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    Pakistan to close down madrasas offering military training

    Wow, US pressure is working on Pakistan

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    Pakistan to close down madrasas offering military training

    ISLAMABAD, NOV 29
    Pakistan government has decided to close down religious seminaries or madrasas in the country providing military training to their students.

    The decision was taken at the highest level and Ministry of Religious Affairs and all provincial governments have been informed in this regard.

    But there was no official announcement on this issue.

    A list of religious seminaries having extremist views and providing military training has been prepared, Urdu newspaper `Jang' said here today.

    In October this year, the Government, under pressure from the international community to launch a crackdown on the madrasas following Sept 11 terrorist attacks, announced steps to streamline the activities and the education system.

    According to estimates, Pakistan has 25,000 to 3,5000 big and small privately run Islamic seminaries devoted exclusively to teach the Islamic education. Most of the seminaries were run with funds from Saudi Arabia and were found to be popular with the children of low income families as they offered free food and accommodation.

    A number of fundamentalist leaders of Taliban studied in these madrasas which taught fundamentalist ideologies like Deoband school of Islamic extremism.


    #2
    kewl deal

    but not simply close down the madrassas. separate those who are just rpoviding education to kids who would otherwise not get any, from those who are churning out jiyalas..

    second confiscate the funds of fighter-factory type madrassas and use those to make real schools.

    stopping something destructive is not enough, stopping something destructive and creating or promoting something constructive is what we need.
    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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      #3
      I think the main issue is the indoctrination of the worst kind, which nearly 80% of the madressas r involved in, not just the madressas giving military training.

      it does not need much to know how to load chambers, aim, and fire. What needs more is the complete brainwashing and filling in the mond and hatred against the other community/sect.

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        #4
        Musharraf is trying to implement same type of policies as the one practiced by the Turkish army and ruling class. But Pakistan is not Turkey where vast majority of the Muslims do not practice Islam. If he chooses to suppress the religious establishment by ruth force, then he will earn a severe back-lash from the local public .

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          #5
          Originally posted by Abdullah k:
          Musharraf is trying to implement same type of policies as the one practiced by the Turkish army and ruling class. But Pakistan is not Turkey where vast majority of the Muslims do not practice Islam. If he chooses to suppress the religious establishment by ruth force, then he will earn a severe back-lash from the local public .
          Abdullah

          where was the "severe back-lash" when Pakistani army was assisting USA command and control in pin-pointing Taliban positions to be bombed, and handing over more than 3 airports to USA?

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            #6
            hey man no issues with having religious institutes and madrassas where you develop scholars and imams and researchers. that should not be stopped or scrapped.

            but institutions churning out illogical, one track mind, fanatical fighters is not what we need, and in my view has nothing to do with religion.

            if people can see the difference good if not, well they deal with it anyways.
            The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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              #7
              FreeMind, I am not surprised to hear an unenlightened reply from a hard core communist who must see everything to believe it. The same way you saw the might of communism crumble to the ground with the demise of Soviet Union-once an unthinkable scenario. It was all articial and man made system of governance and was doomed to fail.
              Events happen on their due time and when the plan is complete. Therefore, it will only be a matter of time when events will start to unfold if the government of Pakistan would try to suppress people from practicing their faith and religion.

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                #8
                Fraudz, absolutely. There is no place of concepts in Islam which cause people to follow teh path of blind hatred and extremism. However, there is clear emphasis in Islam to struggle for a just and right cause. And, I believe as much as we would like to have our space to live peacefully and moderately, we must not interfere with the ones who dare to stand up and fight against injustice.

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                  #9
                  This is a small step in the right direction. There is absolutely no need for these institutions. The Education should be a Public matter administered by the State (totally for secular and non-religious education). Religious schooling can occur on the weekend (like Sunday school) and can be done in neighborhood mosques. What these Madrassahs are - a breeding grounds for intolerance where take away kids as young as 5 and have them rot Quran and are brainwashed to hate and kill the infidels. Being illiterate is preferable over such an education. These places should never have existed to begin with.

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                    #10
                    I dont think Musharaf can ever come close to do what Ataturk did. Pakistan is not like Tureky
                    I LOVE IT WHEN PAKIS HATE ME!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
                      This is a small step in the right direction. There is absolutely no need for these institutions. The Education should be a Public matter administered by the State (totally for secular and non-religious education). Religious schooling can occur on the weekend (like Sunday school) and can be done in neighborhood mosques. What these Madrassahs are - a breeding grounds for intolerance where take away kids as young as 5 and have them rot Quran and are brainwashed to hate and kill the infidels. Being illiterate is preferable over such an education. These places should never have existed to begin with.
                      We call ourselves civilized and preach tolerance and acceptance for others who may have other believes than us. How diffierent is your extremely generalised statement from the ones who preach intolerance and total destruction of infidels. It's all give and take. If you carrry such ideas, do not expect anyone to have any respect for your school of thought.

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                        #12
                        Closing down the jehadi madrassahs is one thing, but what about rehabilitating those who are already in them or have graduated from. Do you think some reeducation needs to be done?

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                          #13
                          >>If you carrry such ideas, do not expect anyone to have any respect for your school of thought. <<

                          Abdullah K…you must be dreaming my man. No one has any expectations from anyone. I personally don’t mind them believing what they want, but when they go around preaching hatred of others (including hatred towards me), it becomes my business to put them in their place.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Infoman:
                            Closing down the jehadi madrassahs is one thing, but what about rehabilitating those who are already in them or have graduated from. Do you think some reeducation needs to be done?

                            Indeed but in a country where many wound up in such institutues due to lack of regular educational facilities, who would do the rehab? and how would it be done? Additionally the kids who are there right now could be rehabed and provided better education, but there are no real means of tracking who all is an alumnus. I mean I doubt they have alumni databases and directories.

                            Close them, make sure the kids there get into real schools and better equiped to deal with life. Thats what can be done.

                            Madrassas which are providing good education and are not into the fanatic creation business should be made to follow some sort of guidelines which are enforced, a curriculum perhaps, some sort of accountability, a board which deals with real religious institutes.

                            And availability of real schools has to be addressed and the facilities provided to people.

                            People should also be prosecuted who "sell" their kids to these institutes. the institutues just take over and say dont worry about your kid we will take care of everything and the poor parents look at this as a god send and do it..this must be discouraged.
                            The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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                              #15
                              NYA, we can discuss the core reason of religious bigotry and hatred amongst different believes till the cows come home. There is no question that in Pakistan religious extremism exists in its worst forms; when people choose to neglect what's been ascribed in the scripture and follow their own path. The problem cannot be eliminated by dropping an axe or generalization, but through reforming the institutions and developing a framework and guiding structure through broader cooperation and understanding between different religious scholars.

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