to
                              fight the pakistan army itself. it is better to loose arma and a leg than slowly bleed
                              to death or give the kashmir to pakistan and get out.

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