Culture, Secularism, Democracy.

[AbdulHameed Khan]

"Democracy", "Secularism", "Culture". Most people do not understand what it means. One gets fed up of hearing these words. I am amazed at the gullibility of people, and how they get exploited by the 'cunning crooks'. But the more dangerous are the pseudo intellectuals, particularly those having access to the media.
The principles of democracy are enshrined in Islamic system of governance, but the method we have so far followed is British. We have produced ruthless dictators by following the so-called democratic process. What Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir did is not a secret, yet the so called intellectuals crave for this exploitative system.
Secularism is totally a Christian concept. The Islamic system has effective provisions to look after the minorities and people of other faiths. The facade of secularism has been exposed in India, which is being wooed by the west as the largest democracy.
Now about culture. In the wake of the destruction of Buddha Statues there has been a lot of non-sense been written and said about 'culture'. If our past 'culture' is so important, then we should go back to the caves. And if preserving statues is part of our culture, then the Arabs should go back and claim their 'heritage' from 'Lat' and 'Uzza", two of the famed statues of pagan Arabs.
Let us not ride with the west and stop this non-sense.

[Topee Wala]

Originally posted by TTank:
Such as yourself ?

what a response?
hehehe...
TTank? Did this guy offend you? Your behaviour is totally irresponsible and darn right stupid. ahh... well what can one say... just ignore these useless remarks made by our intellectulal guppies who enlighten us everyday in new ways to des-respect other peoples point of view.

[TTank]

I didn't mean any personal insult ... but what he is saying, is basically to restrict access to media of certain ppl who do not share his point of view.

What goes around come around ...

[skv anand]

What can be the difference between a Muslim and a Communist? Both have a valid reason to defend the original thought and then go in an entirely opposite direction.
Communists take all strength from a left wing and declare that all their deeds are right. So is Islam that goes along with a sword and boasts of being the only peaceful religion. In case of any defeat communists run to the make up room for so called self analyzes. When a Muslim is puzzled he offers to meet some good scholar of Islam.
Let us question the kindness of Islam! Is there any Islamic country where citizens are enjoying equal political, social and religious freedom?

[mean machine naseem]

Confused on weather you think democracy is islamic or unislamic. Let me clarify.The word democracy comes from the Greek words "Demo" and "Cracus", which mean people rule. In thoery this is what the modrn day defintion is based i.e The rule belongs to the peopl,for the people, and that the people rule.

Now compare it to islam, The rule belongs to Allah (swt), the rule is none but for Allah (swt), and Allah (swt) rules over everything.

Now if you still think democracy is islamic, please tell me how.

[mean machine naseem]

Originally posted by skv anand:
What can be the difference between a Muslim and a Communist? Both have a valid reason to defend the original thought and then go in an entirely opposite direction.
Communists take all strength from a left wing and declare that all their deeds are right. So is Islam that goes along with a sword and boasts of being the only peaceful religion. In case of any defeat communists run to the make up room for so called self analyzes. When a Muslim is puzzled he offers to meet some good scholar of Islam.
Let us question the kindness of Islam! Is there any Islamic country where citizens are enjoying equal political, social and religious freedom?

What naive statements.

Whats the difference between islam and communists?..how big is the universe, thats what the difference is.

The comminists belief is that evrything came from matter and evolves, and that everything is matter (human beings and dogs crap are the same) and that there is no creator (so where did the matter come from?,where did the skies come from? etc).

So if there belief is false, then obviosly there system is also false. Because logic tells that whatever is built on falsehood is itself false.

And no the communists didnt have a valid reason to defend thier belief, because thier belief is false.(falsehod does not deserve to be defended)

About countries who rule by islam, if you find one let me know because there is NO country in the world that rules by islam, at this moment of time. (determining what consitutes an islamic state is another topic)

And finally, mans limited mind cannot come up with a just system for himself yet alone mankind, because the human mind is limited and weak and hence therefore open to disparity, contradiction, difference and affected by the influnces of the eniviroment he lives in. So therfore he needs a system from the CREATOR Who knows man better than man knows himself.

[This message has been edited by mean machine naseem (edited April 05, 2001).]

[Infoman]

Mean:

How do you know what the communists believe in is false? Can it be proven? They think there is more evidence of their theory than that of the creator. So to them this "creator" version of things is a falsehood.

Consequently, by your logic, if the creation theory is wrong than the entire Islamic system is wrong. What if the system of hte creator WAS the creation of man...then it would be more false than the system of "matter"

Confused?.....you won't be after the next episode!

[hk]

Originally posted by skv anand:
What can be the difference between a Muslim and a Communist? Both have a valid reason to defend the original thought and then go in an entirely opposite direction.
Communists take all strength from a left wing and declare that all their deeds are right. So is Islam that goes along with a sword and boasts of being the only peaceful religion. In case of any defeat communists run to the make up room for so called self analyzes. When a Muslim is puzzled he offers to meet some good scholar of Islam.
Let us question the kindness of Islam! Is there any Islamic country where citizens are enjoying equal political, social and religious freedom?

get ur facts straight before making such ludicrous comments. Didn't anyone ever teach u NOT to compare apples to oranges? Communism is totally un-Islamic and there's no resemblance between the two. Try and get more educated on issues like this before making statements so riddled with stereotypes. Ur attempt at sounding like an intellectual is totally unimpressive



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[rvikz]

Robert Green Ingersoll

SECULARISM.

Secularism is the religion of humanity; it embraces the
affairs of this world; it is interested in everything that touches
the welfare of a sentient being; it advocates attention to the
particular planet in which we happen to live; it means that each
individual counts for something; it is a declaration of
intellectual independence; it means that the pew is superior to the
pulpit, that those who bear the burdens shall have the profits and
that they who fill the purse shall hold the strings. It is a
protest against theological oppression, against ecclesiastical