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    The Other Side of Musharraf Card



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    It was just when things were finally beginning to look up for Musharraf that Vajpayee was handed a note by his Private Secretary Ajay Bisaria detailing the telecast of the General's tirade before the editors. Vajpayee wasn't impressed. He later told his guest that such brazen endorsement of terrorism-jehadis in Kashmir being the answer to the Mukti Bahini in East Pakistan-was unacceptable. If these are your views, Vajpayee said, we may as well end the whole show here. But Musharraf was unfazed. These are my known views, he replied. In any case, the point is to move forward. He suggested a grand signing ceremony to cement a deal.


    The General was being wildly optimistic. The moment for a settlement had passed. As Musharraf retired to Amar Vilas for an Avadhi lunch, followed by two cigars in nervous succession, the Indian cabinet ministers decided that it was just not worth persevering with a man who had violated all diplomatic norms. "He is a split personality", said a minister. Advani too was harsh and the others concurred. "After the editor's meeting, we switched off. What followed was a meaningless ritual," said a cabinet minister.

    http://www.india-today.com/itoday/20010730/cover.shtml
    http://www.india-today.com/itoday/20010730/cover2.shtml
    http://www.india-today.com/itoday/20010730/cover3.shtml



    #2
    it's an old saying that a poor loser always looks for excuses. Anyways, the aforesaid Kids story doesn't have any good reason for us to grant an excuse to the indians and to her leaders. come up with another one.

    (as I said some time ago, stop reading the hindian newpapers, they take away from indian people common sense and the ability for valid reasoning. Thanks to the internet, there are better choices like Pakistani, chinese or other sources available to the people of the state of hindia, take advantage of them, learn and explore the world as it is, instead of living in just a dream world. Just a meek advice).

    take it easy.
    There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the end the sword will always be conquered by the spirit. --Napoleon Bonaparte

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      #3
      This reminds me of FIR a process in our judicial system both in India and Pak. Its First Infomation report as its name implies is extremly important to get to the root.

      Indians have already filed their FIR right during Mushrrafs visit now what we have and will have is ranting and ravings and BSing.
      Good luck suckers its too late now.

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        #4
        Interesting articles, thanks for posting them. I agree with the analysis..I don't think there will be any future Indo Pak meets for a long time to come..Mushy got the chance and he blew it..

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          #5
          Finally Musharraf has succeeded in associating himself with Kashmir in Pakistan. This is the highest insurance policy he could make for his chair.
          In his press conference in Pakistan after the summit he was very irritated if someone mentioned any of his predecessors record, especially of those elected democratically.

          Mussharraf has won in Pakistan. Is it a victory for Pakistan?


          Musharraf not serious about peace: Vajpayee http://www.dawn.com/2001/07/29/top3.htm

          Finally, Vajpayee hits out at Musharraf http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a..._id=1207698083


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            #6
            SKV,
            Remember onething man,..In India,..vajpayee or his BJP will need votes from the people,...if they don't do such an acts and propoganda,...then no one will be electing them in future,...therefore,...Insetad of becoming the victim of Media's propoganda,..we must think and look at the big picture.Media needs some thing to sell their papers,..their spicy headlines and flowery explainations means nothing.Unless both countries solve their age old issues.
            It doesn't matter who was MACHO-MAN,..or who ws not.
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            A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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              #7
              ********FOR EVERYONE HERE,..WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS*******************
              For once, if we decide to put the meaningless hostilities aside, we will find that we have so much in common, we have so much of love and affection between the peoples (leaving aside a few fanatics on both sides), that if we join hands, we can do wonders together and people of both the countries will be more happy and prosperous.
              A friendly and co-operative Canada with US as big brother, has prospered and benefitted from US, there is not even a single soldier on US-Canada border, can't we replicate the model here? We need Everyones response, and a positive response. Clergies, Politicians and Generals will never be able to solve the people's problems. Hence it is the people who have to take initiative.

              As it is joked around (it could be true also) that Saddam Hussein is the star salesman for US armaments Industry, because everytime he makes some hostile moves and noises, US gets billions of dollars worth orders from Middle east!
              Do India and Pakistan too want to be promoting arms sales for vested interests?

              If Germanys can reunite,Koreas can start talks, US can make peace with one time sworn enemies like USSR, China and Vietnam, Israelis and Palestinians can talk peace, England can overcome Irish problem, why cant we? Who knows what future holds for us? It is nave to dismiss any possibility as impossible or difficult to day. Lets start somewhere. Lets start trade, exchange of people, free cultural exchange, films trade etc. everything else will automatically get sorted out with time.


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              A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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                #8
                Musharraf knows well that he cannot solve the core problems Pakistan is facing as a nation.

                Hence a portrait figure as de facto Messiah of Kashmir may help him to retain power for time to come.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by skv anand:
                  Musharraf knows well that he cannot solve the core problems Pakistan is facing as a nation.

                  Hence a portrait figure as de facto Messiah of Kashmir may help him to retain power for time to come.
                  I think same holds true for Vajpayee, as government in India changes more frequently than people change their shoes. Vajpayee attempted to keep government longer enough so people can change shoe without a change in government.

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                  We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

                  [This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited July 31, 2001).]

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                    #10
                    During Summit he was reluctant to mentioning of 'cross border terrorism'.

                    http://www.dawn.com/2001/08/02/top2.htm

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by skv anand:
                      During Summit he was reluctant to mentioning of 'cross border terrorism'.

                      http://www.dawn.com/2001/08/02/top2.htm
                      Even for a moment Vajpayee never had enough courage to stand up to Musharraf and discuss what was on his summit agenda. No wonder he is desperately trying to find a way out of plotics after all the humilliation he put up with.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by skv anand:
                        During Summit he was reluctant to mentioning of 'cross border terrorism'.

                        http://www.dawn.com/2001/08/02/top2.htm
                        They are freedom fighters, end of discussion..


                        You can call em what ever you want its not gona change any thing. just like mujhdeen were freedom fighters when they were shafting your EX USSR masters.

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                          #13
                          Even for a moment Vajpayee never had enough courage to stand up to Musharraf and discuss what was on his summit agenda. No wonder he is desperately trying to find a way out of plotics after all the humilliation he put up with.

                          The Indian newspapers are calling Musharraf the clear victor at Agra. So are the American, British, Chinese and Asian papers. Is it any wonder that Vajpaiyee was offering his resignation the other day?

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                            #14
                            Skv Anand,

                            Excerpt taken from the last link in your first post.

                            "He (Musharraf) called on Vajpayee at 10.20 p.m. and pleaded with him to reconsider one last time. But, unlike Simla, Indian generosity wasn't on offer. Vajpayee told him firmly this was no way to conduct diplomacy and that the editors' meeting was the last straw. The meeting stretched on with a desperate Musharraf arguing with an exasperated Vajpayee for a press conference."

                            Do you think Vajpaee is an idiot? Why he expected that a military comando would behave like an expert international diplomat? In my post "That Visit Should Not Have Taken Place" I clearly asked you guys why a damocratic PM was interested to invite a dictator who came to power through force and back door robbing the rights of damocracy from their own people would be sincere in good relation with India?

                            In a way your goverment was also involved in back stabbing poor people of Pakistan by inviting a dictator and giving him the honour though he was elected by people of Pakistan. Shame on You Indians!

                            FARID

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                              #15
                              Musharraf was given a chance to meet his old lady housemaid, now 90, at the entrance of his ancestral home. She talked to him appr for one minute. Most probably he asked her to talk about Kashmir.

                              He came as a rigid child, did not get his toy, and left as a rigid child.
                              And they call it a victorious saga.

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