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    Why does the PAKI Govt. LIE so much ?

    During Kargil , the Mujahideens held on to a few strategic peaks. On being accused of conspiring, the PAKI Govt. claims that they don't have anything to do with the militants (ok, freedom fighters)...have absolutely no control over them...and did not know where they came from ("probably they fell from the sky", one Pakistani columnist from the real world writes).
    It takes the US to help Nawaz Sharif and co. and the Paki Army to wake up from the collective amnesia...and guess what..suddenly the Mujahideens and the Paki Armymen(in Salwar) are retreating.........


    The Paki Govt. continually maintains that they provide only "moral and diplomatic" support to the freedom-movement (i.e. "terrorism", elsewhere). The world knows and even the Pakistani people themselves know that the Pakistani Army train these so-called "freedom-fighters" and provide them with all logistical support too.So why the lie...can't the Pakistani Govt. have the courage to simply "come out"........

    December of 1999, an Indian Airlines plane is hijacked . The Paki Govt. takes the official line of denouncing it and refuses to be linked with it in any way. The plane is taken to Kandahar...the Taliban there surprisingly doesn't find hijacking as unislamic as the Buddha Statues and provides the hijackers safe passage to Pakistan. And the Paki Govt. does one better. For them "hijacking" is not even a crime and specially if the hijacked were a plane-load of Kafirs mostly.
    Pakistan refuses to hand over the hijackers. They claim the hijackers have committed no crime and broken no Pakistani laws (so u guys know that u can safely hijack a PIA plane , next time) . One of the released militants Masood Azhar roams freely in Pakistan and has even formed a militant group.

    And now a Pakistani Diplomat has been caught red-handed with RDX. This is the same man who was accused of masterminding the IA hijacking....and ofcourse the Paki Govt. accuses Nepal of violating the Vienna Convention agreements while detaining the afore-mentioned official. Does the convention agreement allow Diplomats to enjoy diplomatic immunity when carrying RDX and planning hijackings !!




    [This message has been edited by chilli (edited April 13, 2001).]

    #2
    which government does not..as you put it "lie"

    lets start by naming ONE country :>
    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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      #3
      and guess what..suddenly the Mujahideens and the Paki Armymen(in Salwar) are retreating.........

      Gee, if all the mujahideen and 'Paki armymen (in salwar, whatever that is) are retreating, then surely Kashmir must be free of all freedom fighters. Say, is that why the indian army has resorted to killing civilians in order to make up for the 'lack of mujahideen' when they killed 35 in Chittisingpora, and when they killed 5 more locals as a followup to that, and when they killed 8 more women in the back as yet another follow up to that? Do tell.

      Kashmir must be such a peaceful place, now that all the 'militants' are gone.

      Paki Govt. continually maintains that they provide only "moral and diplomatic" support to the freedom-movement (i.e. "terrorism", elsewhere).

      The definition of terrorism, according to the world, is "Muslims fighting for freedom from tyrrany and injustice". So yes, according to the world, it is terrorism. Just like it is terrorism when an 8 year old palestinian kid throws a rock, and how it automatically becomes self defence when an islraeli kills that 8 year old with 100 bullets.

      December of 1999, an Indian Airlines plane is hijacked

      Are you still in denial of the drama played up by RAW in that hijacking case? Even after the cold hard facts were outlined to you so many times? Say, why on earth did the Indian govt NOT want Pakistan to let the plane fly out of Lahore? Why did the pathetic indian army allow the army to fly out of amritsar? Why were they unable to storm the plane there, and then expected Pakistan to do just the same? Please dont even mention this incident again, since not only it exposes Indias hypocrisy, it exposes their stupidity and ineptness.

      And now a Pakistani Diplomat has been caught red-handed with RDX. This is the same man who was accused of masterminding the IA hijacking....and ofcourse the Paki Govt. accuses Nepal of violating the Vienna Convention agreements while detaining the afore-mentioned official.

      Another lame attempt by India to certify its lost case in the hijacking drama that it staged. There is no doubt in my mind the chemicals were planted, though its my personal opinion. And yes, Pakistan is right in accusing Nepal of such. The diplomats home shouldnt have been searched in the first place. I wonder what led them to search a diplomats home to begin with. hmm.

      Enough of your obsession with Pakistan, and that too, based on flimsy grounds.

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        #4
        Akif buddy,
        you are taking the thread on a completely different route......Mr. Fraudia was more pragmatic....

        The point here is not of right or wrong.
        In this thread, I am NOT questioning whether the Pak Govt. is doing RIGHT or WRONG in giving all sorts of support to what it officially views as "freedom-movement" in the Kashmir Valley.I just want the Pak Govt. to come clean and tell the world about it rather than doing it from "behind the curtains" and stop harping on the "moral and diplomatic support only" line ad nauseum.
        Secondly, I also don't question your right to suspect the hand of "RAW" behind the IA hijacking.But the question here again is not so much as to who masterminded the HIJACKING but the fact that two persons who "hijacked" a plane with over 200 people and put their life at risk are roaming freely in Pakistan.
        Hijacking is a criminal offense anywhere in the world. Which agency was behind them, is a mute point.......and infact by claiming that the two people did nothing wrong by hijacking, the Pak Govt. is bound to attract a lot of suspicion for its role in the episode.....
        I hope I made sense........




        [This message has been edited by chilli (edited April 13, 2001).]

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          #5
          Dear Chilli,

          Donít be a kid. India is also blamed by Pakistan for exploiting East Pakistan situation in 1971. Did India accept the blame? The only difference is that Pak army in East Pakistan finished the holy job in six months. Our Pak friends are puzzled about the role of our army in Kashmir.

          When Clinton visited India 35 Sikhs were killed at gunpoint by Indian army personals. Our Govt wanted to show Americans that Pak terror in the valley is at peak. Our soldiers just forgot to change their dress and appeared at the spot in uniforms.

          RAW masterminded the hijack in Dec 1999 and instructed Taliban not to arrest the hijackers after the drama is over.

          Recently Nepal was burning against the titan India. Now their administration is in all love with India and therefore Pak diplomats are being mal treated.

          Rgds

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            #6
            Mr. skvanand , do you think the world is full of morons who will start believing a Pakistani to be an INDIAN if the guy called himself skvanand.You are not ashamed of being a PAKI, are you ?
            Grow up kid....

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              #7
              Chilli, check the kashmir affairs forum for the sikh killings.
              You idiots botched up the whole thiong.
              The guys were released and set free with a compensation.
              There is one thing your govt has lied about.
              The Hijacking was indian RAW all the way.
              What bloody govt lets its own plane leave its desi airport twice??????
              That does not make sense.
              Heck the people were very angry, but no the govt had to keep it hush hush, and let them leave.
              Stupid morons those RAW people.
              See your govt lies just as much.
              Like the people of kashmir want to be part of india is another lie.
              And like i said before the pakistani diplomat should be killed for getting caught.

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                #8
                Its the best policy to say that Pakistan is not involved even when it is. Otherwise it calls for outright war. Which Pakistan can not afford. Realistically speaking India is a bigger military power. And its stupidity to commit suicide, so Pakistan uses alternate methods.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by chilli:
                  Akif buddy,
                  you are taking the thread on a completely different route......Mr. Fraudia was more pragmatic....

                  The point here is not of right or wrong.
                  In this thread, I am NOT questioning whether the Pak Govt. is doing RIGHT or WRONG in giving all sorts of support to what it officially views as "freedom-movement" in the Kashmir Valley.I just want the Pak Govt. to come clean and tell the world about it rather than doing it from "behind the curtains" and stop harping on the "moral and diplomatic support only" line ad nauseum.
                  Secondly, I also don't question your right to suspect the hand of "RAW" behind the IA hijacking.But the question here again is not so much as to who masterminded the HIJACKING but the fact that two persons who "hijacked" a plane with over 200 people and put their life at risk are roaming freely in Pakistan.
                  Hijacking is a criminal offense anywhere in the world. Which agency was behind them, is a mute point.......and infact by claiming that the two people did nothing wrong by hijacking, the Pak Govt. is bound to attract a lot of suspicion for its role in the episode.....
                  I hope I made sense........


                  [This message has been edited by chilli (edited April 13, 2001).]
                  AND Chilli ,why India keeps blaming Islam (thats why indians burnt Koran in delhi & Amritsar publicly & ofcourse i dont care what hey have been doing privately )

                  Read this article by JEW,traditional anti islam-muslim-pak distinctly indicate cause being NOT ISLAM which you indians all over the place villifying ISLAM for,Bhumiyan is not ISLAMS property or of ALL 1bn muslims of the world only 25 millon Afghani AND THATS THE BIGGEST LIE INDIANS HAVE BEEN SPREADING LATELY

                  EDITORIAL OBSERVER

                  Destroying History's Treasures

                  By TINA ROSENBERG

                  he destruction in Afghanistan's Bamiyan valley of two giant statues of
                  Buddha was a shocking act, even by the standards of the Taliban, whose
                  suffocating form of Islam has already outraged the world. The few
                  Islamic nations that recognize the Taliban's rule pleaded with them to
                  spare the statutes and reminded them that Islam does not favor the
                  destruction of other cultures' sacred objects.

                  The edict to destroy the Buddhas was a product not of Islam, but of the
                  Taliban's fanaticism, isolation and fury at the outside world. But such
                  irreversible destruction of cultural and religious property has ample
                  recent precedent. In 1992, a Hindu mob, egged on by extremist
                  politicians, destroyed a 16th-century mosque in Ayodhya, India. The
                  Hindu nationalists believed that the mosque was built on the site of the
                  birthplace of the Hindu god Ram and are now trying to construct a Hindu
                  temple on the site. In the aftermath of the mosque's burning, Hindu and
                  Muslim rioters killed 1,200 people across the country.

                  Mobs often seek to destroy religious and ethnic sites, both to
                  intimidate the people who hold them sacred and to send the message "you
                  do not belong here." Some governments do the same. China is razing
                  Buddhist sites in Tibet as part of a campaign to erase Tibetan culture.

                  The destruction of cultural property has been a particularly common
                  strategy in the Balkans, where land has changed hands dozens of times
                  over the centuries, yet many inhabitants want territory that is theirs
                  alone. Bosnian Serbs blew up hundreds of mosques, Catholic churches and
                  Muslim and Croat cultural sites. In Banja Luka, now the capital of
                  Bosnia's Serb Republic, Serbs destroyed every mosque and Catholic church
                  and even airbrushed the minarets out of old photographs. The destruction
                  was based on the misguided belief that "an ethnically pure future
                  requires an ethnically pure past," says Andras Riedlmayer, a
                  bibliographer of Islamic architecture at Harvard University's Fine Arts
                  Library.

                  Mr. Riedlmayer is leading one of the few efforts possible to reverse
                  some of the damage caused by the targeting of cultural monuments. The
                  Bosnian Library Ingathering Project seeks to find copies and microfilms
                  of the holdings of Sarajevo's library and Oriental Institute, which were
                  destroyed in a concentrated effort by the Serbs in 1992, a bad year all
                  around for Islamic sites. The two institutions, which Mr. Riedlmayer
                  argues were targets because their collections were a living record of
                  the multiethnic character of Sarajevo, held more than 1.5 million books.
                  So far, the project has located copies of about 1 percent of the
                  collections.

                  The world has long deplored the destruction of religious and cultural
                  sites, and a 1972 convention administered by Unesco on the protection of
                  world cultural heritage ó signed by 162 nations, including Afghanistan ó
                  commits signatories to stewardship of the sites within their borders.
                  This convention has no enforcement mechanism. But two 1977 and 1997
                  additions to the Geneva Conventions made it a violation to destroy
                  cultural property in international and internal wars. The international
                  war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia has indicted several
                  people, including Serbia's former dictator, Slobodan Milosevic, for
                  destroying religious and cultural institutions, and it has so far
                  convicted several defendants on those charges, among other crimes.

                  Short of murder, nothing polarizes a nation's ethnic or religious
                  minorities and incites violence as much as the destruction of their
                  heritage. And the most endangered religious and cultural sites are ones
                  in places where borders often shift. All cultural sites, but especially
                  these, belong not just to a nation or its government, but to all
                  humankind.

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                  aaj kHat likhne main unki jaan jaati hai .....

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