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    The CIA views India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and North Korea as countries that will continue to pursue regional agendas that 'collide with US interests', Chairman of the US National Intelligence Council has said. Speaking at the Council of World Affairs, Gannon highlighted areas of continued concern to the United States during next 15 years.
    He said regional powers like India, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea and Iraq are engaged in developing weapons of mass destruction. He said that all these regional powers were developing weapons of mass destruction and long or medium range ballistic missiles in order to achieve their national objectives within their regions. These objectives may also run counter with US strategic interests.
    Gannon warned that ethnic and indigenous groups, now numbering more than 2,000 worldwide, were mobilising for their respective causes and by 2015, at least a few new ethnic-based nation-states "are likely to come into being." Asserting that global economic influence and power was likely to spread from the G-7 countries to a more multipolar global economic system in which India, Brazil, China and South Korea will be increasingly important players, he said output from developing countries was expected to rise from 45 per cent to around 60 per cent of global GDP by 2015.
    He said in the new world order, power relationships and alignments were also likely to shift as European Union, Japan, Russia and China try actively to shape the world. Gannan said the most dangerous consequence of a return to multipolarity would be the risk of the reemergence of national rivalries within East Asia, and even within Europe.
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    AMERICA SEEMS TO BE GETTING VERY DESPERATE AND PARANOID ABOUT ITS EVENTUAL LOSS OF GREAT POWER STATUS.. All of us are threats to American National interests! All of us are headed towards disintegration (into smaller ethnic states...) and ALL US SHOULD ACCEPT AMERICA'S DOMINANCE IF WE ARE TO SAVE OURSELVES!!!



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    #2
    In my view, US was never a super power and not is now and will never be. It was on the US state of mind which lived for a short time. US has to bomb Iraq with the help of other 30 countries. Sometime its hard to stop people from dreaming. LOL

    I think its more appropriate for the US to set some realistic goals though we not gonna stop them from dreaming.

    Unhappy is a general who goes to battle field with his own ideas. [Napoleon]



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      #3
      Atif agree with you about the delusions of power the American's have. Indeed since 1945 there have been many military battles that the USA got involved in BUT which either ended in humiliation, stalemate or defeat for them. Examples:-

      - Korea, 1950-53
      - Bay of Pigs, Cuba, 1962
      - Vietnam, 1962-73
      - Iran, 1979-80
      - Lebanon, 1982
      - Somalia, 1993

      Other countries who have had delusions of super power status have also suffered the same situations since 1945 - USSR, UK, FRANCE, INDIA, ISRAEL, and RUSSIA. And most of their defeats have been at the hands of Muslims!


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        #4
        Yeah Mailik, the poor super power has to raise funds from other countries to fight wars in the future like they did in Gulf too. LOL

        Once Genghis Khan also approached the then Chinese emperor to supply him some soldiers, but the emperor refused saying that you are Genghis Khan(universal ruler). Its much below your status to ask for some help. Lay aside your title and then ask us for help. The Khan got furious and threatened to destroy China ignoring his immediate enemy. LOL

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          #5
          Atif - absolutely right! Also, people should study history to see what happened to great superpowers before.

          1)Ancient Greece, Persia, Rome - all fell apart after losing successive wars and overstretching themselves...

          2)Recent empires like Turkey, Britain, France, Netherlands, Portugal and Spain - all came to an end after local native populations rebelled..

          3) Russian empire i.e USSR collapsed after spending itself into bankruptcy.

          I don't think the USA will disintegrate into 50 independent states, BUT I do believe its superpower status will dissappear as a result of a mixture of 1) and 2)...


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            #6
            unan misr romo sab mit gayay jahan se
            kiya baat hain ke hasti mitati nahin hamari
            Allam Iqbal in 'sare jahan se accha hindostan hamara'

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              #7
              Did you notice that in modern times, powers are fading away quickly. Even in less than 100 years.

              US can disintegrate in some pieces if not in 50 because its composed of so many folks and only the good times (prosperity) are holding them. Nation of Islam? But it seems a distant dream. Last time they tried in Canada through a referendum but lost by a very narrow margin.

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                #8
                Atif - the French-speaking province of Quebec in Canda only voted to remain part of Canada by a tiny amount of votes - next time there is a vote they are likely to win.

                Also, I don't believe the USA will break up in the next 20 years or so, MAYBE after. It is admitted by the US Census dept the white/European American's will be a minority in the USA in 2020! Maybe then the trouble begins - at the same time China will have become the largest economy in the world.
                ALSO MUSLIMS WILL BE LARGEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD!

                So if the Europeans unite politically before 2020, the USA will be pushed into 3rd place at least. ALL leading diplomats/international relations experts agree that in 20 years the world be controlled by REGIONAL superpowers - CHINA, JAPAN, INDONESIA, EU, BRAZIL, NIGERIA, and USA.

                The USA will be confined to being a superpower in the America's only, but even there Brazil, Mexico and Hispanic America will challenge the Anglo-American dominance.

                Atif Bhai - tme is on our side, we need patience and belief. It is inevitable that Muslims will dominate NOt just by their numbers, but ALSO by their geographical position, resources and money...

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                  #9
                  True, Islam is the fastest spreading religion in the world at this moment but we should use more rational and less rehtoric to go ahead and better our lives.

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                    #10
                    Agree with you... The only way Muslims are going to cooperate better and inshallah unite into some political grouping is to draw up a charter among members of the OIC member countries whereby we agree NOT to interfere in each others internal affairs - whatever form of government is in place each country, AND NOT ENCOURAGE OPPOSITION MOVEMENTS FROM EACH OTHERS TERRITORY.

                    This will inspire trust and confidence among Muslim countries, and will lead to much better relations, probably leading to better ecomonomic cooperation. As a start for instance we should start putting into place policies that we all agree on at the moment i.e maybe a big OIC fund to encourage Arabic as a taught language in all Muslim countries? The OIC should also set up a 'conciliation council' to bring together Sunni and Shia religious leaders. And the OIC could set up an Islamic Science foundation to encourage Muslim scientists.

                    These are only three uncontroversial measures which even the West could not oppose, BUT which would make a huge difference to Muslims WORLDWIDE.

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                      #11
                      Even before we work towards a united Islamic community, it is important that we are economically sound enough to challenge the West.
                      The West is the one that controls all the economic resources and the Arab countries eat out of their hands with the exception of Libya and Syria.
                      But economic cooperation can occur if the arabs stop squabbling within themselves.
                      And i think Pakistan can only broker this arrangement.
                      But Pakistan also does not have strong ties with all the arab countries.
                      Firstly we need the increase trade with Iran and the UAE forming a triangle of trade - working for the development of trade routes.
                      Then the smaller nations like Bahrain, Oman and Qatar need to join Pakistan, UAE and Iran in an economic cooperation movement.
                      Later when this is working strongly we induct stronger Arab countries.
                      This has to work like the EU.
                      We have to build, with peace first, then political cooperation and lastly economic cooperation.
                      The Iran UAE triangle will be easy to set up but hard to maintain.
                      We need to work hard.
                      This should take atleast a year or 2.
                      But if this plan is inducted by say 2002.
                      UAE, Iran, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman and Pakistan should be working by 2007.
                      Later we can induct the bigger Arab countries.
                      You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                        #12
                        Hmmmmmmm...Iqbal a good great poet for us. I think I should re-read his works. And Ghalib too. Old timers! LOL

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                          #13
                          Further to my belief about the declining power of so-called superpowers, and replacement by regional power structures. Two ongoing events testify to this:-

                          Sierra Leone - where the UN has been humiliated by the kidnapping of hundreds of its men by the regional warlord/thug Sankoh. The UN is calling on regional power Nigeria to intervene - where are the American's during this critical time, when INTERNATIONAL LAW is being made a mockery of??

                          Sri Lanka - India is scared of intervening in Jaffna because it is scared of:-
                          a) Being militarily humiliated by the Tigers like it was in 1971 and 1987-90.
                          b) Upsetting ethnic Tamils in Tamil Nadu.

                          India is seriously stuck in a dilema of a lose-lose situation. If it intervenes it risks the factors above. If it does not intervene then an Independent Tamil Ealam state will surely become independent of Sri Lanka in a very short matter of time. THEN THE 60 MILLION TAMILS OF INDIA (particularly in Tamil Nadu) will get encouragement to pursue their nationalist interests. This will begin the process of the four Indian states agitating for a looser form of union with the rest of India - maybe 'Dravidistan'?
                          Indian's may think this is wishful thinking - but what do they believe the events in Jaffna peninsula will lead to??

                          Asserting world dominance AND even regional dominance is indeed very tricky, and very messy??

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by kmailik:
                            a) Being militarily humiliated by the Tigers like it was in 1971 and 1987-90.
                            1971?!?!! the LTTE itself was formed only in 1974!

                            and why the hell do you always bring in your mythical "dravidistan" into every other discussion? running out of genuine points? for the last time, there isnt any dravidian nation movement in india, there is a tamil nation movement in Sri Lanka. i know, coz i am living in madras from the last 4 years. (madras is the capital of the state of Tamil Nadu).
                            Simple ain't easy.

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                              #15
                              The LTTE may have been created in 1974 (by India) BUT in 1971 India lost hundreds of soldiers when they intervened in Sri Lanka to crush a tamil rebelllion - check the BBC report:-
                              http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...000/735963.stm

                              Maybe you should also be watching Indian news channels lkie ZEE t.v. , where Indian Tamil politicians are being shown swarming into New Delhi
                              to warn the Indian government of the consequences of hurting Tamil interests??

                              AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ THE (INDIAN) TAMIL PARTY DMK'S SITE:-
                              http://www.thedmk.org/

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