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    will you dare to say that pakistan is a succesfull state .... and with the current crises .. is it possible for pakistan to remain united ....
    He was a self made man who owed his lack of success to nobody.
    - Author on Cargill in 'Catch 22'

    #2
    Originally posted by maihu_don:
    will you dare to say that pakistan is a succesfull state .... and with the current crises .. is it possible for pakistan to remain united ....
    Don,
    If you remotely look like the guppie ICON you have,...then I'll advise you to see the Doc,...
    you need medical Help.

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      #3
      Originally posted by maihu_don:
      will you dare to say that pakistan is a succesfull state .... and with the current crises .. is it possible for pakistan to remain united ....
      Not a successfull state yet but there's a great potential. The way Pakistanis work hard when they are in foriegn countries, if they would have the incentive and freedom to do the same at home, Pakistan can flourish very quickly. But separate the religion from the government.

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        #4
        Originally posted by maihu_don:
        will you dare to say that pakistan is a succesfull state .... and with the current crises .. is it possible for pakistan to remain united ....
        Yes if I take the fact into account Pak started from scratch with no money, no govt. no infastructure of any kind. No schools, universities, teachers, doctors, army, police and I can go on and on and the list is endless. Given the fact Pak has not done bad but lot more needs to be done.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Abdali:
          Yes if I take the fact into account Pak started from scratch with no money, no govt. no infastructure of any kind. No schools, universities, teachers, doctors, army, police and I can go on and on and the list is endless. Given the fact Pak has not done bad but lot more needs to be done.

          Pakistan got the most fertile part of Punjab and one of the best canal system, actually English spend more money in West Punjab than on any other state in India. It had per capita as many universites and schools India. A good road system Grand Trunk road crossed Pakistan from Peshwar to Lahore and then to Amirtsar. In fact it had more resources than India.

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            #6
            Pakistan got fertile land....but with no money to start up. And West Punjab wasnt the only part. India had a lot of money spent on it as well, and no doubt, indias road system and the system of checks and balances was all inherited from the outgoing british govt. Pakistan had to start a government from scratch...there was no infrastructure to speak of. Pakistan got a very small percentage of the cash that was divided between india and pakistan.

            To say that Pakistan had more resources than India at partition is almost laughable.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Rani:

              Pakistan got the most fertile part of Punjab and one of the best canal system, actually English spend more money in West Punjab than on any other state in India. It had per capita as many universites and schools India. A good road system Grand Trunk road crossed Pakistan from Peshwar to Lahore and then to Amirtsar. In fact it had more resources than India.

              I am not going to get into pissing contest with an Indian graduate from Indian school of history. But if you are interested there is a list of what Pak inherited compared to India. It starts from a pen to ships and trains and you name it. Its better you stick to your history coz you may not like what you find.

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                #8
                pakistan has good lands and much less poverty
                to beging with . too much defense spending corruption and lack of commitment to family planning putting the country in a diadvantaged position.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Akif:
                  To say that Pakistan had more resources than India at partition is almost laughable.

                  I will declare this the joke of this week Read Indian history books for more jokes.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by rvikz:
                    pakistan has good lands and much less poverty
                    to beging with . too much defense spending corruption and lack of commitment to family planning putting the country in a diadvantaged position.
                    Too much defence spending is common in both India and Pakistan. Still, Pakistan has managed to control its spending, as it evident on the defence freeze for the past couple of years. Whereas Indias defence budget has gone up more than 30% this year alone. Now if this forces Pakistan to do the same, its not our fault.

                    Population control, corruption and extravagant defense spending have been consistently common between Pakistan and India. However, India had a lot of revenue and hardware to start up with. Pakistan had to borrow and build. Based on that, what Pakistan has achieved in 54 years is better than what many other countries have achieved on a proportional basis.

                    Pakistan may not be a successful state as yet...but is certainly on the right path at this time.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Akif:
                      Too much defence spending is common in both India and Pakistan. Still, Pakistan has managed to control its spending, as it evident on the defence freeze for the past couple of years. Whereas Indias defence budget has gone up more than 30% this year alone. Now if this forces Pakistan to do the same, its not our fault.

                      Population control, corruption and extravagant defense spending have been consistently common between Pakistan and India. However, India had a lot of revenue and hardware to start up with. Pakistan had to borrow and build. Based on that, what Pakistan has achieved in 54 years is better than what many other countries have achieved on a proportional basis.

                      Pakistan may not be a successful state as yet...but is certainly on the right path at this time.

                      Let me add a touch of reality to that.
                      The following information is extracted from the Commonwealth Institute's Annual Economic Report for Dominions and Common Wealth Nations for the year 1948.

                      Lets see:

                      1948:

                      Civil Services get paid in March 1948 (7 months after the creation of Pakistan) as the Nizam of Hyderabad gifts Pakistan the sum required to the meet the commitments. But far less then what is required.

                      Pakistan awaits the payment of its share from the All India Treasury to pay for arrangements for the refugees and rehousing of a fifth of its population. (Still waiting for that money actually (hey Indian's where is it)).

                      Pakistan has one "non-operational" telling branch in Karachi as a Bank without any equipment. (the only one in Pakistan after Partition).

                      Pakistan railways does not get its "allotted" carriages and engines from the Indians, and has to resort to using "canabalised" engines after nominal repairs.

                      Pakistan's capital does not have a High Court, public prosecuter's office or an office for its capital's police HQ. ( Its funny but Karachi, the capital city of Pakistan had the same person function as the SP Police for the Capital, Public Prosecutor and Judge. He did not get paid for 7 months, while his children worked odd jobs. At the end, he did not accept his pay as the budget was not covered by the grant from the Nizam and other wealthy patrons).

                      Pakistan requires 78% of its budget to be met using foriegn assistance.

                      "Total GDP" of Pakistan stands less than its civil services committments.
                      Hence, revenue collection to services committments stands at an adverse ration of 1:9 (i.e Pakistan has to borrow 8 times its tax collection just to pay its civil servants).(May Allah rest the sole of the Rulers of Hyderabad Deccan for aiding us).

                      Karachi port fascilities are in operable as all the required vessels have sailed for Bombay to be allocated to Pakistan at a later date. (still waiting for that).

                      The total number of graduate institutions in Karachi (Pakistan's capital and largest city) stand at 2.

                      The percentage of population considered being able to write its name is 3.5%

                      The number of graduates stands at only 13% of the "literate" population.

                      The number of universities in Pakistan equals 2.

                      The number of civil hospitals catering for urban population = 11.
                      Rural population = 0.

                      Industrial output below 5% of GDP with relliance upon Jute and Paper mills. (with the exception of one paper mill, all the rest were in East Pakistan).


                      Lets compare that with India.

                      1947.

                      Treasury inherits an amount equivalent to 4 times its annual civil services committments while revenue collection stands at a ratio of (in favour) 3.8:1

                      With-holds sums to be paid to Karachi (pakistan) on "adminitrative" grounds, assures release within a few months. (as I said .....still waiting).

                      Educational Institutions offering graduate education and above = 23.

                      Number of Financial Institutions with a lending protfolio of a class D bank. (able to offer insurance as well as banking fascilities with an association to Lloyds of London) = 39.

                      Considered to be the 3rd most Industrialised nation in the Commonwealth.

                      Percentage of population able to read and write just under 20%.
                      Of which graduate calibre 30%.

                      Adequate judiciary in all but 4 states.

                      Railways yet to release "moving assets" alloted to Pakistan, asurances for delivery with the year. (once again ....still waiting).

                      Second Largest Steel producing nation in the Common wealth.

                      India inherits 4 working ports out of which 2 have standing trade agreements passed on by the Empire.

                      Vessels allotted to Pakistan are awaiting release. (Guess what.... ... they never arrived).


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                      I could go on for you if you want. For anyone interested, the Common wealth institute keeps these in its archives and are avaiable for public viewing with appointment.


                      Just to top it up the UNDP index of India in 1948 was 17 and its well above 100 now.

                      Paks UNDP index in 1948 was 44 and its close to India now.


                      [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited August 24, 2001).]

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by IndOZ:
                        You wanted Pakistan and you got it. Now you are complaining that you didn't get enough with land its a classic case of "once a beggar always a beggar"
                        Look whos talking..... ha ha haaaaaaaa

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                          #13
                          Mr. Don what exactly are you trying to say as to me it makes no sense whatsoever.

                          Mr. Abdali that is extremely interesting information, thanks alot for bring it to our attention.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by IB:
                            Mr. Don what exactly are you trying to say as to me it makes no sense whatsoever.

                            Mr. Abdali that is extremely interesting information, thanks alot for bring it to our attention.
                            IB u welcome!! Its the tip of the iceberge..
                            P.S. info. was obtained by one of our Pakistani brother by the name of Afridi.


                            [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited August 25, 2001).]

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                              #15
                              Abdali, thankx for info,

                              this will open the eyes of indians who think that they were very gernereuos in distributing funds at the time of independence.

                              Inshallah pakistan will survive the recent crisis and I hope government will take step to seperate the administration from religion.

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                              "Away from Eyes......Close to Heart"

                              [This message has been edited by Insaaniat (edited August 25, 2001).]

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