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    From MRD to ARD:Full Circle?

    So now GDA is gone and there is a new alliance called ARD now and basically consists of the same forces which were part of the MRD of the 80's.Even the name is almost the same.
    So how long did it take for the MRD to have General Zia restore democracy?
    On the other hand Gneral Musharraf is aleady going ahead with local bodies elections and will restore democracy in two years time anyway.So how effective will be this ARD?
    And we all know what kind of democracy we got as a result of MRD efforts?
    So exactly how many of the current parties are out of this so called ARD??
    The question thus is,will we have a different fate this time?
    And who exactly can make sure that it is??

    We never ever had any political genie, aptitue or why cry now over the worn-out cliché. LOL

    Sarfraz Khan


      well Atif is back.
      Welcome back.
      And this alliance is a waste of time, just like the last one.

      You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!


        Welcome back Atif.

        Ahmed this new alliance will go the same way as the GDA . Already some 7 of the 19 parties of ther GDA have left because of its alliance with the Kulsoom league. And of course the PML has now split into two - this did not happen to the PPP in the 80's.

        There are key differnces to the 1980's :-

        - General Musharraf is NOT General Zia.

        - Nawaz has not been excected like ZAB - so no "martyr" symbol.

        - PML has nowhere near the popular base as the PPP did.

        - No political party is brave enough to take on the military as the PPP did in the 1980's.


          >>We never ever had any political genie, aptitue or why cry now over the worn-out cliché. <<
          Interesting. Atleast one retired General attributed this to the fact that this part of British India is more feudal than the rest.
          Also to the fact that most of the soldiers in British India came from these parts and the region has a martial culture which discourages democratic ideals.


            Okay people now for my real question...the ones I asked at the end?Those are the ones I want discussed in the thread.


              Not possible to say Ahmed.
              And Andhra, if it was culture, you indians would still be stuck in the ice age with your caste system.
              That assumption is totally basis less and actually crap.

              You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!


                Well the dissident elements of the GDA are going to contiune with calling themseleves the GDA . I cant keep will all these splits.

                Chattha, 4 others to retain GDA

                By Ashraf Mumtaz

                LAHORE, Dec 3: After the establishment of the Alliance for Restoration of Democracy (ARD) comprising the PML and most parties in the Grand Democratic Alliance, five have opposed the initiative and decided on Sunday to retain the GDA title and continue their struggle they started a year ago.

                This group of five met at the residence of Hamid Nasir Chattha, President PML(C) to discuss the situation arising from the creation of ARD.

                "We'll expand and activate the GDA", Chattha told reporters in thepresence of Pir Fazle Haq of Jamiat Mashaikh Pakistan, Capt. (retd) Aftab of the Islamic Democratic Front, Ali Ghazanfar Kararvi of Hizbe Jehad and Allama Zubair Ahmed Zaheer of Jamaat Ahle Hadith.

                Chattha hopes that Fatehyab Ali Khan of Mazdoor Kissan Party (MKP) would also stay with them.

                The MKP chief is in Paris to participate in a seminar organized by the UNESCO and Chattha plans to hold talks withhim immediately after he returns home.

                Chattha alleged that "water and fire" had been brought on the same platform by the government for some unknown reasons.

                He believes that the 'misled' leaders would soon return to the Grand Democratic Alliance fold.

                For the time being, the five-member GDA is without a leader. However, there are indications that the new office-bearers of the alliance would be decided in the near future.


                  Another death blow for this ARD and future political alliances as the MQM quits.


                  Muttahida decides to quit ARD

                  By Tahir Hasan Khan

                  KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement has finally decided to quite the Alliance for Restoration of Democracy (ARD) and the decision in this regard will be announce on Wednesday (today). Sources claimed that Muttahida leadership had already taken the decision but it would be announced after the meeting of the Coordination Committee being held today.

                  Talking to The News, Deputy Convener of Muttahida Qaumi Movement Aftab Shaikh blamed the PPP and PML-N leadership to force Muttahida's decision. A spokesman of the information section of Muttahida also expressed shocked over the criticism of the ARD leaders against Muttahida and said when the component parties of the alliance could not provide guarantee for provincial autonomy "how would they restore democracy in the country".

                  According to Aftab Shaikh, the Coordination Committee will review the overall political situation especially the negative attitude of the ARD leaders in its meeting at Nine-Zero. However, he categorically denied the reports about any deal between the Muttahida and the government, saying the Muttahida did not want to strike a deal with the military regime for any political concessions neither the it believed in such tactics.

                  He declared that the Muttahida would not allow anyone to use it to enter into any deal with the government. He said there was indications that the PPP Chairperson Benazir Bhutto wanted to use the ARD to strike a deal with the military regime like former prime minister Nawaz Sharif.

                  Shaikh said that the crackdown against the Muttahida was still going on and police and law-enforcing agencies were conducting raids for arrest of Muttahida workers. He said that the Muttahida only demanded assurance from the alliance parties about the provincial autonomy under 1940 resolution. Shaikh said that Altaf Hussain also offered that his party would withdraw other demands if ARD leaders gave assurance that they would implement the provincial autonomy under 1940 resolution.

                  Aftab Shaikh ejected the impression that Muttahida intentionally raised this demand to create atmosphere against Benazir Bhutto. A party spokesman on Tuesday night also issued a press release, saying that the ARD leader Nawabzada Nasrullah Khan has termed the Muttahida's demands as unjustified and accused it as anti-Pakistan. Terming the Nawabzada Nasrullah's statement as shameful the spokesman said that Muttahida did not believe in Nawaz-like deals.

                  However, PPP Sindh chief Nisar Khuhro rejected the Muttahida charges and said that Muttahida forced the ARD leaders to induct the PML-N into their alliance. He said that the first ARD meeting would be held on January 14 in Karachi and the Muttahida's demands could be discussed in that meeting.