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    who would you blame for the summit failure?

    well friends i'd like to be as balanced as possible in my views but i feel india has to be blamed for the talks failure .indians are not calling it a failure because if it is called a failure then perhaps there will be a call for a third party mediation so india will not call it a failure .but we all are wise people here and we all know that the summit was a failure .
    1. india knew very well that mr pervez musharraff before comming to india is various press briefs in pak and clearly stated that he is going to india to talk about kashmir .and he said said a number of times that kashmir was a core issue

    2. mr l.k advani on the first day of the visit brought out the issue of "dawood ibrahim " which was uncalled for and it was a delibrate provocation from the indian side

    3.india was never sincere as far as kashmir issue was concerned india just wanted to beat arounnd the bush and say that we have disccussed all the issues there by diverting mr musharraff's as well as the rest of the international communities attention against kashmir and wanted to push the kashmir issue under carpet

    4.ms sushma swaraj's statement was also a delibrate attempt to push the kashmir issue under carpet to which mr musharraff took objection rightly.


    5.all that sight seeing and the neharwali haveli and the taj mahal tour was arranged by the indian authorities to distract or to mellow down mr musharaff into these minor issues but iam proud that pakistan today has a head of state who has a firm head on his shoulders .

    6. the issue of cross border terrorism as india calls it was delibrately and quite unessarily raised on behest of mr l.k advani who is a known hawk on the indian side the indians knew very well that pakistan will never accept this word terrorism

    7.the indian media doordarshan and zee tv (with the exeption of star news ) were right from the start hellbend on sabotaging the summit the type of guest zee tv was inviting people like mr narendra modi of bjp who is a know pak and muslim baiter on the show again and again and the type of language zee was using was deplorable and the had made thier intentions very clear that the zee boss mr subhash chandra who is close to bjp was not in favor of these talks
    so the conclusion according to me is that it was india who was responsible for the failure of these talks and iam glad the mr musharraff showed firm resolution in his convictions and at moments also showed that he was ready to make some concessions too but for the hawkish indian govt who never seem to be sincere towards bringing peace in kashmir and south asia


    #2
    These are some of the news excerpts taken from the following site,,..
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    > http://indiabroad.rediff.com/news/20.../16inpak35.htm
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    Needless secrecy by the Vajpayee government over
    the failure of its talks with Pakistan President
    General Pervez Musharraf has brought to the fore
    its public relations disaster for which it will have to
    account for.

    Even as General Musharraf headed for Islamabad
    after bidding Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee
    adieu, as their last-ditch two-hour meeting at 10:00
    pm (IST) failed to break the deadlock over the Kashmir issue, ministry of
    external affairs spokeswoman Nirupama Rao caused further disappointment
    by reading out a brief and terse message on the government's behalf.

    She said, "I am disappointed to inform you, ladies and gentlemen of the
    press that although the commencement of a process and the beginning of a
    journey has taken place, the destination of an agreed joint statement (with
    Pakistan) has not been reached."

    Even as visibly-upset reporters bombarded her with questions as why the
    government had acted so secretively on the talks which had virtually
    collapsed on the inability of the two leaders to find a way out on the thorny
    Kashmir issue, Rao said that a press conference 'at a senior level would be
    held' on Tuesday where 'all your questions would be answered'.
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    KABIR,
    I agree with you dost,...India didn't realise the whole situation,..but Time will tell us whats next.
    Indian democracy is questionable now,...BIG QUESTION IS,...What do they mean DEMOCRACY,...?
    Or if they believe in it,...?
    Well some of these questions will be raised more frequently now.
    Atleast Pakistan tried in its good faith.India can't blame Pakistan for it now.
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    A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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      #3
      KABIR,
      You have summed up every thing in 7 steps,..Which is a good clue for those who wanna see the real face,...and who is to blame.Some our fellow friends are trying to put different face on this summit.But even they know in their heart they are just using baseless facts and truths.
      I hope everyone knows who they are,......
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      A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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        #4
        Why do you treat this summit as a failure? Yes, it did not match the expectations of the general public, but isn't it obvious? The difference in opinion which has persisted over 53 years cannot be washed away with 48 hours of discussion. A declaration is effective when both the parties subscribe and adhere to it. Going by the totally divergent views of India and Pakistan, it will take quite some time to reach a mutually agreeable solution.

        However, two adversaries have talked, developed a personal rapport and understood each other's position is indeed an achievement. This would be the foundation stone of the future discussions. Herein lies the success of the Agra Summit.

        Whether you want to see the glass half empty or half full depends on your attitude.

        Agra Summit is not a Kargil war or something. So blaming one another for failure will not help in achieving the long term objectives. Let us keep away the blame game at least in this case.

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          #5
          You may be right it might take some time to find common grounds but you must also remember this is not the first summit there were many before. As for the failure depends how you look at it Chinas Peoples Daily have sqaurly put the blame on India. Lets see what other papers say.


          [This message has been edited by sabah (edited July 17, 2001).]

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            #6
            India under the Hindutva government and mindset is still a long way from coming to any deal with Pakistan and addressing the important issues. We have to bear in mind that for them the important thing is to establish themselves as a global power. Pakistan, Afghanistan etc are a painful reminder of Moghul rule and it is the need that Indians feel to balance history which will see them try and scupper any peace negotiations.

            This can be seen in efforts to re-write history, appointing a ranting Hindutvan as Minister of Sport (Uma Bharti) and the demolition of Babri masjid, quickly followed by the proposed erection of a statue of Shivaji in front of the Red Fort.

            India and her citizens will need to work out it's complexes for any progress to be made.

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              #7
              India and her citizens will need to work out it's complexes for any progress to be made.

              You have it all wrong. India believes Pakistan has already got their fair share and they are not willing to give anything any more. It is good to have peace but not at the cost of national interest.


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                #8
                The Agra summit has finally made one thing clear - that the maximum 'concessions' that India can make on the Kashmir issue do not meet Pakistan's 'minimum' requirements for a settlement of that dispute.
                http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/tal...00/1442213.stm

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                  #9
                  It was indian. even the western reporter who hate to admit that it is indian has accepted that indian failed this summit.


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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rani:
                    India and her citizens will need to work out it's complexes for any progress to be made.

                    You have it all wrong. India believes Pakistan has already got their fair share and they are not willing to give anything any more. It is good to have peace but not at the cost of national interest.

                    (just read the bold)
                    Thank you for talking on Pakistan's behalf.
                    true, Pakistan won't give an inch to indostan.

                    [This message has been edited by PureLand (edited July 17, 2001).]
                    There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the end the sword will always be conquered by the spirit. --Napoleon Bonaparte

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Abdali:
                      You may be right it might take some time to find common grounds but you must also remember this is not the first summit there were many before. As for the failure depends how you look at it Chinas Peoples Daily have sqaurly put the blame on India. Lets see what other papers say.



                      [This message has been edited by sabah (edited July 17, 2001).]
                      Abdali,
                      you are too tough on these Indian friends yaar,...They can't handle the truth,....Therefore,..give them a chance to cover up everything before they start 2nd round of discussions......

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                      A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by TARIQ786USA:
                        Originally posted by Abdali:
                        You may be right it might take some time to find common grounds but you must also remember this is not the first summit there were many before. As for the failure depends how you look at it Chinas Peoples Daily have sqaurly put the blame on India. Lets see what other papers say.



                        [This message has been edited by sabah (edited July 17, 2001).]
                        Abdali,
                        you are too tough on these Indian friends yaar,...They can't handle the truth,....Therefore,..give them a chance to cover up everything before they start 2nd round of discussions......

                        They have lost the this round for sure, pick up any news paper and read. Now what they put out in their news papers few days after the summit is irrelevant. (FIR) First information report only counts.

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                          #13
                          It is safe for India to out of the friendship of pakistan and afghanistan, but India does not want to small amount of their brothers and sister who are in pakistan to become more criminals ie why Indian PM wanted to peace and extended hand but pak peoples like cruel dogs try to eat hole PM hand insted of meat provided. The people with good friendship will be harmonies. but if same good man join robers gang they will also one day become robers so pakistan situation is like that. Though kashmir people want to join Pakistan but Indian does not want good people,harmless people to become drug smuglers or cruel criminals.

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                            #14
                            ganesh, so you are admitting that the people of Kashmir want to join Pakistan. Quite an admission considering your government can't even face up to that reality.

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