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    #16
    islam cant overide national identities
    afganistan have the right to have thier own country and speacial identity. in the name of ummah you cant incorporate afghanistan
    which has its own identity for thousands of year.

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      #17
      Originally posted by rvikz:
      islam cant overide national identities
      afganistan have the right to have thier own country and speacial identity. in the name of ummah you cant incorporate afghanistan
      which has its own identity for thousands of year.
      Islam does not recognize nationalism therefore it will override all nationalistic ideologies and will bind the UMMAH as ONE ENTITY.

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        #18
        musal man it sounds great and highly idealistic but the ground realities and human nationalistic and eithinc and racial
        feelings are too powerful emtions to overcome. pakistan itself became victim to nationlistic and ethinic emotionalism
        during bangaldesh-west pakistan devide.
        even present pakistan as exists today
        vulnerable to ethinic divide.
        even to be member of arab league you have to be arab speaking nation

        [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited January 18, 2001).]

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          #19
          Originally posted by rvikz:
          musal man it sounds great and highly idealistic but the ground realities and human nationalistic and eithinc and racial
          feelings are too powerful emtions to overcome. pakistan itself became victim to nationlistic and ethinic emotionalism
          during bangaldesh-west pakistan devide.
          even present pakistan as exists today
          vulnerable to ethinic divide.
          even to be member of arab league you have to be arab speaking nation

          [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited January 18, 2001).]
          The ground realities are changing faster then ever in the Islamic world. Fusion of Pakistan and Afghanistan is in sight and not a distinct goal. Islamic revival has overtaken the entire Islamic world as is evident. Population of every Islamic country is demanding that Islam be made as the way of life in their countries. Soon the nationalistic leaders will be thrown away and Islamic rule will be established all over the Islamic world. We are witnessing that as of this very moment in Pakistan and Afghanistan where there is no place left for nationalism and Islam is to be the supreme order of the land. Same thing is happening with the rest of the Islamic world. And once Islam becomes the supreme order of all the Islamic countries then this UMMAH automatically and naturally becomes ONE ENTITY. The advent of the ISLAMIC WORLD ORDER!



          [This message has been edited by Musalman (edited January 18, 2001).]

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            #20
            musalman if it happens that will be greatest feat in human history.

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              #21
              Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
              Youngerbrat. I never said that calling someone Punjabi is an insult. Don’t you find it ironic that all Pakistanis fighting in Afghanistan are being referred to as Punjabis? I don’t know where you live, but in the rest of the world, when one leave one’s territorial borders, one is referred to as the citizen of one’s country. I don’t think a Swiss will refer to a Pakistani as Punjabi or a Balooch. Call someone from Qatif a Najrani, and find out the size of their club. Ask me where Qatif is.
              All Pakistanis are referred to as Punjabis?

              Absurd crap!

              Well if that was true then hundreds of Pashtuns that went to Afghan to fight would have did or said something.

              Forget about your Najrani and Qatif crap. Answer me this! Why is a black person in America called African-American when that person is born in America?

              Once you find the answer to that, then you'll know why are some Pakistani referred to as Punjabis in Afghan.

              `its yOuNgBrAt not youngerbrat……………

              Salaaaaam



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              *We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile*
              YB Osama Bin Junior.

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                #22
                >>>`its yOuNgBrAt not youngerbrat……………<<<<


                It is Pakistani, not Punjabi. Get it, you little brat?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
                  >>>`its yOuNgBrAt not youngerbrat……………<<<<


                  It is Pakistani, not Punjabi. Get it, you little brat?

                  Yeah! I know, becuz you an't got what it takes to be Punjabi. Get that?

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                  YB Osama Bin Junior.

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                    #24
                    Yeah NYAhmadi you aint got what it takes to be Pathan either...
                    I am guessing you are From KARACHI??
                    haha aNywaYS caz most people from Karachi have a strong feeling of therE MQM and MOhajirs.. Well Punjabis and PAthan Balochis are actually PAkistanis because they did not have to move anywhere like the Sindhis did which came from india.(MOHAJIRS)
                    And there is nothing wrong with punjabi ,
                    Punjabi are known for being Villian Badmash type , that is a compliment ..
                    Anyways AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN SHOULD Be ONe NATION.. THen Look AT INDIA go DOWN..
                    ONE QUESTIon IS WHY DO THE INDIANS TAKE INTEREST IN OUR DURAND LINE and PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN...... why dont u indians worry about urself and CHIna hahaha
                    PEACE

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                      #25
                      Youngbrat,
                      NYA is the one who brought up the subject of punjabis into this discussion when it has little to do with the title of this discussion,so why should you play that game?
                      Enough posts in this thread about something which is not relevant,don't you think?Let's not forget this thread really is about the Durand line.
                      And NYA,whatever western media writes up about Jehad and terrorism,doesn't really matter does it?I am sure 'NYTimes' isn't the only paper that wrote about it,there have always been negative articles about such topics in western press.They have hardly any credibility outside the west.
                      Why not stick to the topic?Let's say for example does the 'NYtimes' article claim that the taliban reject the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.If so can you please post that.....

                      So this thread should now come to an end as pointed about by CM above,there is no statement from ANY taliban official whatsoever about any territorial dispute.
                      So the conclusion regarding ZZ's original post has to be that there really isn't any dispute at all.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Ahmed:


                        So this thread should now come to an end as pointed about by CM above,there is no statement from ANY taliban official whatsoever about any territorial dispute.
                        So the conclusion regarding ZZ's original post has to be that there really isn't any dispute at all.
                        why NY times, I can quote 'Dawn'. http://www.dawn.com/events/century/for7.htm

                        it says ___________________________________________
                        Islamabad assumed that the Taliban would recognize the Durand line - the disputed boundary line between the two countries created by the British and which no Afghan regime has recognized. Islamabad also assumed that the Taliban would curb Pashtun nationalism in the NWFP and provide an outlet for Pakistan's Islamic radicals, thus forestalling an Islamic movement at home. In fact just the opposite occurred. The Taliban refused to recognize the Durand line or drop Afghanistan's claims to parts of NWFP. The Taliban fostered Pashtun nationalism, albeit of an Islamic character which began to affect Pakistani Pashtuns
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                          #27
                          ZZ that is from a book!!!!!
                          NOT ANY OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS OR REPORTS!!!!!!

                          And NYA, if the NYT goes everywhere, why isn't it righting about what ETA is doing in Spain or what is happening in Papua New Ginea???
                          These americans will right anything anti-Taliban for the sake of it.
                          Have they noticed that drug production has decreased by 50%??/
                          Do they notice that there is absolute security and harmony in the taliban controlled areas.
                          Do they notice that Afghan has virtually no crime due to the taliban???
                          Why don't they write about this stuff????


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                          CROIRE A L'INCROYABLE
                          You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                            #28
                            >>>>And NYA, if the NYT goes everywhere, why isn't it righting about what ETA is doing in Spain or what is happening in Papua New Ginea???<<<

                            CM. since when have you started reading the NYTimes? Check your spellings for Papua New Guinea (unless you wrote in French), and writing. They have plenty of coverage on Basques. Just so you know that I spent 10 month in the Basque country as a researcher in their machine tool industry in Mondragon, and I can tell you NYT coverage of that region is more than you will read in Der Spiegel. Don’t open your mouth more than it is possible at this stage in your studies. And read the New York Times, whenever possible.

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                              #29
                              >>ZZ that is from a book!!!!!
                              NOT ANY OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS OR REPORTS!!!!!!<<

                              CM, ZZ has been doing an excellent job of coming up with hyperlinks to news items.
                              Now, your complaint is that he didn't comeup with anything "OFFICIAL". Now if it is official it is final and there need be no discussion about it, isn't it?

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                                #30
                                CM, don't worry what bigoted fools in NYT have to say. If muslims were to left on the mercy of biased United Nations, the carnage would go on until there are none left. Mujahideens from all over the world gather in Afghanistan to train and go around the world to fight against oppression.

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