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    ndia Fires at Pakistani Planes

    By Binoo Joshi
    Associated Press Writer
    Monday, Feb. 19, 2001; 12:27 p.m. EST

    JAMMU, India Indian army gunners fired at two Pakistani
    reconnaissance planes intruding into India's air space in Jammu-Kashmir
    on Monday, officials said.

    Army sources said one plane was believed to have been shot down, and
    that there was "an explosion followed by smoke from the other side."

    In New Delhi, an Indian Air Force source said the planes entered Indian
    territory around 2:30 p.m. local time. The source said the planes are
    believed to have been low-flying Mushaq trainer aircraft on a
    reconnaissance mission.

    Indian ground troops spotted them and opened fire, forcing them to
    return, the air force officer said. The Indian military was looking for
    wreckage in the area but it appeared that they had crossed over into
    Pakistani territory, the sources said.

    In Pakistan, army spokesman Col. Saulat Raza refused to comment.
    Pakistan's air force said it had no knowledge of the incident.

    Indian guns engaged the aircraft in the Chhamb Sector, said Col. S.P.K.
    Singh, the northern command army spokesman. The area is about 35
    miles northwest of Jammu, the state's winter capital.

    India was lodging a complaint with Pakistan over the incident, the
    spokesman said.

    In the past, both India and Pakistan have alleged violations of air space
    against each other, but Monday's incident was the first in more than a
    year.

    The worst air clash occurred in August 1999 when Indian fighter planes
    shot down a Pakistani surveillance aircraft, the French-built Atlantic-I,
    over Kori Creek, a boggy expanse in the western Kutch peninsula.
    Sixteen Pakistani servicemen were killed.

    A day later, Pakistani troops fired a surface-to-air missile toward three
    Indian military helicopters flying journalists over the marshy border region.

    In a separate development, Kashmiri militants killed 15 Indian soldiers and
    wounded several others in an overnight attack on an army convoy in
    troubled Kashmir, rebels said Monday.

    Islamic guerrillas belonging to the Pakistan-based Al Badar Mujahedeen
    group reportedly ambushed the military convoy with rockets, automatic
    assault rifles and grenades. The attack occurred in Badgam in Indian
    Kashmir, they said.

    A statement issued by the group in Islamabad said rebels and Indian
    troops waged a bitter gunbattle for several hours. One rebel was killed.

    India accuses Pakistan of fomenting violence on its Kashmir territory and
    of backing Islamic militants waging a 12-year secessionist uprising.

    Pakistan denies the charge.

    Both countries lay claim to a united Kashmir, which was divided between
    the two uneasy neighbors after British rule of the region ended in 1947.

    The two neighbors, who both now possess nuclear weapons, have twice
    gone to war over Kashmir.

    Pakistan, meanwhile, condemned India of what it called launching a
    "campaign of terror and repression" in Kashmir.

    Scores of peaceful civilians, including children, have been killed and
    wounded by Indian army last week, Pakistan Foreign Ministry said in a
    statement.

    Pakistan also condemns the detention of Kashmiri separatist politicians
    and demands their immediate release, it said.


    #2
    In 1999, Pakistan shoot down two indian Migs
    over Pakistan teritory and captured one pilot
    (Off. Nachichita) of IAF (during the Kargil
    fight). Shooting down of un-armed atlantique
    aircraft on traning mission inside Pakistans
    territory was itself a shameful act.
    The current news is first of all unconfirmed
    and secondly, Pakistan Airforce does not use
    Mushak aircraft for reconnaissance . It has
    some other much better options like Mirage
    Aircraft. Of course, indo army has no courage
    to fire on our fighter jets as they are well
    aware of the outcome. The current news is
    just a blunder to show that indians are very
    much aware of the Pakistan's Activities.
    but in real, this is all baseless propaganda
    and has nothing to do with what happens with
    indo sena whenever engaged with Pak forces in
    Kashmir.
    There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the end the sword will always be conquered by the spirit. --Napoleon Bonaparte

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      #3
      Originally posted by rvikz:
      JAMMU, India Indian army gunners fired at two Pakistani reconnaissance planes intruding into India's air space in Jammu-Kashmir on Monday, officials said.
      The source said the planes are believed to have been low-flying Mushaq trainer aircraft on a reconnaissance mission.

      The worst air clash occurred in August 1999 when Indian fighter planes shot down a Pakistani surveillance aircraft, the French-built Atlantic-I, over Kori Creek, a boggy expanse in the western Kutch peninsula. Sixteen Pakistani servicemen were killed.
      Typical garbage justification by the inept indian media of the inept indian military.
      Mashaaq are supposed to be training aircrafts.....they fly barely faster than a car! The smart indi military obviously thought it would be good target practice to shoot down another UNARMED aircraft, since thats all they are good at.....much like what they did last year to that Atlantique. Pathetic excuse for a military force.

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        #4
        Never heard of a unarmed plane on a recon mission. Its something new to me.
        Do u actually beleive in this news article.

        [This message has been edited by nick (edited February 19, 2001).]

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          #5
          i think pakistan is testing indian air defences or pakistan wants to sbotage cease-fire . yes the last pakistani plane may be unarmed but what they are doing with all important military people at the indian border. tension is so high and there is no trust between each other in that circumstances you cant take risk.you have to blame the higher military officials of pakistan for that tragedy


          [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited February 19, 2001).]

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            #6
            Rivzk : You didn't see the other news that came on u'r superb and unbiased ZEE TV??
            OK lemme tell you then ...
            You see the guys flying those MUSHAKS were actually none other than your excellent RAW agents. They were stealing those planes so your world class DRDO could study them (MUSAK being the fifth generation stealth MULTIROLE aircraft that it is).

            So you see sir you guys shot at the wrong duck.

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            [This message has been edited by Wadi (edited February 19, 2001).]

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              #7
              why cant pakistan train theur plane at afghan border. i dont even trust ducks flying
              from pakistan they may something to do with isi.

              [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited February 19, 2001).]

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                #8
                Originally posted by rvikz:
                why cant pakistan train theur plane at afghan border. i dont even trust ducks flying
                from pakistan they may something to do with isi.

                [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited February 19, 2001).]
                dat proves it man . u guys r soo afraid . feel sorry for u guy.



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                "He granteth wisdom to whom HE pleasth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit of overflowing; but non will grasp the Message but men of understanding" 2(269)

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                  #9
                  rvikz..

                  Reconnaisance, or recky, as its usually called, is done in sensitive places. Pakistan has no defensive reasons to undertake recky missions on the afghan, china or iran borders. And even if they do, they are not fired upon in a cowardly manner the way indi military does so superbly.

                  Reccy missions are routine, and common knowledge. I am sure indian military carries them out routinely as well. Fact of the matter is, india is afraid as hell and ready to wet their pants even at the sight of a Pak military maneuver.

                  If you wish to fight, fight in combat. Stop killing innocent civilians, and stop firing at unarmed aircraft. The next thing u know, they are gonna fire at commercial flights flying over india.

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                    #10
                    why paf did not support northern light infantry when they are atttacked by iaf. why you send them to kargil dont give them air cover. may be because you give only"moral support".

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                      #11
                      ..The Indian military was looking for
                      wreckage in the area but it appeared that they had crossed over into
                      Pakistani territory, the sources said.


                      They were shot down but still managed to return to Pakistani territory? Propaganda should at least sound plausible.

                      Why no mention in the international press?

                      >>In a separate development, Kashmiri militants killed 15 Indian soldiers and
                      wounded several others in an overnight attack on an army convoy in
                      troubled Kashmir, rebels said Monday


                      I think the success of this raid by the Kashmiris is the real reason for Indian claims of Paki planes being shot down.

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                        #12
                        pressure is increasing on pakistan to do something since cease-fire is going nowhere.
                        pressure is on pakistan because it has to
                        recover kashmir and make it part of pakistan.
                        india has to sit and watch pakistan doing desparate acts

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by rvikz:
                          why paf did not support northern light infantry when they are atttacked by iaf. why you send them to kargil dont give them air cover. may be because you give only"moral support".
                          During the Kargil conflict, only india took
                          it as if it was a war.. Situation was fairly
                          calm in Pakistan since we were not loosing
                          that many men india claims. It was indians
                          who were in such a bad situation that they
                          needed their airforce just to loose a few
                          aircrafts and chopers. Mujahidins were
                          already in command so there was no need for
                          PAF to get involve in something really minor.
                          Spacially when our army was able to shot down
                          indo aircrafts and helicopters.
                          There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the end the sword will always be conquered by the spirit. --Napoleon Bonaparte

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                            #14
                            it is mixture of mujis and NLI . nobody will belive if you say only local mujis are involved. pakistan dont want direct war
                            only proxy war . it is convienient for pakistan not to take responsibility if something goes wrong and it did.

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                              #15

                              This news of recon aircraft being shot down is such garbage. firstly the Mushak aircraft are excellent primary trainers, but are no spy planes.

                              The simple fact is that Pakistan has tried and tested UAV's (unmanned aerial vehicles) that carry CCD cameras laser range finders etc.

                              We have designed and built these indigenously go to Pakistan Defence News Network www.pakdefencenews.org and www.satuma.com.pk

                              As for the Northern Light Infantry they have become legend for defending the mother land, as for the Mujs they went into kargil and kicked ass and are still kickin it.

                              Pakistan Zindabad

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