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    Assalamualaikum,

    Pakistan kah matlab kyah?

    In the creation of the state of Pakistan many Muslims gave their lives, their wealth their struggles, in the way of the creation of the state of Pakistan but the Muslims who gave their lives in this bloody struggle prior to 1947, didnt give their lives for the creation of a secular, Democratic, Nationalistic state they were promised la illah ha illal lah ie a state based solely on the ruling system of Islam a state which was based upon the khilafah minhajun-naboowah (the Islamic state based upon the state which Muhammed (saw) had established in al-medina), but to the disappointment of all the relatives of the thousands of Muslims who gave their lives for this very cause the promise was never delivered.

    But what followed were leaders who struggled to implement the western man made Democratic system.

    Ayub Khan handed over power to Commander-in-Chief General Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan in March 1969. It was Yahya Khan's aim to restore parliamentary democracy and he set elections for the following year. In the elections, there were two main contenders; Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, leader of Pakistan People's Party (PPP) which towards the end of 1960s had gained huge popular support in the West, and Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's Awami League, which had emerged as the strongest party in Bengal. Election resulted in PPP winning the majority of seats in the West and Rahman's Awami League winning by big margin in the East. Bengal was in population majority and the League claimed it was in a position to dominate the new National Assembly. The two leaders were on a collision course. The dispute led to strikes and Rahman declaring East Bengal a separate state in March 1971. The government of Pakistan was determined to keep the country intact but Awami League was to break away. But it was all over when India declared war on Pakistan on 12th December 1971. Pakistan sustained a major loss and by directly intervening in the conflict, India had supported the creation of the new independent country of Bangladesh.

    And so the division took place between East Pakistan and west Pakistan and became Pakistan and Bangladesh, yet another division between Muslim lands. And so many other leaders came not to fulfil the promise of la illah ha illal lah, but to fulfil the promise of their western masters.

    So we reach the present day today General Parvez Musharaf, are things better today? Is the promise being fulfilled today? NO! the reality today however is that unlike before the leaders cannot just come and say we will implement Democracy , because the Muslims of Pakistan and indeed the Muslims world wide have come to realise the true face of the democratic and all other types of kufr systems.

    In Pakistan since last Ramadan the Muslims awoke one morning to see banners everywhere calling for the very promise that their family members were killed for and died for KHILAFAT WAQT KAH TAKAAZAH HAI Khilafah The need of the time, to their joy there came a party the only party which does not use any kufr means to establish Islam and with a clear and defined method from Islam with a constitution, a party which is ready to take this ummah to its rightful place of dignity and honour the Islamic khilafat system and deliver the long awaited promise of: Pakistan kah matlab kyah lah illah ha illal lah.

    isaabataan min ummati ahraza-huma-Allahu min an-naar, isaabatun taghzu al-hinda, wa isaabatun takunu ma Eesa ibnu Maryam (as)

    Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with Isa ibnu Maryam (as).

    Huwalladhi arsala rasoolahu bil huda wa deenil haq, liyuth hirahu aladeeni kulih wa low karrihal mushrikun.

    We did indeed send our messenger with guidance and the deen of haq that it may dominate over each and every other way of life even though the mushrikeen hate this.

    Muhammed kauser
    (college lecturer)

    #2
    in the words of Ghalib

    dil kay bahlanay ko Ghalib ye khiyal achaa hai

    Islam has no danger from outward, but the intolerance shown by rigid mullahs of Pakistan or Afganistan. And then there are those who search some ahadith from wherever and fit them into their own prophecies.

    thankyou. your article if you have authored yourself, reflects the same mentality as that of some illetrate mullah, as the one in Karachi recently, who was approached by a person whose bakra (lamb, goat etc) which he had bought for the Qurbani got ran over by the passing truck and the wife very thoughtfully sacrificed it before it died and they went to this mullah who said that his qurbani was accepted. (!!)

    Iqbal once said

    teri zamir pah jab tak na ho nazool e kitab
    girah kusha hai na Razi, na saahib e kashaaf

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      #3
      Muhammed Kauser!

      You didn't tell us what that party name was. From the history I know, we never wanted a different country until 1940 23rd March, when had a problem with English government trying to save Turkey as well as the killing of Muslims in Hindu dominant areas. Yes we lost lives, properties and everything else that can be imagined and in 1947, we got the countries we prayed for. From the beginning we need to remember that the biggest enemy was our next door India and they tried their best to cut us into two pieces.

      We had three wars with out neighbor in 1947-48, 1965 and 1971 on the bases of the same reason we fought for Pakistan. But still we are still standing on our feet. I dont know what you are trying to say here but I am sure you looking at the issue very negatively. I must remind you one thing before saying anything else which is pahlay ap apnay girhaban may jhanki ya. You are calling yourself Lecturer but living in England. What have you offered to Pakistan?

      We have one too many enemies. I think we need to give a chance to General P Musharaf as he is doing some good to the country. We know the economy situation all over the world, which is not helping any of the countries but still Pakistan is getting better. I know people in government previously have taken the advantage of abusing their power for selfish purpose but that doesnt mean we will never be able to stand up.

      I am not going against the Defined method from Islam but look what image is been given to Afghanistan and Pakistan can not afford that at this stage. Only if we correct the acts of court system, I am 100% sure every thing else will follow and before we know it we will have the true Islamic system in the country.

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        #4
        GUYZ,...KAUSER IS TOO BUSY HARBOURING HIS VIEWS AND PROPOGATING HIZB-UL-TAHIR AGENDA,...LETS FIRST CHECK TO SEE ,..AND ASK THESE SELF-APPOINTED PROTECTORS OF ISLM,..THE REAL QUESTIONS,..This group uses islam on every twist and turn,..But Its past is questionable,..I posted the ARTICLE for you all,...please read that and ask Kauser the questions....
        LET ME
        QUESTION THE VERY EXISTANCE OF HT and THE
        METHODOLOGY.BECAUSE,..HT BEING THE POLITICAL GROUP HAS
        SHADOWS BEHIND,...WE MUST ADDRESS THOSE FIRST AND THEN
        WE WILL SEE WHAT'S NEXT..

        ****************
        IN YOUR ANSWER,..you have not addressed or indicated
        anything about,..the posted message above...before,..I
        go into deep details with proofs which I have gathered
        will make everyone here wonder,...what HT is and what
        they are,..But Before,.I wanna know what is you
        position on the following Article,..By Dr. Tamimi...I
        am highlighting the main points,..please take your
        time and answer those one by one,..simple and right to
        the point.here is the ARTICLE as follows:
        >
        Hizbut-Tahrir, Reflections on its origin and its
        ideas

        Dr. Azzam S. Tamimi
        >
        Few people know the circumstances that led to the
        emergence of Hizbut-Tahrir (HT). It is believed that
        Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani, a graduate of Al-Azhar
        University in Cairo and an official of the Shari`ah
        Appeal Court in Jerusualem, took the initiative of
        forming the group after a dispute that erupted between
        him and members of the Muslim Bortherhood in Jerusalem
        over some remarks he made about the question of ethics
        and morality at a talk given at the Ikhwan Centre in
        the city. This was the last of a number of talks he
        was invited by the Brotherhood to deliver at their
        centre. His talks were initially impressive but later
        on started stirring disagreement.

        Read the following,....now,..worth thinking,........
        An-Nabahani believed that all existing Islamic
        groups had failed in their mission because unlike the
        Prophet, peace be upon him, they were not successful
        in establishing the Khilafah within thirteen years. He
        pledged that his party would establish the Khilafah
        within thirteen years. The challenge prompted a number
        of his early followers to say that if the Khilafah
        were not established by the set target (roughly the
        mid-sixties) they would leave the group.

        >
        Read the following,..please,..you guyz may get some
        clues.
        In his controversial remarks about ethics and
        morality, An-Nabahani insisted that akhlaq (ethics)
        were irrelevent to the progress of nations. In his
        book, at-takattul al-hizbi,
        he says:
        "In addition to the cultural and social societies, a
        number of societies have been set up to work for the
        accomplishment of a renaissance for the ummah (Muslim
        community) through the promotion of ethics and
        morality. In doing so, they have resorted to
        admonition, guidance, lectures and pamphlets believing
        ethics to be a prerequisite for renaissance. Efforts
        and money have been put into these societies but with
        no avail. The passions of the ummah have been defused
        by these boaring, cheap and repetetive discourses . .
        . Nations are not (judged) by morality or ethics
        but by the faiths they embrace, the ideas they adopt
        and the systems they implement."

        The strategy of the party, as explained in its
        publication mafahim siyasiyah li hizbit-tahrir
        (Political Concepts of the Liberation Party), is to
        restore confidence in the Islamic ideas through
        cultrual and political activities. The cultural
        activity would be through the collective introduction
        of Islamic education to millions of people, discussing
        issues with them, responding to their questions and
        clearing doubts in their minds. This activity is
        supposed to result in preparing the ground for the
        rise of the statesman. The party insists that this
        project does not require centuries or even decades,
        but "should defenitely be accomplished at the hands of
        the same generation that undertakes the responsibility
        of educating the masses."

        The political activity is done through the monitoring
        of events and incidents, and by interpreting these
        events and incidents so as to confirm the correctness
        of Islamic ideas. In this way, the party believes, the
        masses' confidence in Islam will become more profound.
        Hence, the party preoccupied itself, since its
        inception, with explaining to the masses the virtues
        of the Islamic systems and with issuing leaflets and
        releases that analyse global political developments
        and that interpret regional developments on the basis
        of such analysis.

        The founder, Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani, stated that the
        party would go through three distinct stages in order
        to establish the Islamic Khilafah. The first stage is
        the founding one. Potential recruites are educated and
        the level of their awareness is increased. In this way
        the party becomes the school and the society is the
        pupils. It is assumed that all members of the
        community are equal in the lack of awareness and in
        the need for educating.
        The second stage is that of the interaction with the
        ummah. During this stage, the principles of the party
        are explained to the community and the ideas of other
        groups and parties are exposed and proven to be
        wrong.[b] The third stage is that of the coup whereby
        the ummah, through the party, seizes power. No
        power-sharing is permitted and the entire government
        must solely belong to the party. [b]
        To justify its existence, the party sought to
        denounce existing Islamic groups accusing them of
        failure and of hindering the progress of the ummah
        toward the re-establishment of the Khilafah. This
        strategy necessitated the rejection of all activities
        undertaken by these Islamic organizations to serve the
        community. Projects of social welfare, education and
        charity were denounced as obstructing the coming of
        the Khilafah. No organized activity of any form is
        legitimate in the eyes of the party; it is the
        Khalifah who legitimizes such activities.

        Indulgence in futile intellectual arguments is a
        characterizing feature of party enthusiasts. At
        times such arguments may seem impressive, but at other
        times they reveal how ill-informed and how ignorant
        members are. Basic knowledge of the Quran and its
        tafsir (interpretation) is absent, and this led to
        grave mistakes.

        On several issues of well-established facts of fiqh
        (jurisprudence), the party issued fatawa (legal
        opinions) which contradicted the Qur'an, the
        traditions of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and the
        consensus of the scholars of Islam.
        Asked about
        the legal opinion regarding a man who kisses a
        foreign lady, the party's official position on 29 May
        1970
        was expressed as follows:
        The people have generally understood a kiss of a
        lady by a foreign man to be haram (prohibited) because
        it is tied in their mind with desire, a matter of mere
        suspicion. The party believes that a thing does not
        become prohibited just because an intention is
        suspected but on the bases of a legal evidence, and
        therefore a man kissing a foreign lady does not
        violate a prohibition. Since there is no evidence of
        the wahei (revelation) stating specifically that
        kissing is haram, then it cannot be considered so . .
        . However, this does not mean that since it is
        permitted that we encourage the people to do it. There
        are many permissible things which man does not
        necessarily do, especially those things which are
        generally unacceptable to the general public. This is
        similar to sitting in a bar where only alcohol drinks
        are served; although it is permissible to do, it is
        not advisable simply because the people do not accept
        it.

        The party expressed a similar position on the question
        of shaking hands or touching a foreign lady.
        Prominent Muslim scholars in the Muslim world
        criticized H.T. for issuing such misleading fatawa,
        which can only lead to promicuity and zina (adultery).
        Evidently, and along the same line of thinking, the
        party issued several fatawa that permit pornography.

        Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani decided that all forms of
        corporate companies are forbidden and that dealing
        with them is haram too. His position on this matter,
        which is the official position of the party,
        contradicts the position of the sholars of Islam and
        has led to the formulation of another related, but
        more serious fatwa. He extrapolated that corporate
        companies formed by Muslims are haram to deal with,
        whereas those formed by non-Muslims are lawful because
        they are not expected to fulfill the same conditions
        expected by Muslims.
        Consequently, he ordered his
        followers not to deal with any Muslim company, and
        seek instead to deal with a foreign non-Muslim
        competitor.
        For instance, you may fly British
        Airways but not Sudan Air or Royal Jordanian, and you
        may deal with an American real estate agent but not
        with an Egyptian one etc.

        >
        >

        The confused political, intellectual and
        jurisdicial positions of the party compelled the
        majority of Muslims in the areas where the party is
        active to cast doubt on the integrity and sincerity of
        its founders and leaders. The famous fatwa issued by
        the party considered the Palestinian uprising to be a
        plot against the Khilafah and armed struggle against
        the Zionist entity to be a waste of time confirmed the
        suspecions of Muslims.
        The declaration by the
        party that collecting funds for suffering Muslims
        in Bosnia, Palestine, Keshmir and other places of
        calamity is unlawful and unpermitted, and the
        denunciation of Sudan and the leader of its Islamic
        Movement, Hassan Turabi, and the denunciation of
        martyr Abdullah Azzam, who lost his life and two of
        his sons in the struggle against communism in
        Afghanistan, are few of the many examples
        that
        prove beyond doubt that something gravely wrong is
        with the ideas and functions of Hizbut-Tahrir.
        ********************
        M. Kauser,....please enlighten us with your views and
        thoughts,..Read the highlighted TEXT very
        carefully,...please,..Point by point,..answer is
        required,...
        **************************
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        A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

        Comment


          #5
          Originally posted by zawiyaefikr:
          in the words of Ghalib


          "....your article if you have authored yourself, reflects the same mentality as that of some illetrate...."

          "Iqbal once said"

          "teri zamir pah jab tak na ho nazool e kitab
          girah kusha hai na Razi, na saahib e kashaaf"
          "Islam has no danger from outward, but the intolerance shown by rigid mullahs of Pakistan or Afganistan....."

          The 'rigid mullahs' are right at least on this account that Pakistan was created on the basis of Islam.

          The Quaid when he addressing government officials on 11 October 1947, after the creation of Pakistan declared:

          "The creation of a State of our own was means to an end and not the end in itself. The idea was that we should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find freeplay."

          So let there be no doubts about what this means.

          As for your quoting Iqbal, here is a quote on the subject:
          "Bange dara

          "Is raaz ko eik marde farangee ne kiya faash,
          har chand ke dana issay khola nahin karte,
          jamhuriat eik tarz-e-hukumat hai ke jisme,
          bandon ko gina karte hain tola nahin karte."

          "this secret was exposed by the white man,
          that intellectuals do not reveal,
          democracy is a form of a government,
          in which people are counted but not weighed"

          SAMAJDAR KO ISHARA KAAFI HAI

          Comment


            #6
            Kuch nahi, just dump

            Comment


              #7
              Originally posted by honestali:
              Kuch nahi, just dump
              Did you had extrat Hindu Cola today? And did you wash your head with Hindu & Shoulders?
              From your posts it looks like it.

              Comment


                #8
                Can anyone here please tell me what was the RELIGION/faith of each and single 'ruler' of Pakistan from day one??? including Quaid-e-Azam ??? I'd really appreciate this information.

                Bro Abdali, I've seen you quoting (cutn paste) Pakistan constitution, can you provide link if any is available? (you can also PM me if you so wish).

                ------------------
                We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

                Comment


                  #9
                  Originally posted by Changez_like:
                  Can anyone here please tell me what was the RELIGION/faith of each and single 'ruler' of Pakistan from day one??? including Quaid-e-Azam ??? I'd really appreciate this information.

                  Bro Abdali, I've seen you quoting (cutn paste) Pakistan constitution, can you provide link if any is available? (you can also PM me if you so wish).

                  Constitution of Pak. http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/

                  Comment


                    #10
                    AbdulHameedKhan.....

                    No one is denying the fact that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. As a matter of fact the ONLY other state created in the last century on the same principal is Israel.

                    I have problem with how people interpret Islam. Prophet Mohammad swaw, said that ....'every tenet of ignorance is trampled under my feet', but why is that we have nothing but ignorance in our country and that the Mullah's are faning such notions. Re Qaid, let me link him with Iqbal

                    "The creation of a State of our own was means to an end and not the end in itself."
                    Iqbal says

                    Guzr ja aql say aagay ke ye noor
                    chragh e rah hai, manzal nahi hai

                    "The idea was that we should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find freeplay."

                    But it never happened and Iqbal has predicted it as follows

                    wo keh teri deen say jinhain dour ka bhi nahi wastaa
                    wo hain teri deen kay pasbaan teri shaan Jal a Jallahu

                    Yes indeed it was farangai who floated this noble idea of what democracy is and Iqbal did a good job adopting it in a sheyr. As to the end of farangi, Iqbal says

                    ab tera dour bhi aanay kou hai ay fikir e ghayoor
                    kha gai rohay farangi ko hawai e seem o zar

                    The way West is after capatalism, I am amazed how write Iqbal is!!!




                    Comment


                      #11
                      Originally posted by zawiyaefikr:
                      AbdulHameedKhan.....

                      No one is denying the fact that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. As a matter of fact the ONLY other state created in the last century on the same principal is Israel.
                      .....
                      Pakistan was 'created' with the mutual understanding of leaders of two opposite sides whilst 3rd party was in CONTROL.

                      Israel was 'created' against the wishes of the leader/government of Palestine (can anyone elaborate more on Israel??)

                      ------------------
                      We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Salaam,

                        It is very questionable weather the state of Pakistan is actually run by Musharaf or by an external force, even if we look at the economy of Pakistan we see that it is by far an Islamic one, with the introduction of the riba free banking systems and economy many Muslims were duped into believing that Pakistan is actually an Islamic country but the Muslims must realise that why has it taken since 1947 until now to introduce 1 law from Islam, and from the reality and the Quran we can see that on the one hand Musharaf says ban riba in our banks on the other hand he, or rather Pakistan is paying off huge interest loans which it took out knowing full well that it had riba attached to them, so this hypercritical non Islamic behaviour and we should not give credence to a country which is abusing the laws of Islam for its own goals.

                        We must understand that the Islamic economic system does not equate to the capitalist economic system minus riba. Rather the capitalist economic system contradicts Islam both in its fundamentals and details. Fundamentally, the capitalist economic system always concentrates wealth into the hands of a few rich people whether they live in the West or reside in third world countries, whereas Islamic economic system is based upon the distribution of wealth and prohibits the accumulation of wealth amongst a few individuals. It is mentioned in the Quran In order that it may not merely circulate between the wealthy among you. [TMQ al-Hashr:7]. Also in its details the capitalist economic system contradicts Islam such as the free market economy, deregulation, privatisation, price fixing, monopolies, stock exchange, public limited companies, income tax, GST, life insurance, bonds etc. and therefore it is haram upon Muslims to either call for them or to implement them.

                        Muhammed kauser

                        Comment


                          #13

                          Government to deceive the people through devolution plan: Hizb ut-Tahrir

                          Peshawar - (PPI)---In order to deceive the people, the present set up has introduce the power devolution plan and wanted to implement the old system through new faces. This was stated by the Spokesman of the Hizb-Ut-Tahrir in Pakistan, Naveed Butt while addressing a press conference here on Tuesday. He alleged that through this system only power has been transferred from one person to a group of other persons and no change has been made in the basic laws only he added that the implementing authorities have been changed.

                          Talking about the new system he said that the old English rule was first implemented by the Commissioner and now it would be implemented by Nazim, DCO and DPOs etc. Naveed Butt alleged that this devolution plan could neither change the existing Western Democratic system nor it could change the process of the legislation existing in Pakistan according to him which was entirely against the Islamic rules and regulations. He further added that this new set up could neither bring any change in the collective life of the people nor it could change the foreign policy of Pakistan.

                          The Hizb-Ut-Tahrir Spokesman asked the Muslim Ummah and particularly the people of Pakistan to reject this devolution plan and demand for a real Islamic system in the country.

                          Source: PAKISTAN PRESS INTERNATIONAL

                          Comment


                            #14
                            MY QUESTIONS TO KAUSER,
                            PLEASE ANSWER IT TO THE POINT AND WITHOUT DODGING IT...HERE THE QUESTIONS:
                            >
                            1.What was the main Cause/Dispute between Muslim Brotherhood in Jerusalem and Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani Which lead him to form a Hizbul-ul-Tahir,..?
                            >

                            2.Why Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani was never invited at Ikhawan centre by Muslim Brotherhood. what were the disagreements between him and Muslim brotherhood.?
                            >


                            3.As Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani pledged that his party would establish the Khilafah within thirteen years...How come he didn't establish it in 13 years..(1953-1966),..?
                            >

                            4. Why didn't The followers leave the group when it was not established in mid-sixties,..roughly 1966.?
                            >

                            5.What is the stand of HT on,....Ethics and Morality,....as per Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani,..?
                            >


                            6.Do you agree or disagree with HT when it insists that this project does not require centuries or even decades, but "should defenitely be accomplished at the hands of the same generation that undertakes the responsibility of educating the masses."
                            >

                            7. Do you agree or disagree with The founder, Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani, where he stated
                            that of the coup whereby the ummah, through the party, seizes power. No power-sharing is permitted and the entire government must solely belong to the party.
                            >

                            8.Do you want to be a part ,..where the party(HT) sought to denounce existing Islamic groups accusing them of failure and of hindering the progress of the ummah toward the re-establishment of the Khilafah. This strategy necessitated the rejection of all activities undertaken by these Islamic organizations to serve the community. Projects of social welfare, education and charity were denounced as obstructing the coming of the Khilafah. No organized activity of any form is legitimate in the eyes of the party; it is the Khalifah who legitimizes such activities.
                            >

                            9. Is this true that Indulgence in futile intellectual arguments is a characterizing feature of party(HT) enthusiasts. At times such arguments may seem impressive, but at other times they reveal how ill-informed and how ignorant members are. Basic knowledge of the Quran and its tafsir (interpretation) is absent, and this led to grave mistakes.
                            >

                            10. IS THIS TRUE,....On several issues of well-established facts of fiqh (jurisprudence),the party issued fatawa (legal opinions) which contradicted the Qur'an, the traditions of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and the consensus of the scholars of Islam.
                            >

                            11. Do you guyz stand by the FATWA Issued by HT on 29 May 1970 about legal opinion regarding a man who kisses a foreign lady, was expressed as follows:
                            "The people have generally understood a kiss of a lady by a foreign man to be haram (prohibited) because it is tied in their mind with desire, a matter of mere suspicion. The party believes that a thing does not become prohibited just because an intention is suspected but on the bases of a legal evidence, and therefore a man kissing a foreign lady does not violate a prohibition."
                            Since there is no evidence of the wahei (revelation) stating specifically that kissing is haram, then it cannot be considered so . . . However, this does not mean that since it is permitted that we encourage the people to do it. There are many permissible things which man does not necessarily do, especially those things which are generally unacceptable to the general public. This is similar to sitting in a bar where only alcohol drinks are served; although it is permissible to do, it is not advisable simply because the people do not accept it.
                            >

                            12.The party expressed a similar position on the question of shaking hands or touching a foreign lady.[b] Prominent Muslim scholars in the Muslim world criticized H.T. for issuing such misleading fatawa, which can only lead to promicuity and zina (adultery). Evidently, and along the same line of thinking, the party issued several fatawa that permit pornography.
                            >

                            13. Do you guyz share the same belief as Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani decided that "All forms of corporate companies are forbidden and that dealing with them is haram too. "His position on this matter, which is the official position of the party, contradicts the position of the sholars of Islam and has led to the formulation of another related, but more serious fatwa.
                            "He extrapolated that corporate companies formed by Muslims are haram to deal with, whereas those formed by non-Muslims are lawful because they are not expected to fulfill the same conditions expected by Muslims . Consequently, he ordered his followers not to deal with any Muslim company, and seek instead to deal with a foreign non-Muslim competitor ". [/b ]
                            >

                            14. IS THIS TRUE OR FALSE,...[b]The confused political, intellectual and jurisdicial positions of the party compelled the majority of Muslims in the areas where the party is active to cast doubt on the integrity and sincerity of its founders and leaders. The famous fatwa issued by the party considered the" Palestinian uprising to be a plot against the Khilafah and armed struggle against the Zionist entity to be a waste of time".
                            Confirmed the suspecions of Muslims. The declaration by the party that "collecting funds for suffering Muslims in Bosnia, Palestine, Keshmir and other places of calamity is unlawful and unpermitted", and the "denunciation of Sudan and the leader of its Islamic Movement, Hassan Turabi, and the denunciation of martyr Abdullah Azzam, who lost his life and two of his sons in the struggle against communism in Afghanistan",
                            >

                            15. Why HT in 1978 asked Qaddaafi - we want you to
                            help us to establish Khilaafah.
                            >

                            16.Isn't it true they called KHOMEINI to rule the
                            Khilaafah with the Book and the Sunnah!!! Does
                            Khomeini accept the Book and the Sunnah....
                            Are they joking. Why don't they call Clinton and ask
                            him the same.!!
                            >


                            17.What does HT thinks about SADDAM HUSSAIN,...Why HT thinks he is defender pf ARAB worlds etc,..Please
                            explain in detail....?

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                              #15
                              Salaam,

                              .What was the main Cause/Dispute between Muslim Brotherhood in Jerusalem and Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani Which lead him to form a Hizbul-ul-Tahir,..?

                              The correct method
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                              2.Why Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani was never invited at Ikhawan centre by Muslim Brotherhood. what were the disagreements between him and Muslim brotherhood.?
                              >
                              The correct method

                              3.As Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani pledged that his party would establish the Khilafah within thirteen years...How come he didn't establish it in 13 years..(1953-1966),..?
                              When did he say this is absurd wake up to the truth my friend.

                              >
                              4. Why didn't The followers leave the group when it was not established in mid-sixties,..roughly 1966.?

                              This was never a condition

                              >
                              5.What is the stand of HT on,....Ethics and Morality,....as per Sheikh Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani,..?
                              >
                              This is to do with Individuals and not Islamic political groups.


                              6.Do you agree or disagree with HT when it insists that this project does not require centuries or even decades, but "should defenitely be accomplished at the hands of the same generation that undertakes the responsibility of educating the masses."
                              This is not what the hizb says, hizb says victory is from Allah and we must fulfil our obligations.

                              >
                              7. Do you agree or disagree with The founder, Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani, where he stated
                              that of the coup whereby the ummah, through the party, seizes power. No power-sharing is permitted and the entire government must solely belong to the party.
                              Incorrect again, the government is ruled by Islam and does not belong to the party just shows how much you know about the hizb please be careful it seems that you dont know anything yet you slander
                              >
                              8.Do you want to be a part ,..where the party(HT) sought to denounce existing Islamic groups accusing them of failure and of hindering the progress of the ummah toward the re-establishment of the Khilafah. This strategy necessitated the rejection of all activities undertaken by these Islamic organizations to serve the community. Projects of social welfare, education and charity were denounced as obstructing the coming of the Khilafah. No organized activity of any form is legitimate in the eyes of the party; it is the Khalifah who legitimizes such activities.

                              The khilafah is the only solution for mankind
                              >
                              9. Is this true that Indulgence in futile intellectual arguments is a characterizing feature of party(HT) enthusiasts. At times such arguments may seem impressive, but at other times they reveal how ill-informed and how ignorant members are. Basic knowledge of the Quran and its tafsir (interpretation) is absent, and this led to grave mistakes.
                              >
                              No! but this defiantly applies to you.

                              10. IS THIS TRUE,....On several issues of well-established facts of fiqh (jurisprudence),the party issued fatawa (legal opinions) which contradicted the Qur'an, the traditions of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and the consensus of the scholars of Islam.

                              Provide proof from hizb sources not external
                              >
                              11. Do you guyz stand by the FATWA Issued by HT on 29 May 1970 about legal opinion regarding a man who kisses a foreign lady, was expressed as follows:
                              "The people have generally understood a kiss of a lady by a foreign man to be haram (prohibited) because it is tied in their mind with desire, a matter of mere suspicion. The party believes that a thing does not become prohibited just because an intention is suspected but on the bases of a legal evidence, and therefore a man kissing a foreign lady does not violate a prohibition."
                              Since there is no evidence of the wahei (revelation) stating specifically that kissing is haram, then it cannot be considered so . . . However, this does not
                              Fabricated

                              mean that since it is permitted that we encourage the people to do it. There are many permissible things which man does not necessarily do, especially those things which are generally unacceptable to the general public. This is similar to sitting in a bar where only alcohol drinks are served; although it is permissible to do, it is not advisable simply because the people do not accept it.

                              Fear Allah!
                              >
                              12.The party expressed a similar position on the question of shaking hands or touching a foreign lady. Prominent Muslim scholars in the Muslim world criticized H.T. for issuing such misleading fatawa, which can only lead to promicuity and zina (adultery). Evidently, and along the same line of thinking, the party issued several fatawa that permit pornography.

                              Learn about Islam and fulfil you obligation.
                              >
                              [b]13. Do you guyz share the same belief as Taqiyuddin An-Nabahani decided that "All forms of corporate companies are forbidden and that dealing with them is haram too. "His position on this matter, which is the official position of the party, contradicts the position of the sholars of Islam and has led to the formulation of another related, but more serious fatwa.
                              "He extrapolated that corporate companies formed by Muslims are haram to deal with, whereas those formed by non-Muslims are lawful because they are not expected to fulfill the same conditions expected by Muslims . Consequently, he ordered his followers not to deal with any Muslim company, and seek instead to deal with a foreign non-Muslim competitor ". [/b ]


                              >
                              14. IS THIS TRUE OR FALSE,...The confused political, intellectual and jurisdicial positions of the party compelled the majority of Muslims in the areas where the party is active to cast doubt on the integrity and sincerity of its founders and leaders. The famous fatwa issued by the party considered the" Palestinian uprising to be a plot against the Khilafah and armed struggle against the Zionist entity to be a waste of time".
                              Confirmed the suspecions of Muslims. The declaration by the party that "collecting funds for suffering Muslims in Bosnia, Palestine, Keshmir and other places of calamity is unlawful and unpermitted", and the "denunciation of Sudan and the leader of its Islamic Movement, Hassan Turabi, and the denunciation of martyr Abdullah Azzam, who lost his life and two of his sons in the struggle against communism in Afghanistan",
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                              [b]15. Why HT in 1978 asked Qaddaafi - we want you to
                              help us to establish Khilaafah.

                              Wake up
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                              16.Isn't it true they called KHOMEINI to rule the
                              Khilaafah with the Book and the Sunnah!!! Does
                              Khomeini accept the Book and the Sunnah....
                              Are they joking. Why don't they call Clinton and ask
                              him the same.!!
                              >
                              you make me puke

                              17.What does HT thinks about SADDAM HUSSAIN,...Why HT thinks he is defender pf ARAB worlds etc,..Please
                              explain in detail....?

                              I think he is a kafir


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