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  • Hollywood
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    Farid,

    I dont know where you come from, but you obviously have no idea what you`re talking about.

    Whenever there is a strike in Karachi for example, people just prefer to stay at home rather than to go out and run into a small group of lunatics. A city of over 9 million people, does not stay at home to support any of your buddies and their "jihadi strike calls". The people of Sindh, and that includes myself, could care less about any of you religious fanatical dudes who have too much time on your hands, quite frankly.
    We just prefer staying at home, firstly because it's simply safer, and secondly because it gives us all a day to chill at home

    By the way, the JUI's activists that were rounded up in Sukkur were all shipped like a bunch of monkeys to our province from Punjab and NWFP. 80% were Afghanis and the other 20% were the usual crowd - ie paid,picked up,and eventually to be dropped of back home by Fazul Rehman's chamchas.A bunch of losers.

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  • Farid
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    Hollywood and co,

    You guys are either on lying spree or ignorant what is happening in your own country. These few links pertaining to Sindh only shows how many people are supporting Musharraf for his policies.


    500 JUI activists released (Sukkur) http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/16/nat2.htm

    HYDERABAD: Complete strike in Sindh http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/16/local24.htm

    SUKKUR: Strike observed in upper Sindh http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/16/local26.htm

    KARACHI: Strike disrupts life in Karachi http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/16/local1.htm

    FARID

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  • Hollywood
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    The Generals were scheduled to be reposted prior to this event. What the President did was fully justified and on accordance with his powers as Chief of Army Staff. Remember, as long as the corps commanders are with him - no one can touch him.

    And one more thing bud, tell me how many seats have the JUI and JI combined won in the last 4 general elections? Not even a handful. What they have are tons of cars, lots of money, and lots of time. Hence, the protest rallies.

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  • mAd_ScIeNtIsT
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    Originally posted by scarface:
    How can you explain the dismissal of the generals at this time of need when the army must stand united?
    The Generals were not dismissed - they were simply reassigned to other, more ceremonial, positions, as I understand it.

    And by the way, the protestors are for the main part shouting pro-Taliban slogans, not pro-Afghanistan protests. The political party organising the protest, the Jamaat-i-Ulema-i-Islam, are and have always been a staunchly pro-Taliban party.

    Though you are right in saying that the Taliban have failed to establish an Islam state. As Maududi said, an Islamic State is founded on Tawheed (Unity of God), Risalat (Prophethood) and Khilafat (Vicegerence). The last of the three is missing from Afghanistan.

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  • scarface1
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    Ali_R,

    I would say the protestors and OBL want the right thing but the method is what I am criticising. Protests is not a solution from Islam.

    All Muslims are sincere from default.

    Taj2001,

    What happened to your other post?

    I gave one opinion, it doesn't have to be right so what's yours?

    What else could Musharraf have done to stop the murder of innocents by America?

    btw, I still think annexing Afghanistan was the best choice. For one thing it would stop the anti-Pakistan Northern Alliance and it would be harder for America to attack a Nuclear power.

    Hollywood,

    How can you explain the dismissal of the generals at this time of need when the army must stand united?

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  • Hollywood
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    Sindh has nothing to do with these extremist morons like the JUI.These people are coming into Sindh only to cause trouble.They have no political standing.All they have is a lot of money which they use to make the poor people,especially young students,part of their anti-Islamic,anti-Pakistan and for that matter anti-Sindh activities.By the way,the PPP is still the most popular party in Sindh followed by the PML and MQM.None of these extremists have any following in our province.

    Finally,Scarface bhai-if Musharaff did not have the support of the army,he would not be here.The army is simply the most powerful force in Pakistan.They are a disciplined unit,who by the way, stood by their commander when he, along with innocent civilian passengers were being subjected to the worse form of terrorism by a bald headed loser who called himself the Prime Minister.They stood by him throughout that ordeal and they have stood by him all the way.Your attempts to hint towards a division in our army are the acts of a desperate individual.Just think about all you`re saying.No rational individual can support your opinions.Wake up.

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  • Taj2001
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    Ali_R, Only HT is right of course!

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    It is always pakistan's interior minister who is sent to Afghanistan not the foreign minister. Pakistan already sees Afghanistan as a fifth province. He could have annexed Afghanistan to Pakistan and put taleban under his control. Then he would ask to see the proof and tried bin ladin for the crime and yes he does hold the power to do that.
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    Are you an idiot or are you an idiot? Don't talk about things you know nothing off. Taliban are under nobodies control. Yes, it is true ISI helped them in the begining, but the Taliban like the Afghans they are reasserted their control a logn time ago. ISI has almost zero influence left in Afghanistan today.

    And their will be no annexation of Afghanistan from Pakistan...it maybe the other way around when all lands west of Indus join Afghanistan under Taliban control. That'll be fun.

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  • Ali_R
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    Originally posted by scarface:

    Ali_R performing a useless action would not take anyone out of Islam so be careful of saying something like that.

    We have to first seek for the solution from Islam so is protests a solution from Islam? Of course not. It's a waste of time and energy which could be used by behaving like educated Muslims to convince the people of authority to do something about this situation. No one is going to listen to animals who do not care for anyone else's property.


    I emphasized on your definition of Muslim. Don't take it literally my friend. If Musharraf is wrong and these protestors are wrong then who is right?!
    And if OBL is wrong then who is left? (Besides the Afghan people)
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    • ďna maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir'aun!Ē


    [This message has been edited by Ali_R (edited October 14, 2001).]

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  • scarface1
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    mr. great,

    He had many options here's one:

    1. It is always pakistan's interior minister who is sent to Afghanistan not the foreign minister. Pakistan already sees Afghanistan as a fifth province. He could have annexed Afghanistan to Pakistan and put taleban under his control. Then he would ask to see the proof and tried bin ladin for the crime and yes he does hold the power to do that.

    Mad_Scientist and Ali_R,

    Ali_R performing a useless action would not take anyone out of Islam so be careful of saying something like that.

    We have to first seek for the solution from Islam so is protests a solution from Islam? Of course not. It's a waste of time and energy which could be used by behaving like educated Muslims to convince the people of authority to do something about this situation. No one is going to listen to animals who do not care for anyone else's property.

    IB,

    Most people who support the Taleban think that the Taleban have implemented Islam completely. In reality it's just another emirate and most of these Muslims who no doubt are sincere wouldn't be able to give the criteria that makes up the Islamic state.

    I didn't think the people were on the streets for the Taleban I thought it was the fact that Afghanistan and it's many poor were being attacked without any proof.

    Zakk,

    Bin ladin is only providing fuel for anti-Islamic propaganda. He's making it easier for Muslims to be attacked whether its on the streets of london or in Afghanistan.

    Hollywood,

    Middle eastern leaders allow effigies of bush etc to be burnt and never their own. Musharraf does not have the support even in the army.

    The greatest fardh is the work to reestablish the khilafah.


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  • Taj2001
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    And that too because MQM boycotted the elections.

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  • mAd_ScIeNtIsT
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    Originally posted by Farid:
    mAd_ScIeNtIsT

    "almost exclusively supporters of Jamaat-i-Ulema-i-Islam, a party that has never succeeded in gaining much support except amongst Afghanistanis and some Pathans, in the North-West Frontier Province and in Afghanistani / Pathan dominated areas of Karachi"

    You are absolutely WRONG buddy. The originator of JUI(previously Jamiat-e-Ulama-e-Hind), Mufti Mahmood was the first Chief Minister of NWFP after the first elections of 1970 winning most of the seats in NWFP. His popularity was enormous and the charisma of his personality carried over by his son still most popular in NWFP and Baluchistan. In Sindh, if any political party which is popular after PPP is Fazul-ru-Rehmanís JUI.
    Like I said, the JUI only has broad appeal in the NWFP and little elsewhere.

    And you are wrong buddy. Check the local body election results. After candidates who were PPP members, the Jamaat-i-Islam, not the Jamaat-i-Ulema-i-Islam, won the most positions.

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  • Taj2001
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    >>In Sindh, if any political party which is popular after PPP is Fazul-ru-Rehmanís JUI.

    So you're saying that the sacred land of Latif and peaceful tolerant Sufis supports a Wahabi fundo party????? But how could that be possible? All this time I thought Sindhis were the most liberal and tolerant people in Pakistan??? At least thats what all the Sindhi nationalists say to me.

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  • Farid
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    mAd_ScIeNtIsT

    "almost exclusively supporters of Jamaat-i-Ulema-i-Islam, a party that has never succeeded in gaining much support except amongst Afghanistanis and some Pathans, in the North-West Frontier Province and in Afghanistani / Pathan dominated areas of Karachi"

    You are absolutely WRONG buddy. The originator of JUI(previously Jamiat-e-Ulama-e-Hind), Mufti Mahmood was the first Chief Minister of NWFP after the first elections of 1970 winning most of the seats in NWFP. His popularity was enormous and the charisma of his personality carried over by his son still most popular in NWFP and Baluchistan. In Sindh, if any political party which is popular after PPP is Fazul-ru-Rehmanís JUI.


    FARID


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  • Hollywood
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    Obviously the President is watching whats going on but he has a firm handle on the situation and he can deal with it easily enough,especially since the trouble makers are few and when push comes to shove - a bunch of gutless cowards.

    By the way scarface,you still havent joined the "jihad in afghanistan".Whats the matter?All talk yet no balls?

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  • Zakk
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    I hope this statement serves as confirmation of highly probably guilt ?:taken from http://www.dawn.com

    Powell and other members of the US administration know that when Al-Qaeda promises, it delivers, and the information is what we see not what we hear.

    The storm of airplanes will not be calmed, if it is God's will. The storm will not calm, especially as long as you, the United States and Britain, do not end your support for the Jews in Palestine, lift your embargo from around the Iraqi people, and have left the Arabian peninsula, and stop your support of the Hindus against the Muslims in Kashmir.

    We tell and recommend Muslims in the United States and Britain, and those who reject the American policies, not to take airplanes and not to live in towers and high buildings. May the peace of God, his forgiveness and his blessing be on you. (AFP)

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