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    HI all....i am at work and am unable to read all of the posts..but I have one thought...when GOD "appointed" ADAM as his Khalifah for Earth...all the majority, which was a majority of ANGELS objected...despite this GOD "selected" his leader on the merit of KNOWLEDGE...god took knowledge over election...

    It is quite clear that even "if" Democracy exists in ISLAM, it cannot be used to elect a leader...especially when that leader is going to be the leader of the MUSLIM Nation...reasons are obvious

    OK the question that I would like to ask here is: why after the passing away of the prophet (SAW) did 6/7 people in a room elect who should be "khalifah" of ISLAM when this is a position for which GOD ALMIGHTY himself "selects" and "appoints" an authority...even more so to attend this meeting rather than the burial of the prophet....IT BEGINS TO BECOME CLEARER HOW MUCH MAN LOVES POWER>>>EVEN MORE THE REASON WHY HE SHOULDN'T BE GIVEN IT!<<<

    #2
    Hmm.

    maybe you should read your religion again..
    Only 'Shaitan' objected.. on 'Adam' being the 'selected' person.

    Democracy exists in Islam.. it is fundamental to it.. but the details and form of democracy are different to what is practised in the West.

    The first four Khalifahs were selected by the council (shura) of the sahaba.. (the people of knowledge.. yes) on basis of their ability to lead...

    Having knowledge does not give you wisdom or leadership abilities.. you just have to look at a school's classroom.. the most knowledgeable student may not be the best leader.. if and when both of them combine in one.. you get great leaders.. otherwise you still have leaders who can lead.

    Allah has given us one thing in abundance (unlike the angels who do as they are commanded without question)... the power to reason.. which is required for a leader .. but is not dependent on knowledge (though it helps).

    maybe we should have a system in which we nominate the best person for the job.. and give them time off for job well done.

    I have a question.. if a khalifah dies.. who replaces him.. and how do you find that person.. and how do you qualify for the job?

    a person who is most knowledgeable may be living in the bush but may not be the best person to run a country.. would not know 'A' from 'Z' on how to run a country..

    I will give you a choice..
    a. a general of army.. great warrior.. commands respect of his soldiers.. master tactician..
    b. a scholar .. knows about many subjects in details and is an inventor.

    the scholar is more knowledgeable of the two.. but does not know how to run a country.. which one would you chose?

    my answer:
    get the general to run the country with the scholar as his adviser/ vizier ..

    as when a crunch decision has to be made.. the general will make it.. but the vizier may falter..

    See.. it is not having knowledge which is important.. it is using it.. and knowing who can help you in it.

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      #3
      With all due respect, I am here to engage in discussion.. my aim is to learn and listen and suggest..I am not wanting to offend you or any ones belief coz that itself is against my own belief...so sitting at the discussion table....


      Indeed only "Shaitaan objected" to BOW DOWN to ADAM!!!!

      However all the angels objected at first!!! they said you are making him khalifah,,he will cause blood shed!!! The almighty repled "you know not what i know!" but we will have a test...after the test the angels obeyed the Almighty and bowed to Adam as he had proven his QUALITIES FOR THE POST all but Iblis.....

      All the angels on one side i.e. the majority, and ADAMS knowledge on one side...Adam had not yet prayed or kept a roza or anything..but he had KNOWLDEGE....GOD FAVOURED ILM knowledge rather than majority for the post of Khalafat...he has shown you this in the QURAN that khalafat is not something that others can elect for..it is his decision and the testing factor is knowledge..

      what right do we muslims of any era have to elect a KHALIFAH for ISLAM..we our selves are so sinful..we ourselves dont know whats best for us let alone for the islamic nation...this is a position which Mohammad (SAW) had appointed himself from instruction of GOD...

      Tell me how many Prophets were voted by people, was Hazrat Musa's successor elected or selected?! Hazrat Musa an Ullal AZAM prophet himself raised his hands in DUA that God make Haroon his successor...think about that... a prophet himself did not have the right to appoint his successor he had to make Dua that it be his BROTHER!!! if he as a prophet doesn't have the right then how on earth can we!!!

      GOD DOESN"T CHANGE HIS LAWS...thats why i gave the example of ADAM...first Khalifah...Selected...not elected...by whom...GOD!

      I ask you WHY IS IT THAT YOUR FIRST KHALIFAH WAS ELECTED AND THE SECOND APPOINTED BY THE FIRST RATHER THAN ELECTED?!

      I ALSO ASK YOU WHY SAHABI"S OF THE PROPHET SAT DOWN TO ELECT A LEADER RATHER THAN ATTEND THE BURIAL OF THE PROPHET?? NOTHING COULD MORE IMPORTANT THAN ATTENDING HIS BURIAL...

      I ALSO ASK YOU THEN WHY IS IT THE FIRST KHALIFAH UPON BEING ELECTED SAID " I will guide you the way "YOU" want to be guided and if i slip up, please straighten me??!!! he is the leader he should be guiding us...

      This is god's religeon he has chosen leaders for us and will continue to do so...

      THERE MAY BE DEMOCRACY IN ISLAM but to APPOINT A SUCCESSOR OF THE PROPHET...NO WAY!!!

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        #4
        Hmm, you know having one nick is fine.
        You don't need 20 to get your point across.

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        CROIRE A L'INCROYABLE
        You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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          #5
          i promise u brother..this is the first time i have posted anything here..at the end of the day we all want to learn...

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            #6
            hmm..

            last comments on this...

            so who has allah nominated to lead us right now?

            as we are not going to get anymore prophets.. who is it going to be?

            the theory falls apart at this point

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              #7
              We have elections in Islam and we have shura and because of this some people have disgraced Islam and called it democratic without even studying how these things are dealt with in Islam.

              Calling Islam democratic because of this is like saying a sheep has four legs and a table has four legs so a table is a sheep and a sheep is a table.

              Democracy is a system that elects a human being to be sovereign i.e. this human being makes anything Halaal and Haraam for the people.Sovereignty belongs to the people

              In Islam a khalif is elected to rule with Islam and he is not sovereign. Sovereignty belongs to Allah(swt).

              Shura in Islam involves people who can be muslim and non muslim to sit down and discuss, not to make Halaal and Haraam but to discuss where to build hospitals, roads, schools etc. Even after through shura the people decide on a matter the khalif doesn't have to accept it. In fact if the khalif doesn't want a shura council he doesn't have to have one.


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                #8
                good morning all..and especially Black zero..i will try to reply to your post ASAP i have an upgrade to perform on a server..

                the theory does not fall apart at all...

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                  #9
                  Brother let us think about this kewl, kalm and with an open mind. Lets try to find the answer rather than bang our heads¡K

                  Regarding the opinion of our Prophets rightful successor¡Kthis is something the prophet did on the very first day he announced his Prophethood. On the day of ¡§Daavatul Asheera¡¨, where the prophet announced his Prophethood and explained his mission, he said ¡§whom amongst you will help me; he who does will be my VAZEER, MY VASEE, MY Khalifah¡Kat the age of 12 Hazrat Ali tore through the lines of people the way Moses parted and walked through the sea. Hazrat Ali said to the prophet ¡§ I will HELP you, I will break the bones of your enemies¡¨. After which the prophet announced Ali was his deputy and that all obey him!!!

                  Hazrat Ali was chosen as the prophets successor on the day the prophet announced prophet-hood, and Ghadir Khum was a reminder to all. The prophet stopping Fresh Haji¡¦s on a hot day to convey the message which had been revealed to him by god¡K The prophet took Ali to the front¡Kmade a MIMBER raised Ali with both his hands and said ¡§MUNKUNTO MAULA HO FA HADHA ALI YUN MAULA¡¨ ¡Kwhose ever maula I am Ali is his maula¡K

                  On numerous times did the prophet show all that Ali was his Deputy¡K

                  To sit on the mimber in place of the prophet you need many qualities¡Kyou need Knowledge..the prohet said ¡§ana madina tul ilme va aliyun baabo ha¡¨, you need imaan, the prophet in the battle of Khunduq said ¡§ali is kul ka kull Imaan!¡¨, you need to be truthful, the prophet said ¡§the truth walks behind ali, where ever he goes the truth follows him¡¨, you need to be with the quran, the prophet said ¡§ ali is with the quran and the quran with ali¡¨, you need qualities that will remind people of their great prophet, the prophet said ¡§ ali you are from me and I am from you, ali you and I were made from one Noor¡¨, you need to be pure ¡§ the prophet said nobody¡¦s doors will open into the mosque but mine and Ali¡¦s¡¨, and believe me I could carry on all day¡K

                  The concept of leadership after the prophet is simple - find the Imaam of your time¡Knot elect a leader yourself. God will give us a leader in every day and every age¡Kit is only fair if shaitan is misguiding us that we have a leader to guide us¡Kalso the prophet had mentioned that there would be 12 leaders after him prior to Judgmement day.

                  However the answers to the Questions you asked:

                  1: Leader/imaam of islam is selected by god.
                  2: Leader/ Imaam at present is Mohammad Mahdi (AS)

                  I at this stage am including two articles for you to ponder on¡Kthe first regarding LEADERSHIP after the prophet, and the second regarding Imaam Mohammad Mahdi (AS). You will find references, but more so you will find a more logical approach to the problem.

                  PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ


                  Once a person told me that Abu Bakr is more knowledgeable than Prophet
                  Muhammad (PBUH) (Na'oozo Billah)! I asked him how come?! He said because Abu Bakr understood that he should assign a person as his successor to keep the system and community working in order. As it is well-known Abu Bakr assigned Umar as his successor. But the Prophet failed to realize this important task that the Islamic community needs a qualified leader after him, or perhaps it was not important for the prophet that who is going to take over the power after him!

                  When I heard that, I started asking the following question from myself: Is it possible that the Prophet of Islam who has tried hard to implement Islam, and tolerated a lot of problems, disasters, and paid big price to establish Islam in Arabian peninsula, leaves people without assigning any person to keep this religion alive after him?! The religion that is to be the last religion of God for this world; the religion that was supposed to be for every nation all over the world both inwardly and outwardly (political authority). What happened that we Muslims are in this miserable situation in the world for centuries? What happened that the chain of successors/rulers (Ulul-Amr) has reached to people like King Fahd, King Husain, Saddam Husain, Husni Mubarak, ...? Something is terribly wrong!

                  Yes, The problem is leadership and Guardianship. Was this problem not so important for prophet or he didn't take it serious? Of course, he did take it serious and he must have assigned a chain of successors (Caliphs) who where the most qualified as the head of Islamic state and as the guardian of Shari'ah (divine law).

                  Another question that came out to my mind was that: Are Allah and His
                  prophet more qualified to assign the Caliphs, or people? Is Islam on the basis of democracy (government of people over people) or on the basis of theocracy (Kingdom of Allah over the earth)? The history of Islam testifies that the government after the death of prophet was neither democratic nor theocratic. Just a few people gathered in "Saqifah bani Saaedah" and assigned Abu Bakr as Caliph while Imam Ali was busy of the burial of the holy prophet in Medina.

                  Is it our choice as to whom should be a Prophet or it is Allah's choice? Can we select Prophet by Shura? The same goes for assigning the successor of Prophet, for Allah knows best who is the most qualified for this position. It seems very strange that a deputy of a chief is assigned by any person other than him. Deputy of God (or prophet) is only assigned by God (or prophet), and it is not people's business! There are many examples in Quran where Allah states that He is the one who assigns a successor on the earth. Allah, Exalted He is, states in Quran:

                  "O' David, we assigned you as Caliph (successor) on the earth ..."
                  (Quran 38:26)

                  He also states:

                  "... We have assigned you (Abraham) as Imam (leader) for people ..."
                  (Quran 2:124)

                  As we see, Caliph/Imam for the mankind is assigned by Allah. See also 2:30 (about Adam). Even Prophet Moses, when he wanted to go to Miqaat, did not ask people to form a Shura to assign a Caliph for him. Quran tells us that:

                  (Moses said: "O' Allah) assign me a vizier from my family, (that is) my brother Aaron (Haroon) ...," (Allah) said: "We granted your
                  requests, O' Moses." (Quran 20:29-36).

                  Allah, Exalted, also said:

                  "Surely We gave the book to Moses and assigned his brother Aaron as his vizier." (Quran 25:35).

                  Allah also said:

                  "... And Moses said unto his brother Aaron: Take my place among the people." (Quran 7:142). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^

                  Notice that "Ukhlufni" and "Khalifa" (Caliph) are exactly from the same
                  root.

                  In this connection, let us take a look at the following interesting
                  tradition in Sahih al-Bukhari:

                  The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Your position to me is like the
                  position of Aaron (Haroon) to Moses, except that there shall be no
                  Prophet after me"
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                  Sunni References:
                  (1) Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions 5.56, 5.700
                  (2) Sahih Muslim, Arabic, v4, pp 1870-71
                  (3) Sunan Ibn Majah, p12
                  (4) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p174
                  (5) al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 15-16
                  (6) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, p309

                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) thereby meant that as Moses had left behind Aaron to
                  look after his people when he went to Miqaat (meeting Allah), in the same
                  way he was leaving Ali behind to look after the affairs of Islam after he
                  met Allah (i.e., his death). Let this reminder be food of thought for the
                  possessors of pure heart and open mind.

                  The above verses of Quran concerning Aaron show that even the prophet does
                  not assign his deputy/successor, and it is rather Allah who does that.
                  Prophet Moses prayed to Allah and requested that Aaron becomes his deputy,
                  and Allah approved the suggestion/request of Prophet Moses (AS).

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                  Sunni Documentation on Imam al-Mahdi (AS)
                  For the Sunni brothers, there are six major collections of traditions based on the Sunni standards for verifying the authenticity of a tradition. These six books are: Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Sunan Ibn Majah, Sunan Abu Dawud, and Sahih al-Nisa'i. I just quote few traditions from these six books to prove that a knowledgeable Sunni brother/sister can NOT deny that:
                  „h al-Mahdi (AS) will come in the last days to make a universal Government,
                  „h al-Mahdi (AS) is from the Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet (PBUH&HF),
                  „h al-Mahdi (AS) is from the progeny of Fatimah (AS), the daughter of the Prophet (PBUH&HF),
                  „h al-Mahdi (AS) is different than Prophet Jesus (the Messiah),
                  „h Prophet Jesus (AS) will come as one of the followers of Imam al-Mahdi and will pray behind him in congressional prayer.
                  Another undeniable fact is that many leading Sunni scholars have written books after books exclusively about Imam al-Mahdi (AS) which I included some of their names at the end of this article.
                  Moreover, Insha Allah in the next article, I will give a list of Sunni scholars who believe that Imam al-Mahdi (AS) is son of Imam Hasan al-Askari (AS), and is alive and went into occultation. In that article will also discuss the special specifications of Imam al-Mahdi which are the points of disagreement between the Shia and the Sunni.
                  The following are only some of the traditions about Imam al-Mahdi which Sunnis admit to their authenticity and existence:
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Even if the entire duration of the world's existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left (before the day of judgment), Allah will expand that day to such a length of time, as to accommodate the kingdom of a person from my Ahlul-Bayt who will be called by my name. He will fill out the earth with peace and justice as it will have been full of injustice and tyranny (by then)."
                  Sunni References:
                  „h Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v2, p86, v9, pp 74-75
                  „h Sunan Abu Dawud, v2, p7
                  „h Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp 84,376; V3, p63
                  „h al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn, by al-Hakim, v4, p557
                  „h Jami' al-Saghir, by al-Suyuti, pp 2,160
                  „h al-Urful Wardi, by al-Suyuti, p2
                  „h al-Majma', by al-Tabarani, p217
                  „h Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v9, p144
                  „h Fat'h al-Bari fi Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, by Ibn Hajar Asqalani, v7, p305
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p249
                  „h al-Tathkirah, by al-Qurtubi, p617
                  „h al-Hawi, by al-Suyuti, v2, pp 165-166
                  „h Sharh al-Mawahib al-Ladunniyyah, by al-Zurqani, v5, p348
                  „h Fat'h al-Mugheeth, by al-Sakhawi, v3, p41
                  „h Kanz al-Ummal, v7 P186
                  „h Iqd al-Durar Fi Akhbar al-Mahdi al-Muntadhar, v12, Ch. 1,
                  „h al-Bayan fi Akhbar Sahib al-Zaman, By Ganji al-Shafi'i, Ch. 12
                  „h al-Fusool al-Muhimmah, by Ibn Sabbagh al-Maliki, Ch. 12
                  „h Arjahul Matalib, by Ubaidallah Hindi al-Hanafi, p380
                  „h Muqaddimah, by Ibn Khaldoon, p266
                  „h and also in the works of Ibn Habban, Abu Nua'ym, Ibn Asakir, etc.
                  Also:
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "al-Mahdi is one of us, the members of the household (Ahlul-Bayt)."
                  Sunni reference: Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4085
                  It is evident from the above traditions that Imam al-Mahdi (AS) is from the Ahlul-Bayt of Prophet Muhammad, so he can not be Jesus (the Messiah; al-Maseeh). Thus, al-Mahdi and Messiah are two different personalities but they come at the same time, al-Mahdi as Imam and Jesus as his follower. The following tradition clearly mentions that Imam al-Mahdi is one of descendants of the daughter of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF):
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah (the Prophet's daughter).
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                  Sunni references:
                  „h Sunan Abu Dawud, English version, Ch. 36, Tradition #4271 (narrated by Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet)
                  „h Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4086
                  „h al-Nisa'i and al-Bayhaqi, and others as quoted in:
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p249
                  Also:
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "We the children of Abd al-Muttalib are the Masters of the inhabitants of the heaven: Myself, Hamza (RA), Ali (AS), Ja'far Ibn Abi Talib (RA), al-Hasan (AS), al-Husain (AS), and al-Mahdi (AS)."
                  Sunni references:
                  „h Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4087
                  „h al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, on the authority of Anas Ibn Malik
                  „h al-Daylami
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p245
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The Mahdi will appear in my Ummah. He will appear for a minimum of 7 or a maximum of 9 years; at that time, my Ummah will experience a bountiful favor like never before. It shall have a great abundance of food, of which it need not save anything, and the wealth at that time is in great quantities, such that if a man asks the Mahdi to give him some, and the Mahdi (AS) will say: Here! Take!"
                  Sunni reference: Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #5083
                  Remark: According to Shi'i sources, the Government of Peace and equality that Imam al-Mahdi will establish will last hundreds of years with no rival, and then the day of Judgment will commence. What is mentioned in the above tradition as 7 or 9 years is the length of time that Imam al-Mahdi (AS) will fight to conquer the world when he starts his mission.
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "We (I and my family) are members of a household that Allah (SWT) has chosen for them the life of the Hereafter over the life of this world; and the members of my household (Ahlul-Bayt) shall suffer a great affliction and they shall be forcefully expelled from their homes after my death; then there will come people from the East carrying black flags, and they will ask for some good to be given to them, but they shall be refused service; as such, they will wage war and emerge victorious, and will be offered that which they desired in the first place, but they will refuse to accept it till they pass it to a man from my family (Ahlul-Bayt) appears to fill the Earth with justice as it has been filled with corruption. So whoever reaches that (time) ought to come to them even if crawling on the ice/snow since among them is the Vice-regent of Allah (Khalifatullah) al-Mahdi."
                  Sunni references:
                  „h Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4082,
                  „h The History Tabari
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 250-251
                  Also:
                  The Messenger of Allah said: "The world will not perish until a man among the Arabs appears whose name matches my name."
                  Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v9, p74
                  In Sahih Muslim, in the Chapter of al-Fitan, there are some interesting traditions on what will happen in the last days of the world. I would like to quote two of them here:
                  Abu Nadra reported: We were with the company of Jabir Ibn Abdillah... Jabir Ibn Abdillah kept quite for a while and then reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: "There would be a Caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to the people without counting it." I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-Ala: Do you mean Umar Ibn Abd al-Aziz? They said: NO, (he would be Imam Mahdi).
                  Sunni references:
                  „h Sahih Muslim, English version, v4, chapter MCCV, p1508, Tradition #6961
                  „h Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Fitan, v4, p2234, Tradition #67
                  [ NOTE: What are inside the parentheses in the above tradition are NOT my comments. They are the words of the translator of Sahih Muslim (Abdul Hamid Siddiqui).]
                  Similarly, we read in Sahih Muslim:
                  Abu Sa'id and Jabir Ibn Abdullah reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: "There would be in the last (phase) of the time a Caliph who would distribute wealth but would not count."
                  Sunni references:
                  „h Sahih Muslim, English version, v4, chapter MCCV, p1508, Tradition #6964
                  „h Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Fitan, v4, p2235, Tradition #69
                  It is also narrated:
                  In the end of the time, my Ummah will undergo very hard affliction like never before, so that man can not find any way out. Then Allah will appear a person from my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt, who will fill the earth with justice as it was filled with injustice. The inhabitants of the earth and the inhabitants of the heaven love him. The sky will bring down its water everywhere and the earth will bring all what it can offer and will become green all over.
                  Sunni references:
                  „h al-Sahih fi al-Hadith, by al-Hakim, as quoted in:
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p250
                  Ibn Majah in his Sunan quotes Muhammad Ibn Hanafiyyah and Imam Ali saying that the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) said:
                  "al-Mahdi is from our Ahlul-Bayt, no doubt Allah will enforce his appearance within a night (i.e., his coming is very unpredictable and is very sudden)."
                  Sunni references:
                  „h Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, p269
                  „h Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, as quoted in:
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p250
                  Moreover, it is narrated that:
                  Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS) said: "When the 'Support' of the family of Muhammad (al-Qa'im Aale Muhammad) rises Allah will unite the people of east and the people of west."
                  Sunni references:
                  „h Ibn Asakir, as quoted in:
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p252
                  Ibn Hajar wrote that:
                  Muqatil Ibn Sulayman and those who followed him among the (Sunni) commentators of Quran said that the verse: "And he shall be a Sign for (the coming of) the Hour" (Quran 43:61) was revealed about al-Mahdi.
                  Sunni reference: al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p247
                  Also Ahmad Ibn Hanbal recorded:
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my Family and just before the Day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression."
                  Sunni references:
                  „h Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p99
                  „h A close version has also been narrated in Sunan Abu Dawud, English version, Ch. 36, Tradition #4270 narrated from Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS).
                  It is narrated in Sahih Muslim that:
                  Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari (RA) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "A group of my Ummah will fight for the truth until near the day of judgment when Jesus, the son of Marry, will descend, and the leader of them will ask him to lead the prayer, but Jesus declines, saying: "No, Verily, among you Allah has made leaders for others and He has bestowed his bounty upon them."
                  Sunni reference:
                  „h Sahih Muslim, Arabic, part 2, p193
                  „h Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, pp 45,384
                  „h al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p251
                  „h Nuzool Isa Ibn Maryam Akhir al-Zaman, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p57
                  „h Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala which provides another version of the tradition with more clear words on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: "A group among my Ummah will continue to fight for the truth until Jesus, the son of Marry, will descend, and the Imam of them will ask him to lead the prayer, but Jesus replies: "You have more right to it, and verily Allah has honored some of you over others in this Ummah."
                  „h Sahih Ibn Habban, whose tradition reads: "their leader al-Mahdi" and the rest of tradition is the same.
                  Ibn Abu Shaybah, another Sunni traditionist, and the mentor of al-Bukhari and Muslim, has reported several traditions about Imam al-Mahdi (AS). He has also reported that the Imam of the Muslims who will lead Prophet Jesus in prayer is Imam al-Mahdi himself.
                  Jalaluddin al-Suyuti mentioned that: "I have heard some of the deniers of (truth) deny what has been conveyed about Jesus that when he descends will pray the Fajr prayer behind al-Mahdi. They say, Jesus has higher status than to pray behind a non-Prophet. This is a bizarre opinion since the issue of prayer of Jesus behind al-Mahdi has been proven strongly via numerous authentic traditions from the Messenger of Allah, who is the most truthful." And then al-Suyuti goes on narrating some of the traditions in this regard. (See Nuzool Isa Ibn Maryam Akhir al-Zaman, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p56).
                  Also al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani mentioned that:
                  "The Mahdi is of this Ummah, and that Jesus (PBUH&HF) will come down and pray behind him."
                  Sunni reference: Fat'h al-Bari, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v5, p362
                  This is also mentioned by another Sunni scholar, Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, who wrote:
                  "The Ahlul-Bayt are like the stars through whom we are guided in the right direction, and if the starts are taken away (or hidden) we would come face to face with the signs of the Almighty as promised (i.e., the Day of Resurrection). This will happen when the Mahdi will come, as mentioned in the traditions, and the Prophet Jesus will say his prayers behind him, the Dajjal will be slain, and then the signs of the Almighty will appear one after another."
                  Sunni reference: al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p234
                  Also Ibn Hajar quoted Abu al-Husain al-Ajiri saying:
                  The traditions of al-Mustafa (PBUH&HF) on the rising of al-Mahdi has been transmitted via numerous authorities and is more than the level of (being sufficient for) Mutawatir, describing that he is of his Ahlul-Bayt, and will fill the earth with justice, and that Jesus (AS) will come at the same time and he will assist Jesus for killing al-Dajjal in the land of Palestine, and that he will lead this nation and Jesus will pray behind him.
                  Sunni reference:
                  „h Abu al-Husain al-Ajiri as quoted in al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p254
                  So if al-Mahdi and Jesus are to be the same person as some ignorants claim, then how can one prays behind himself?! Moreover this shows that Imam al-Mahdi and Jesus (the Messiah) will come at the same time so that they could pray the morning prayer together in Jerusalem.
                  In fact, the equivalent word of "Messiah" in Arabic is "al-Maseeh" which means "Wiped Clean; Purified". This word has been used in Quran as the title of Prophet Jesus (AS). As such, the "Messiah" is the Prophet Jesus (AS) and not the Imam al-Mahdi (AS). However, the word "Messiah" in English has another meaning, that is "savior". As a result, there have been some English translators who used the word "Messiah" for Imam al-Mahdi (AS) with the meaning of "Savior" which does NOT have anything to do with Arabic word "al-Maseeh".
                  I should point out that, there exists a fabricated tradition which is mainly used by Ahmadis and Qadianis to prove that al-Mahdi and Jesus are the same. The tradition states: "And no Mahdi except Jesus." This tradition has been rated by al-Hakim as unknown and strange and he said there are discrepancy in its chain of authorities. al-Bayhaqi said Muhammad Ibn Khalid said this tradition is single (Mufrad). al-Nisa'i has mentioned that this tradition is unfamiliar and is denied, and that the memorizers of traditions confirm that the traditions which state that al-Mahdi is the descendants of Fatimah are authentic and reliable. (See al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, Ch. 11, section 1, p252 for details).
                  Prophet Jesus is not the Imam of Muslims, and when he comes back, he will be the follower of the Imam of Muslims who is known as Imam al-Mahdi (AS).
                  In Sahih al-Bukhari, it is narrated that:
                  The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "What would be your situation if the Son of Marry (i.e. Jesus) descends upon you and your Imam is among you?"
                  Sunni reference:
                  „h Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v4, Tradition #658
                  NOTE: The above is my own translation. The Saudi-paid translator of Sahih al-Bukhari (Muhammad Muhsin Khan) has shown pure dishonesty in translating the above tradition. His translation of the last portion of the tradition does not bear any similarity what so ever with the Arabic text of the tradition which is as follows:
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                  Now let us look at the false translation of Mr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan:
                  Muhammad Muhsin Khan> Sahih Bukhari Hadith: 4.658
                  Muhammad Muhsin Khan> Narrated Abu Huraira:
                  Muhammad Muhsin Khan>
                  Muhammad Muhsin Khan> Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son
                  Muhammad Muhsin Khan> of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he
                  Muhammad Muhsin Khan> will judge people by the Law of the Quran
                  Muhammad Muhsin Khan> and not by the law of Gospel.
                  Mr. Muhsin Khan has trimmed the last part of the tradition which states that the Imam of Muslims (i.e., Imam al-Mahdi) is among Muslims when the son of marry descends. Instead, the translator has added another sentence which does not exists in the Arabic text. I should mention that this is not the only place that he has altered the text, and there are much more examples in this regard which proves his bias and his dishonesty.
                  Al-Hafidh Muhammad Ibn Ali al-Shawkani (d. 1250/1834) wrote in a book called "al-Tawdhih fi twawatur ma jaa'a fil muntadar wad-djjal wal masih" (the explanation about the frequent reports concerning the Awaited one, the Dajjal, and the messiah) in which he wrote about Imam al-Mahdi (AS) that: "The traditions about al-Mahdi have been related by numerous authorities and are therefor reliable beyond doubt or confusion, because in jurisprudence the qualification of Mutawatir is valid even for (traditions) with less than this number of narrations. There are also many sayings of the companions (of the Prophet) which explicitly mention the Mahdi, which have the status of narrations from the Prophet since there is no question of establishing such saying through Ijtihad (one's opinion and research)". The author gives the same opinion in his other book "al-Fat'h al-Rabbani". (In this connection see also Mawsu'atil Imam al-Mahdi, v1, pp 391-392,413-414,434, and also Tuhfatul Ahwadhi, v6, p485).
                  The author of the book, "Ghayah al-Ma'amool," mentioned that: "It is a famous narration among the Scholars of the past and the present that there has to appear a man from the family of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) named al-Mahdi. In addition, the traditions about the Mahdi have been narrated by the most renowned companions of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), as well as by the most renowned scholars such as Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, al-Tabarani, Abu Ya'ala, al-Bazzar, Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, and al-Hakim (May Allah be pleased with them all); furthermore, those who claim that the traditions narrated with regard to the appearance of the Mahdi are weak, are themselves in error."
                  Al-Saban in his book, "Is'af al-Raghibeen," mentioned that: "The news about the appearance of the Mahdi are traceable back to the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and that he is one of the members of the family of the Prophet (PBUH&HF); and that he will fill the Earth with justice."
                  Al-Suwaydi in his book, "Saba'iq al-Dhahab," reported that: "The scholars have a consensus that the Mahdi (AS) will appear at the end of time and fill the Earth with justice; and the traditions supporting his appearance are indeed numerous."
                  al-Hafidh Abul-Hasan Muhammad Ibn al-Husain al-Sijistani al-Aburi al-Shafi'i (d. 363/974) said: "The traditions were related by numerous authorities and were spread far and wide by many narrators, from al-Mustafa (PBUH&HF) concerning al-Mahdi who is from the household (of the Prophet) and who will fill the world with justice.." This statement was accepted by the subsequent scholars as testified by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (See Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, v9, p144; Fat'h al-Bari, v7, p305), al-Qurtubi (al-Tathkirah, p617), al-Suyuti (al-Hawi, v2, pp 165-166), al-Muttaqi al-Hindi (al-Burhan fi Alamat Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman, pp 175-176), Ibn Hajar al-Haythami (al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, Ch. 11, section 1, p249), al-Zurqani (Sharh al-Mawahib al-Ladunniyyah, v5, p348), al-Sakhawi (Fat'h al-Mugheeth, v3, p41), etc.
                  The best formulation of the belief of all Muslims about al-Mahdi (AS) has been given by a person who himself did not believe in his coming and who denied the validity of the traditions concerning this matter. He was Ibn Khaldoon (d. 808/1406), a famous historian, in whose book, "al-Muqaddamah," wrote:
                  "Let it be known that it is a narrated event by ALL Muslims in EVERY era, that at the end of time a man from the family of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) will, without fail, make his appearance and will strengthen Islam and spread justice; Muslims will follow him and he will gain domination over the Muslim realm. He will be called al-Mahdi." (An Introduction to History, by Ibn Khaldoon, English version, London, 1967 Edition, pp 257-258)
                  The above quote proves that even Ibn Khaldoon was in the opinion that the belief in Imam al-Mahdi was not a characteristics of a special sect of Islam, but was a common belief to ALL Muslims.
                  Sunni scholars openly criticized those elements (like Ibn Khaldoon) who tried to cast doubt the traditions about al-Mahdi (AS), and have strongly asserted that the belief in Mahdi is well-established for ALL Muslims. See for instance: "Awnul Ma'bud" (which is the commentary of Sunan Abu Dawud), by al-Azimabadi, v11, pp 361-362, Tuhfatul Ahwadhi (which is the commentary of Sahih al-Tirmidhi), by al-Mubarakfuri, v6, p484, al-Tajul Jami' lil Usul, by Shaikh Mansoor Ali Nasif, v5, p341.
                  Shaikh Ahmad Muhammad Shakir (d. 1377/1958), one of the greatest contemporary scholar of Hadith and Tafsir, whose major work was his commentary on Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (for a biography of Ahmad Shakir, see al-Aalam, v1, p253; Mu'jam al-Mu'allifeen, v13, p368) wrote in his commentary: "Belief in al-Mahdi is not particular to the Shia because it is from the narration of many companions of the Prophet in such way that NO one can cast doubt the truth (of this belief)." After this, he proceeds to a strong refutation of Ibn Khaldoon's weakening the traditions regarding al-Mahdi. (see Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal with commentary of Ahmad Muhammad Shakir, Pub. by Dar al-Ma'arif, Egypt, v5, pp 196-198, v14, p288).
                  Al-Sayid Sabiq, the Mufti for the "Muslim Brotherhood," in his book, "al- 'Aqa'id al-Islamiyyah," that: "The idea about the Mahdi is indeed valid, and is one of the Islamic tenets that one must believe in." Mr. Sabiq also narrated a variety of traditions relating to the appearance of al-Mahdi (AS) in the above book.
                  The recent Fatwa in this issue was given in Mecca by "The Muslim World League" (Rabitatul 'Alamil Islami) on Oct. 11, 1976 (23 Shawwal 1396). This Fatwa states that more than twenty companions narrated traditions concerning al-Mahdi, and gives a list of those scholars of Hadith who have transmitted these narrations, and those who have written books on al-Mahdi. The Fatwa states:
                  "The memorizers (Huffadh) and scholars of Hadith have verified that there are authentic (Sahih) and acceptable (Hasan) reports among the traditions related to al-Mahdi. The majority of these traditions are related through numerous authorities (Mutawatir). There is no doubt that the status of those reports are Sahih and Mutawatir. (They have also verified) that the belief in Mahdi is obligatory, and that it is one of the beliefs of Ahlussunnah wal Jama'a. Only those ignorant of the Sunnah and innovators in doctrine deny it.
                  For the transcription and reproduction of this Fatwa, see, among others, the Introduction of al-Ganji al-Shafi'i, in the book named "al-Bayan," Beirut, 1399/1979, pp 76-79 and in Appendix.
                  Two Shafi'i scholars, Ganji in his book "al-Bayan", and Shablanji in his book "Noor al-Absar", on the verse 48:28 of Quran: "He is the One who sent his Messenger (Muhammad) with the guidance and the true religion that in order to prevail over all the religions" narrated from Sa'id Ibn Jubair that "this promise to Prophet Muhammad will be fulfilled by al-Mahdi who is in the progeny of Fatimah (AS)."

                  Even Ibn Taymiyyah (d. 728/1328), who is acclaimed by the Wahhabis, wrote in his book "Minhaj al-Sunnah" (v4, pp 211-212) that the traditions concerning the Mahdi are certainly reliable, and his student, al-Dhahabi, conformed with him in his summary of his teacher's book. (See Mukhtasar Minhaj al-Sunnah, pp 533-534).

                  Among the Shia scholars, I would like to mention the masterpiece of Lutfullah al-Safi al-Golpaygani, who compiled an encyclopedia named "Muntakhab al-Athar". In this book, there is a comprehensive narration of the traditions regarding to the appearance of Imam al-Mahdi (AS) and the description of the world before and after his appearance. He has used over 60 Sunni sources, including their six major book of Hadith; and over 90 Shi'ite sources to illuminate the fact that al-Mahdi is NOT a fabricated event.

                  As far as we have been able to discover, at least 35 prominent Sunni scholars have written 46 of books EXCLUSIVELY about Imam al-Mahdi (AS), the leader of our time. Here are some of the name of some of these books:
                  (1)
                  "Kitab al-Mahdi," by Abu Dawud.
                  (2)
                  "Alamat al-Mahdi," by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti.
                  (3)
                  "al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntadhar," by Ibn Hajar.
                  (4)
                  "Al-Bayan fi Akhbar Sahib al-Zaman," by Allamah Abu Abdillah Ibn Muhammad Yusuf al-Ganji al-Shafi'i.
                  (5)
                  "Iqd al-Durar fi Akbar al-Imam al-Muntadhar," by Shaikh Jamaluddin Yusuf al-Damishqi.
                  (6)
                  "Mahdi Aale Rasool," by Ali Ibn Sultan Muhammad al-Harawi al-Hanafi.
                  (7)
                  "Manaqib al-Mahdi," by al-Hafidh Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani.
                  (8)
                  "Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman," by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi.
                  (9)
                  "Arba'in Hadith fi al-Mahdi," by Abdul Ala al-Hamadani.
                  (10)
                  "Akhbar al-Mahdi," by al-Hafidh Abu Nu'aym.
                  In conclusion, the belief in the coming Mahdi (AS) who is a person other than Jesus (AS), is an undeniable fact for the Sunnis. As we discussed above, the Sunni scholars affirm that belief in "Mahdi of the House of the Prophet" is one of the Islamic tenets for "Ahlussunnah wal Jama'a". In the next part, however, we will discuss the points of differences between the Shia and most Sunnis on the issue of Imam al-Mahdi.


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                    #10
                    salaam,

                    Democracy Is Disbelief

                    Although most Muslims are no longer under the direct political control of the Western colonial powers, many, including some scholars, have been influenced by the ideology of their former occupiers. One of the capitalist concepts most commonly held by these Muslims is that of democracy.

                    DEFINING DEMOCRACY

                    Democracy means a lot more than just elections or consultation. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as: "Government by the people; that form of government in which the sovereign power resides in the people as a whole, and is exercised either directly by them (as in the small republics of antiquity) or by officers elected by them." 'Lord' Hailsham, in his book 'The Dilemma of Democracy', says that the only proper use of the term is in respect of 'popular sovereignty and nothing else...Sovereignty can reside in an individual, a selected number of citizens or the whole adult population. Only the last named can be properly called a democracy'.

                    SOVEREIGNTY

                    Sovereignty means supreme power. Popular sovereignty, which is the essence of democracy, exists when the people as a whole have the final say on everything, and are the ultimate reference point for legislation and the constitution. In practice, democratic states, commonly known as republics, have elected parliaments that pass laws by majority.

                    This contrasts sharply with the Islamic concept of sovereignty. Muslims are not allowed to run their affairs any way they please, but have to rule according to what Allah has revealed. So, for example, the people cannot decide by majority to make interest (riba) lawful or prohibit jihad. Thus, sovereignty resides with Allah (SWT) and His Shari'ah.

                    "No guardian have they apart from Him, since He allots to no one a share in His rule." [Al-Kahf:26]

                    "Whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are disbelievers." [5:47]

                    "O you who believe! Obey Allah, obey the Messenger of Allah and those in authority amongst you; and if you have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the Messenger if you are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day." [4:59]

                    'ISLAMIC DEMOCRACY'?

                    Some Muslims compare the Islamic system of ruling with democracy, and claim that they are essentially the same thing. They argue that since in Islam it is the people that choose the ruler, and because there is shura (consultation), therefore Islam equals democracy.

                    As mentioned above, democracy does not only refer to elections, but even if it is used in this sense to describe the Islamic system, it is not allowed. This is because it is prohibited to use words that have a meaning contradicting Islam to describe it. More important, though, is the thinking that leads to the idea of 'Islamic democracy'. It appears to come from an acceptance of democracy as the standard by which the system revealed by Allah should be judged, and an attempt to match Islam with it. This is often done as an apologetic reply to those who describe the Khilafah, the Islamic ruling system, as a dictatorial, and the answer is given in such a way as to please the opponent.

                    Furthermore, analysis of the concept of an 'Islamic democratic system' reveals that it consists of an elected legislative assembly, no different from the parliaments found in Western democracies. It is this kind of erroneous thinking that has lead some to describe republics like Iran, Pakistan and Sudan as 'Islamic'.

                    CONCLUSION

                    It is clear form the above that democracy is a system of disbelief. We must realise that there is no comparison between the system revealed by the Creator and imperfect man-made systems. The Khilafah ruling system should be accepted as it is; a unique political structure that is neither dictatorial nor democratic. What is required is to liberate ourselves from intellectual slavery to the West and to accept only Islam as the reference point for solving our problems and running our affairs.



                    ws salaam
                    muhammed kauser
                    (College lecturer) www.khilafah.com.pk

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                      #11
                      salaam,

                      I have not, will not and do not recommend accepting something if it does not make sense, or accepting something because the majority believe in it...my faith in my religeon becomes stronger day by day when I question my belief and find a remarkable answer...

                      you say "The Khilafah ruling system should be accepted as it is".. i ask why?

                      i ask why not look at the way it really was??

                      Brother, what i am trying to get at is it is the fact that the system of appointing the Khalifah was so poor, that a person like Mauwiyah was allowed into power. Mauwiyah a person who had enforced foul mouthing of Imam Ali from mimbers..reading Jumma Namaz on wednesday and even engaging into battle with Imaam Ali...

                      further more it is a system that allowed a TYRANT like Yazid to come into power...the mimber that MY PROPHET USE TO SIT ON now occupied by a drunkard, immoral tyrant...why...the system..

                      Brother it is the system that has destroyed Islam..this is why there are as many sects in Islam

                      IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS SYSTEM THAT ISLAM is suffering...had all the SAHABI's listened to the prophet when he asked for pen and paper and not said the QURAN is enough...just remember one thing, the prophet said to Ali before he departed "Ali i can see my Ummat being unfaithful to you"....

                      believe in a leader that can lead, believe in a religeon that shows why its the best of all religeons.. I ask you to present that Character of Yazid to a non-believer and ask him to accept Islam...on the other hand i Ask you to present the caharacter of Ali, Hassan...Hussain....my religeon is perfect, my prophet was perfect, his successors were perfect...end result PERFECT..this is why after reading surah Fateha i say ...alhumdo-lilla hai rubil alameen....

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