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    TERRORISM AND SECOND WIND FOR PAKISTAN

    Dear Moderators,

    A few days ago this thread was opened by Taj2001, to which I participated. I wonder what happened to it. Will moderator be kind enough to re-post this thread along with my comments on it. Thanks.

    Sincerely,
    FARID

    (Earlier posted By Taj2001)

    TERRORISM AND SECOND WIND FOR PAKISTAN
    TERRORISM HAS NO RELIGION

    I take this moment to honor and remember the heroes of World Trade Center tragedy. My heart goes to the families of our fallen brothers and sisters.
    My heart also goes out to all innocent human beings who become victim of group or state-sponsored terrorism anywhere in the world.
    This deplorable incident forces us to review the old paradigms. We must take a serious look at the list of threats to mankind and the order in which we must face them. I hope we realize that the New York incident re-defines the relationships between individuals, communities and nations. It opens our eyes to a dark side of man and his projected power of hate. It also reveals
    the ultimate goodness found in the actions of hundreds of those Firefighters and volunteers who donated their lives to save a fellow human being. Those gallant heroes were not exercising their racial, religious or nationalpreferences when saving lives of strangers in the rumble.

    The World Trade Center incident has put the immigrants of this nation and
    Europe on a spot. Specially those whose native countries are directly or
    indirectly involved in this conflict. We have come from distant lands. We
    have come from lands of Nile and the Indus; from the heart of Himalayas to
    the shores of Mediterranean; from Sahara to the chilling winds of
    ant-arctic; from islands of Pacific to the coasts of Atlantic. We have come
    to America to make it our new homeland. We belong to different cultures,
    speak different languages, and practice different religions. We come in
    different colors and sizes, but there is one thing in common between all of
    us. We are Americans by choice and neither by compulsion nor by an accident.
    It is shame that terrorism has brought America together. But thank God we
    have come together. What makes America a great nation? Not its skylines,
    prosperity or shining lights, but the presumption of innocence until proven
    guilty. Unlike other places that we know, one is guilty unless proven
    innocent. It's the freedom that attracts the millions who break all previous
    ties to tie into a new and lasting relationship.
    Terrorism neither knows any religion nor does it hold any nationality. It
    can be found in all places where hate possesses the mind and the soul
    becomes home of the devil. Terrorism is deplorable whether it's foreign or
    homegrown. It is a predator that needs to be identified and eliminated. The
    world must come together including civic organizations and the governments
    to eradicate the causes of this epidemic. We must also eliminate the
    fertile economic, perceptive and political grounds, which give birth to
    terrorist infestations and hatcheries.
    These are the testing times for our value system. In this somber moment of
    American history, one might easily detour the path of true Americanism. We
    must not lose our faith in the goodness of America by compromising on
    individual freedoms and liberties. We must not give away the aroma of
    democracy in favor of borrowed tools of tyranny. Let us not second judge the
    patriotism of our citizens. Not every Muslim or an Arab is a terrorist. Just
    as not every white man is a member of KKK.
    Sindh and Sindhi people have been the victims of terrorism for more than
    twenty years. The conclusion of Soviet-Afghan war brought very little good
    for peoples of Pakistan. It only strengthened General Zia-ul-Haq's satanic
    rule over the country. Backing Zia was probably the lowest moment in
    American diplomacy. It was Zia who created Talibans, pitched brother against
    brother, and opened floodgates of arms and drug trade in Pakistan. Hundreds
    and thousands of innocent people lost their lives to gun and drug culture in
    Pakistan. Province of Sindh and its citizens paid the heavy price. Under
    the shadow of international conflict, people of Sindh lost democracy and
    thus the right of self-governance.
    Sufi traditions in Sindh are deeply rooted in the culture and psyche of
    Sindhi people. They are more tolerant than any other group of people in
    Pakistan. Sindhis are natural allies of forces of democracy and freedom.
    Having no representation in Pakistan army or bureaucracy, people of Sindh
    are indifferent to nonsensical regional conflicts, which only tighten the
    army's grip over the country. In religion, people of Sindh see a true
    support system and not a militant and judgmental regime of dictates. People
    of Sindh disapprove of any religious fundamentalism. People of Sindh will
    welcome any change that will ensure their right to nationhood, restoration
    of democracy, prosperity and a progressive society in their province and
    Pakistan.
    All progressive people, especially Sindhi leadership must break its silence
    to expose the greatest threat to individual and collective human rights.
    Pakistan under a Taliban rule will establish a worst form of "One Unit" ever
    seen in the history of our nation. It will push the nation back into the
    dark ages.
    SECOND WIND FOR PAKISTAN

    As the world turns its attention towards fighting terrorism, Pakistan ones
    again takes the center stage. This time, Pakistan gets its second wind to
    undo its own creation- the Talibans. Also comes the opportunity for the
    military rulers and politicians not to go overboard mixing religion with
    politics. The country whose economy and living standards are totally linked
    with international trade and commerce and much needed foreign assistance had
    fallen to rhetoric for the decades. Pakistan's successful alliance against
    terrorism will bring windfall economic and political benefits for the
    country. It will also restore its positive image in the world community.
    This is the best opportunity for Pakistani army to redeem itself from all
    its past and present mistakes.
    For decades, politics in Pakistan has been heading to this conclusion. It
    will be utterly naive to believe otherwise. It is now obvious that one can't
    reason with fanatics. I fear that Sindh's cause and the cause of common man
    in Pakistan will be stampede by rising religious fundamentalism in the
    country. This is no time to sit on the sidelines. Sindhi leadership along
    with all other progressive forces in Pakistan and abroad must rally against
    this madness. For the sake of a few, we must not turn South Asia and of
    course Sindh into a battleground. We must do everything to bring the
    terrorist to justice. This might prevent a war in the region. Any
    indiscriminate war is a collective suicide. No religion in the world allows
    that. Question is where do we go from here? Here is my humble submission:
    FOR US TO DO

    1. All overseas and Sindh based and other Pakistani
    organizations must start with a collective resolution condemning terrorism
    regardless its philosophical premises and the place of origin. We must
    distinguish the cause of Sindhi people and the common man from the rest. Let
    us begin with ourselves. I feel we must take into confidence the leadership
    of at least SANA, WSI, WSC and other key individuals here in North America
    first. IWRA is one link that exists between these organizations. We could
    invoke this relationship to initiate some discussion. After arriving at a
    common ground on this issue, we must pursue at least Sindh and Balochistan
    based organizations to adopt similar resolutions.
    2. In my humble observation, we must not oppose everybody
    and all the time as we excessively do. We must support all progressive
    political groups, parties and governments overseas and in Pakistan, which
    are engaged in putting this Genie back in the bottle. We have too many
    conventional and nuclear weapons to go around. We do not want angry men on
    the triggers. The war against terrorism can be won by winning the hearts of
    the common man upon the miseries of which the terrorism thrives. A
    non-violent and durable approach must also be considered.
    3. Sindhi and Balochi leadership must take the lead in
    this situation. They must include Pakistan Peoples Party to launch a
    combined peaceful struggle against hate groups in the country. MQM, factions
    of Muslim League and progressive organizations should also be approached for
    this cause. They must all arrive at the minimum agenda including restoration
    of democracy, equitable distribution of water between the provinces and
    attractive economic and development packages to rebuild Pakistan especially
    rural and urban areas of the Sindh and Balochistan. People of Sindh and
    Balochistan must be rewarded for their historic and consistent secular
    approach to politics.
    ADVISE TO PAKISTANI GENERALS

    Since its inception, the State of Pakistan has used religion to suppress all
    voices of reason. Hence giving undue advantage to the religious politics in
    the country. Now it has come back to haunt it. Assuming that General Pervez
    Musharraf and his allies in the army want to fight-back religious
    fundamentalism inside Pakistan and along its borders, they can't do it with
    the state power alone. Excessive use of state power will moralize the
    mission of hate groups in the country. It will also increase chances of a
    military coup by fundamentalist sections in the army.
    This fight requires ideological strength and backing, which can only be
    found in alternate political movements and political parties of Pakistan.
    The power of reason can be unleashed through restoration of democracy and
    genuine freedom. If Pakistan army really means well this time, it should
    play role of a catalyst in bringing progressive peoples of Pakistan together
    and delivering social justice to the common man. General Pervez Musharraf
    must do the following:
    1.. Release all political prisoners and allow progressive political
    parties and their leaders to return to Pakistan to mobilize the masses
    against this madness. Terminate all witch-hunts against political workers
    and their leaders. Let the court system in the country take its course in
    punishing the culprits.
    2 Army must not use this opportunity to extend its rule over the
    country. It must learn the most valuable lesson from the past.
    Armed forces are not trained to govern but to obey the governance of
    the people.

    3.. Accept Pakistan as a nation of many nations. Create a tolerant
    environment in the country by giving equal rights to all religious and
    ethnic minorities. Guarantee their rights through constitutional
    protections. Provide a strong moral and legal protection to all individuals
    and groups against mob persecutions.

    4.. Remove politics from religious institutions and religion from
    political institutions. Stop religious propaganda from state-owned media.

    5.. Use this opportunity to build bridges between the regional powers in
    the South Asian states. Reduce tensions between India and Pakistan.

    6.. Promote peace and harmony in the region. Make a commitment to assist
    and rebuild a democratic, prosperous and progressive New Afghanistan.
    Iqbal Tareen
    B.E, Electrical (Sindh University)
    CSS, Business Administration ( Harvard)
    PGC Telecommunication (Richland College, Texas)
    PGD Computer Programming (Radiant Institute, Texas)
    Vice President,
    IT and Telecom Consulting (Richardson, Texas)
    Former President
    Sindhi Association of North America (SANA);
    Chairman,
    SANA's Sindh Rights Committee;
    Founding President
    Jeeay Sindh Students Federation.

    #2
    Originally posted by Farid:
    Iqbal Tareen
    B.E, Electrical (Sindh University)
    CSS, Business Administration ( Harvard)
    PGC Telecommunication (Richland College, Texas)
    PGD Computer Programming (Radiant Institute, Texas)
    Vice President,
    IT and Telecom Consulting (Richardson, Texas)
    Former President
    Sindhi Association of North America (SANA);
    Chairman,
    SANA's Sindh Rights Committee;
    Founding President
    Jeeay Sindh Students Federation.[/B]
    #1 he forgot to write in his highschool, middle school and elementary school.

    #2 Is he going to personally apologize for the atrocities commited by the Jeey Sinndh Student Frederation in Karachi during the 80's. After all that was his creation, he can talk all peace and be holier than thou know it all banner waving book bangin sage.

    Would he be kind enough to apologize to the people terrorized, tortured, harassed by his organization and to the families of those who lost their lives at the hand of his group's goons.

    The guy is a chump.

    X Factor

    ( teesra sipara fail - maulvi tameez uddin madrassa

    primary - haq bahoo govt school aka peela school, zila mardaan

    secondary school - nai roshni school, cheechoo ki maliaan

    founder - drigh colony carrom board club)

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      #3
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by Farid:
      ADVISE TO PAKISTANI GENERALS

      1.. Release all political prisoners and allow progressive political
      parties and their leaders to return to Pakistan to mobilize the masses
      against this madness. Terminate all witch-hunts against political workers
      and their leaders. Let the court system in the country take its course in
      punishing the culprits.


      With the kind of political leaders we have seen, I wish them to remain in jail for the rest of their lives. The court system that you talk about does not work under an 'elected' government...never has. It is always dictated by the ruling party, and the witch hunt that you talk about is always more evident in a democratic setup than in an army rule.

      2 Army must not use this opportunity to extend its rule over the
      country. It must learn the most valuable lesson from the past.
      Armed forces are not trained to govern but to obey the governance of
      the people.


      Yes, but unfortunately, even some of our Harvard and Oxford educated rulers have not been able to govern the public and the army in a logical manner. If we have rulers like Nawaz Sharif who come back to undermine our armed forces by taking shotgun trips to the white house, then thanks, we dont need them.

      Rest, sorry to say, most of the post is sectarian in nature.....It mostly goes on and on about sindh sindh sindh, as if noone else exists in Pakistan. In the presence of such mindsets, we can never have any advancement in Pakistan.

      The current setup has done good for Pakistan so far. Let them do their job. Allow them to work and run their course.

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        #4
        Actually this gentlemen is not your typical "Saeein GM Syed is god" Sindhi nationalist. Not at all like like Farid.

        He's a pretty smart guy.

        *********
        Dear A. Khaliq Junejo,

        Part of your recent statement ".. the Mahaz believed in collective
        interests, clean character of its members, democratic values and fighting
        for the case of Sindh through arguments" reminded good old days of Jeeay
        Sindh Movement and its noble objectives. As a founding president of Jeeay
        Sindh Student's Federation, I had tried to keep the organization democratic,
        clean from arms and violence and also insulated from the interference from
        the top. Let me share with you a page from its history.

        Yousif Jakhrani was my childhood friend. I refused to induct him in Jeeay
        Sindh Students Federation because of his non-ideological and violent traits.
        I loved him like a brother but I drew line in the sand. I remember he went
        to saeen GM Syed and complained about me. Saeen flatly told him, "Go back to
        Iqbal and convince him". Another example was a gentleman named Khawar from
        Larkana. There were many such occasions where I had to put my foot down.

        I had fought very hard to close the doors to violence in our organization.
        I was hated by many of our foes and had received many threats but never
        possessed even a knife during all those years. Many friends offered
        protection and arms but I refused such propositions. I always believed that
        once we mixed guns with our ideology, guns will takeover. The most essential
        challenge for our national struggle has always been its successful
        transformation into a mass struggle. Without attaining that goal we will
        never be able to legitimize our cause. There is no gun in the world more
        powerful than the morality of the purpose and support of the people.

        As you all know, Jeeay Sindh Student's Federation was the first and only
        organization, which held elections in Nawabshah to elect its leadership
        after my resignation. I wanted to establish two traditions. One, every
        office bearer of student wing of Jeeay Sindh movement must resign when he or
        she completes the student status. Two, nobody should be imposed from the top
        as a leader of any organization.

        In 1972, Saeen GM Syed had appointed me as Saalar (Chief) of Jeeay Sindh
        Muhafiz, a newly established militant wing of Jeeay Sindh movement. I went
        to Baluchistan and NWFP to establish contacts with Sheroo Mari and Ajmal
        Khatak. After my 3 months stay in Baluchistan, I realized that the most
        important thing was to translate our ideology into a mass struggle of Sindhi
        nation. Establishing militant group without any mass support would turn it
        into a criminal machine. I returned from Baluchistan, and stresses on
        forming a Jeeay Sindh Party, which saeen disapproved. The purpose of forming
        a party was to prevent opportunists using GM Syed's credibility for their
        personal ends and subject everyone under tight party discipline. Instead
        Saeen GM Syed formed Jeeay Sindh Mahaz inviting same old waderas to join
        him. At that time, I respectfully bowed out for good. Regardless of my
        disagreements with Saeen GM Syed, he will always be my patriarch.

        I am very proud of your decision to maintain JSM as a democratic and civil
        organization. I also commend your resolve to keep it free from criminals and
        loose cannons. I wish you success and hope others will follow the suit.

        Sincerely,

        Iqbal Tareen

        [Note: Above statement should not be construed as an endorsement of or
        hostility against any Jeeay Sindh faction or party. I have no affiliations
        with any political group or party either in Sindh or here in USA. I am life
        member of Sindhi Association of North America for which I offer my services
        whenever requested by the SANA Executive Council. Opinion expressed here is
        my personal position on the issue and does not reflect official views of
        SANA]

        ********

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          #5
          Where does he address the harrassment, violence and murders committed by his prodigy, his lame duck ghundas in the guise of goons terrorizing no sindhi students and faculty.

          The record of interior sindh institutions is no secret, and the ghunda gardi of this gang of thugs in Karachi is well known too.

          He should be ashamed, not proud of his doings. what a jack ass

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            #6
            Akif,

            The writer of this post is Iqbal Tareen which was posted by Taj2001. Instead of re-posting the removed post, you have wrongly associated the excerpts to my name. I do not know whether Taj2001 and Iqbal Tareen are the same person or he is using cut and paste here. Though I agree with 100% of the content of the post I would again request you to re-post this under Taj2001 and not under my name, as I do not want to take credit for someone else.

            Your comments are quite week in view of frequently kicking out of politicians without completing their tenure. If you look at the history most of time Pakistan is ruled by dictators since 1947. Therefore you can not blame politicians including Nawaz Sharif. Pakistan military never allowed establishing democratic institutions for which they are responsible in addition to mess they have created now.

            Taj2001,

            Are you Iqbal Tareen and using nick as Taj2001 or some other guy? Please clarify, so that I can give you a befitting response.

            FARID

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              #7
              Faird, I am NOT Iqbal Tareen. I am not worthy of being a true Sindhi. I don't hate Punjabis.

              Though I must say the reson for the military taking over has a lot to do with the absense of true democracy in Pakistan. Had true democracy ever existed in Pakistan, the Army would have been kept under check. Democracy can play a huge role in Pakistan if we can get away from the politics of feudals, industrialists, and other corrupt elites of Pakistan. The military does not exist in a vacuum, its faults are those of our political leaders mulitplied twice.

              As it stands our political leaders have yet to provide a beter alternative to the military. When will that happen, if ever?

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                #8
                Hey btw Faird, are you a member of any overseas Sindhi associations? You know the type...they are killing our Sindhu...bla bla...whine whine...

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                  #9
                  Taj2001,

                  You are not Iqbal Tareen but you keep on posting his writings in this forum which indicates your liking for his views. I never asked your ethnicity, as I am least interested. Your views are contradictory with the posts, seems to be a very confused person. BTW are you a crossbreed? I mean mother and father belonging to different ethnic background?

                  Sincerely,
                  FARID

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                    #10
                    Why? Am I not allowed to read the writings of different people in Pakistan? I just like reading different opinions and try to keep an open mind. And yes I do like some of his views. Not all though.

                    And I never told you my ethnicity, nor did I ask yours. I know you are Sindhi from previous posts of yours. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

                    And what am I confused about? Do tell. It's always a good thing to read different views and then and only then formulate ones opinions.

                    And no I belong to only one ethnicity though my best friend happens to be from a certain other ethnicty that traditionally doesn't get along with mine.

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                      #11
                      Taj2001
                      I don't think anyone here get the concept of interracial friends. Their prespective is guided by the stereotypical views that are bestowed upon them by genetics.
                      In a battle of wits in my opinion he is not armed.

                      [This message has been edited by Mariam (edited October 25, 2001).]

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mariam:
                        Taj2001
                        I don't think anyone here get the concept of interracial friends.



                        Mariam

                        Thank you for puttign everyone here in the same group. I disagree and I can bet that almost everyone here as friends who are from other races, religions and ethnicities ( do ponder the difference between ethnicity and race though since the issues mentioned were between ethnicities)

                        Their prespective is guided by the stereotypical views that are bestowed upon them by genetics.

                        It would have been prudent to describe who you mean by "their" in your statement. Additionally saying that someone inherits his/her political views as an extremely racist statement, no matter who the recipient.


                        The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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                          #13
                          Taj2001,

                          “Why? Am I not allowed to read the writings of different people in Pakistan? I just like reading different opinions and try to keep an open mind. And yes I do like some of his views. Not all though.”

                          Which of his opinions you don’t like them? Can you be more specific?

                          “And I never told you my ethnicity, nor did I ask yours. I know you are Sindhi from previous posts of yours. Sorry if I'm mistaken.”

                          You bet.

                          FARID

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                            #14
                            Which of his opinions you don’t like them? Can you be more specific?
                            Yes, blaming everything on the army and not acknowledging the role he played in nurturing the terrorist mafia called JSQM/JSSF. The same mafia that these days is allied with MQM. Also persisting with his divisive ethnic politics. Other than that, he has it spot on.

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                              #15
                              Iqbal tareen's offspring orgfanization has been responsible for tons of crimes, murders etc.

                              This guy now has the nerve to tell people anything. The moron needs ot be arrested, extradited and tried for the blind eye he, and other head honchos of his group turned when his goons, all worked up after his rantings went and destroyed people's lives who were not like him.

                              He is a little punk, who needs to be confronted with this. There is not just a skeleton in his closet but entire cemeteries.

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