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    US report details direct RAW involvment in East Pakistan Secession

    India seems to be working overtime to get Pakisan delcared a terrorist state. This should be interesting reading for all - I hope to mail this to the US President and all 535 members od the US Congress an others.

    'A sensational American report has confirmed the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), India's most powerful intelligence agency, was directly involved in the secession of East Pakistan into Bangladesh, and is currently engaged in similar activities.
    RAW has a long history of activity in Bangladesh supporting both secular forces and the area's Hindu minority, masterminding the break up of Pakistan in 1971, says the report made available to the News Intelligence Network (NIN) The report has been prepared by the innocent sounding Federation of American Scientists (FAS) -- a group which is however engaged in analysis and advocacy on science, technology and public policy concerning global security, especially about countries which have nuclear capability.
    It is a privately funded non-profit policy organisation, whose Board of Sponsors includes 55 American Nobel laureates. FAS was originally founded as the Federation of Atomic Scientists in 1945 by members of the Manhattan Project, who produced the first atomic bomb.
    RAW is extensively engaged in disinformation campaigns, espionage, sabotage and terrorism against Pakistan and other neighboring countries, reveals the sensational secret report. It also gives details of the truly alarming involvement of RAW in terrorist activities in Pakistan.
    The report reveals the involvement of RAW in Bangladesh dating from the 1960s, when it promoted dissatisfaction against Pakistan in the then East Pakistan, including funding Mujibur Rahman's general election in 1970 and providing training and arming to the Mukti Bahini. The report claims an estimated 35,000 RAW agents have entered Pakistan at various times between 1983-99, with 12,000 having worked in the past or working presently in Sindh, 10,000 in Punjab 8,000 in North West Frontier Province and 5,000 in Balochistan.
    "As many as 40 terrorist camps are currently operating at Rajasthan, East Punjab, [occupied] Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and other parts of India and are run by RAW's Special Service Bureau [SSB]," the report reveals. The report further confirms that throughout the Afghan War, RAW was responsible for the planning and execution of terrorist activities in Pakistan to deter Islamabad from supporting the Afghan liberation movement against India's ally, the Soviet Union.
    "The assistance provided to RAW by the KGB enabled RAW to arrange terrorist attacks in Pakistani cities throughout the Afghan War," the report says. "The defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan did not end the role of RAW in Pakistan, as it established training camps in East Punjab, [occupied] Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan where agents are trained for terrorist activities," it reveals.
    It further says that RAW has become "an effective instrument of India's national power, and has assumed a significant role in formulating India's domestic and foreign policies." RAW, according to the report, has enjoyed the backing of successive Indian governments in these efforts. Working directly under the Prime Minister, the structure rank, pay and perks of the Research and Analysis Wing are kept secret from parliament.
    "Current policy debates in India have generally failed to focus on the relative priority given by RAW to activities directed against India's neighbours versus attention to domestic affairs to safeguard India's security and territorial integrity," the report says. It points out that RAW has had limited success in dealing with separatist movements in Manipur and Tripura in the northeast, Tamil Nadu in the south and Punjab and Kashmir in the northwestern part of the country.
    RAW, it adds, has failed to neutralise freedom fighters in Kashmir and similar indigenous movements in Kerala, Karnataka and other places, along with economic and industrial espionage activities in New Delhi and Bombay. Giving a background of the intelligence agency, the American report says RAW was set up in 1968 "specifically targeted on Pakistan".
    Pakistan, the report says, has accused RAW of sponsoring sabotage in its Punjab province, where it has been supporting the Seraiki movement, "providing financial support to promote its activities in Pakistan and organising an International Seraiki Conference in Delhi in November December 1993". It adds: "RAW has an extensive network of agents and anti-government elements within Pakistan, including dissident elements from various sectarian and ethnic groups of Sindh and Punjab."
    According to it, India is funding the current upsurge of terrorism in Pakistan "and has been behind the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis, which has resulted in thousands of deaths in the last few years."
    Terrorist activities in Pakistan attributed to the clandestine activities of RAW in the report include:
    • A car bomb explosion in the Saddar area of Peshawar on 21 December 1995, which caused the death of 37 persons and injured over 50 others.
    • An explosion at Shaukat Khanum Hospital on 14 April 1996, claiming the lives of seven persons and injuries to over 34 others.
    • A bus traveling from Lahore to Sahiwal was blown up at Bhai Pheru on 28 April 1996, causing the deaths of 44 persons on the spot and injuring 30 others.
    • An explosion in a bus near the Sheikhupura Hospital killed nine persons and injured 29 others on 08 May 1996.
    • An explosion near Alam Chowk, Gujranwala on 10 June 1996 which killed three persons and injured 11 others.
    • A bomb exploded on a bus on GT Road near Kharian on 10 June 1996, killing 2 persons and injuring 10 others.
    • On 27 June 1996, an explosion opposite Madrassah Faizul Islam, Faizabad, Rawalpindi, killed 5 persons and injured over 50 others.
    • A bomb explosion in the Faisalabad Railway Station passenger lounge on 8 July 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 20 others.
    Another startling claim made by the American report is that it was RAW that was behind the hijacking of an Indian airliner to Lahore in 1971, "attributed to the Kashmiris, to give a terrorist dimension to the Kashmiri national movement".
    The report continues: "During the course of its investigation the Jain Commission received testimony on the official Indian support to the various Sri Lankan Tamil armed groups in Tamil Nadu," the report reveals.
    From 1981, RAW and the Intelligence Bureau, according to the report, established a network of as many as 30 training bases for these groups in India. Centres were also established at the high-security military installation of Chakrata, near Dehra Dun, and in the Ramakrishna Puram area of New Delhi.
    The report says that RAW and the Ministry of External Affairs are provided Rs. 250 million annually as "discretionary grants" for foreign influence operations. "These funds have supported organisations fighting Sikh and Kashmiri separatists in the UK, Canada and the US," it says.
    If further reveals: "An Extensive network of Indian operatives is controlled by the Indian Embassy in Washington, DC whose covert activities include the infiltration of US long distance telephone carriers by Indian operatives, with access to all kinds of information, to blackmail relatives of US residents living in India".
    Citing an example, it says that in 1996, an Indian diplomat was implicated in a scandal over illegal funding of political candidates in the US. Under US law foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to federal elections.
    The US District Court in Baltimore sentenced Lalit H. Gadhia, a naturalised US citizen of Indian origin, to three months imprisonment. Gadhia had confessed that he worked as a conduit between the Indian Embassy and various Indian-American organisations for funnelling campaign contributions to influence US lawmakers.
    Over US $46,000 from the Indian Embassy was distributed among 20 Congressional candidates. The source of the cash used by Gadhia was Devendra Singh, a RAW official assigned to the Indian Embassy in Washington, the report says. It adds that illicit campaign money received in 1995 went to Democratic candidates including US Senators Charles S Robb (D-VA), Paul S. Sarbanes (D-MD) and US Representatives Benjamin L Cardin (D-MD) and Steny H. Hoyer (D-MD) -- (May 24, 1998)'.



    #2
    >>According to it, India is funding the current upsurge of terrorism in Pakistan "and has been behind the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis, which has resulted in thousands of deaths in the last few years."

    Yes and there are a few indians here on Gupshup who like to try this tactic as well.

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      #3
      Xtereme and that tactic works every time, even though we all know where it’s coming from and it’s objectives we still fall for it, so who should be blamed for that?
      RAW etc. only hits on our soft or in this case stupid spots; it’s an easy and foolproof policy.

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        #4

        hmm...

        >The report has been prepared by the innocent sounding Federation of American Scientists (FAS) <

        being a PNS veteran, i've seen this article a dozen times. "FAS" - does sound quite credible in the first look i'd like to point out what i feel are some gaping instances of misinformation in the article.

        >RAW has had limited success in dealing with separatist movements in Manipur and Tripura in the northeast, Tamil Nadu in the south<

        Tamil Nadu never had a separatist movement in India, the separatist movement is in Sri Lanka (LTTE).

        >RAW, it adds, has failed to neutralise freedom fighters in Kashmir and similar indigenous movements in Kerala, Karnataka and other places<

        i come from kerala. never heard of a separatist movement, let alone one that hasnt been neutralized! never heard of any movement in karnataka either.

        Here is something kmailik conveneantly forgot to post, the sources from which FAS has condensed its "intelligence" report!

        ------------------------------------------
        Sources and Methods
        The Game Of Foxes: J-K Intelligence War Manoj Joshi Times Of India, July 16, 1994
        'Prabhakaran said he did not trust either RAW or the ministry of external affairs' N Dixit
        Babus We Can't Afford
        India has established Terrorist Training Camp in Qadian by Farooq Adil Special Weekly Takbeer Report December 25, 1997
        Indian spy trial reopens in December in Boston Court USA. Khalistan Calling WASHINGTON D.C., Nov 6 1996
        Embassy Pumped Money To US Political Race By MURALI RANGANATHAN The Times of India [1996]
        TIGER INTERNATIONAL By Anthony Davis 15th August 1996 -- How a secret global network keeps Sri Lanka's Tamil guerrilla organization up and killing.
        'Rajiv said he would secure Eelam for Prabhakaran' By: Coomi Kapoor The Island - 21st December 1997
        Indian Spy Agency's `Machinations' Viewed: FBIS-NES-96-245 Islamabad THE MUSLIM, 18 Dec 96 p 6
        Article Sees RAW Behind Bombings : FBIS-TOT-97-017-L Peshawar The Frontier Post, 4 Feb 97 p 6
        Studies Blame Indian Spies for `Terrorism' : FBIS-NES-95-048 Islamabad THE NEWS 12 Mar 95 p 11
        ---------------------------------------------

        Newspaper reports!! thats where the great FAS gets its garish intelligence reports from.


        and if all that didnt quite convince you enough that the FAS is just a joke, take a look at it's report on ISI activities. you'll have a jolly laff.

        Simple ain't easy.

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          #5

          w/o talking 'bout the authenticity of either of the reports, there can be no denial about the nefarious role, India played in the separation of East Pakistan! or can there be??

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            #6
            Mr Queer..

            You doubt the authenticity of this report. Not even you can deny that there are strong separatist movements, in almost all the non-Hindu states of India i.e Kashmir, Punjab, Assam, Nagaland, Tripura, Meghalya, Mizoram, Manipur. As for Kerala and the Dravidian states of the south - all the political parties of the four southern states are regionalist language based parties who emphasise their culture and langauages (Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Malaylam etc) and agitate against the use of Hindi and the North Indian domination. When India falls apart an independent 'Dravidisdtan' taking in a quarter of India's poulation will be created.

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              #7
              Hello.. you get your newspapers that late?

              Man, this news is 30 years old. Change your delivery carrier.

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                #8
                Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence [ISI]
                This is the ISI report by FAS

                The Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence [ISI] was founded in 1948 by a British army officer, Maj Gen R Cawthome, then Deputy Chief of Staff in Pakistan Army. Field Marshal Ayub Khan, the president of Pakistan in the 1950s, expanded the role of ISI in safeguarding Pakistan's interests, monitoring opposition politicians, and sustaining military rule in Pakistan.
                The ISI is tasked with collection of of foreing and domestic intelligence; co-ordination of intelligence functions of the three military services; surveillance over its cadre, foreigners, the media, politically active segments of Pakistani society, diplomats of other countries accredited to Pakistan and Pakistani diplomats serving outside the country; the interception and monitoring of communications; and the conduct of covert offensive operations.

                The ISI has become a state within a state, answerable neither to the leadership of the army, nor to the President or the Prime Minister. The result is there has been no real supervision of the ISI, and corruption, narcotics, and big money have all come into play, further complicating the political scenario. Drug money is used by ISI to finance not only the Afghanistan war, but also the proxy war against India in Punjab and Kashmir.

                The Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee deals with all problems bearing on the military aspects of state security and is charged with integrating and coordinating the three services. Affiliated with the committee are the offices of the engineer in chief, the director general of medical service, the Director of Inter-Services Public Relations, and the Director of Inter-Services Intelligence.

                Staffed by hundreds of civilian and military officers, and thousands of other workers, the agency's headquarters is located in Islamabad. The ISI reportedly has a total of about 10,000 officers and staff members, a number which does not include informants and assets. It is reportedly organized into between six and eight divisions:
                Joint Intelligence X (JIX) serves as the secretariat which co-ordinates and provides administrative support to the other ISI wings and field organisations. It also prepares intelligence estimates and threat assessments.
                The Joint Intelligence Bureau (JIB), responsible for political intelligence, was the most powerful component of the organisation during the late 1980s. The JIB consists of three subsections, with one subsection devoted to operations against India.
                The Joint Counter Intelligence Bureau (JCIB) is responsible for field surveillance of Pakistani diplomats stationed abroad, as well as for conducting intelligence operations in the Middle East, South Asia, China, Afghanistan and the Muslim republics of the former Soviet Union.
                Joint Intelligence / North (JIN) is responsible for Jammu and Kashmir operations, including infiltration, exfilteration, propaganda and other clandestine operations.
                Joint Intelligence Miscellaneous (JIM) conducts espionage in foreign countries, including offensive intelligence operations.
                The Joint Signal Intelligence Bureau (JSIB), which includes Deputy Directors for Wireless, Monitoring and Photos, operates a chain of signals intelligence collection stations along the border with India, and provide communication support to militants operating in Kashmir.
                Joint Intelligence Technical
                In addition to these main elements, ISI also includes a separate explosives section and a chemical warfare section. Published reports provide contradictory indications as to the relative size of these organizational elements, suggesting that either JIX is the largest, or that the Joint Intelligence Bureau is the lrgest with some sixty percent of the total staff. The Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) is the ISI's main international financial vehicle.

                The Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence is of particular importance at the joint services level. The directorate's importance derives from the fact that the agency is charged with managing covert operations outside of Pakistan -- whether in Afghanistan, Kashmir, or farther afield. The ISI supplies weapons, training, advice and planning assistance to terrorists in Punjab and Kashmir, as well as the separatist movements in the Northeast frontier areas of India.
                The 1965 war in Kashmir provoked a major crisis in intelligence. When the war started there was a complete collapse of the operations of all the intellience agencies, which had been largely devoted to domestic investigative work such as tapping telephone conversations and chasing political suspects. Ayub Khan set up a committee headed by General Yahya Khan to examine the working of the agencies.

                The ISI has been deeply involved in domestic politics and, has kept track of the incumbent regime's opponents. Prior to the imposition of Martial Law in 1958, ISI reported to the Commander-in-Chief of the Army (C-in-C). When martial Law was promulgated in 1958 all the intelligence agencies fell under the direct control of the President and Chief Martial Law Administrator, and the three intelligence agencies began competing to demonstrate their loyalty to Ayub Khan and his government. The ISI and the MI became extremely active during the l964 presidential election keeping politicians, particularly the East Pakistanis, under surveillance.

                The ISI became even more deeply involved in domestic politics under General Yahya Khan, notably in East Pakistan, where operations were mounted to ensure that no political party should get an overall majority in the general election. An amount of Rs 29 lac was expended for this purpose, and attempts were made to infiltrate the inner circles of the Awami League. The operation was a complete disaster.

                Mr. Bhutto promoted General Zia-Ul-Haq in part because the Director of ISI, General Gulam Jilani Khan, was actively promoting him. General Zia, in return, retained General Jilani as head of ISI after his scheduled retirement. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto established the Federal Security Force and gave it wide-ranging powers to counter the influence of ISI, but the force was abolished when the military regime of Zia ul-Haq seized power in 1977. When the regime was unpopular with the military and the president (as was Benazir Bhutto's first government), the agency helped topple it by working with opposition political parties.

                The ISI became much more effective under the leadership of Hameed Gul. The 1990 elections are widely believed to be rigged. The Islami Jamhoori Ittehad [IJI] party was a conglomerate formed of nine mainly rightist parties by the ISI under Lt General Hameed Gul to ensure the defeat of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) in the polls. Gul denies this, claiming that the ISI's political cell created by Z.A. Bhutto only 'monitored' the elections.

                The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan made Pakistan a country of paramount geostrategic importance. In a matter of days, the United States declared Pakistan a "frontline state" against Soviet aggression and offered to reopen aid and military assistance deliveries. For the remainder of Zia's tenure, the United States generally ignored Pakistan's developing nuclear program. Pakistan's top national security agency, the Army's Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, monitored the activities of and provided advice and support to the mujahidin, and commandos from the Army's Special Services Group helped guide the operations inside Afghanistan. The ISI trained about 83,000 Afghan Mujahideen between 1983 to 1997 and dispatched them to Afghanistan. Pakistan paid a price for its activities. Afghan and Soviet forces conducted raids against mujahidin bases inside Pakistan, and a campaign of terror bombings and sabotage in Pakistan's cities, guided by Afghan intelligence agents, caused hundreds of casualties. In 1987 some 90 percent of the 777 terrorist incidents recorded worldwide took place in Pakistan.

                The ISI continues to actively participate in Afghan Civil War, supporting the Talibaan in their fight against the Rabbani government.


                ISI is currently engaged in covertly supporting the Kashmiri Mujahideen in their fight against the Indian authorities in Kashmir. Reportedly "Operation Tupac" is the designation of the three part action plan for the liberation of Kashmir, initiated by President Zia Ul Haq in 1988 after the failure of "Operation Gibraltar." The designation is derived from Tupac Amru, the 18th century prince who led the war of liberation in Uruguay against the Spanish rule. According to a report compiled by the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) of India in 1995, ISI spent about Rs 2.4 crore per month to sponsor its activities in Jammu and Kashmir. Although all groups reportedly receive arms and training from Pakistan, the pro-Pakistani groups are reputed to be favored by the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence. As of May 1996, at least six major militant organizations, and several smaller ones, operate in Kashmir. Their forces are variously estimated at between 5,000 and 10,000 armed men. They are roughly divided between those who support independence and those who support accession to Pakistan. The oldest and most widely known militant organization, the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF), has spearheaded the movement for an independent Kashmir. Its student wing is the Jammu and Kashmir Students Liberation Front (JKSLF). A large number of other militant organizations have emerged since 1989, some of which also support independence, others of which support Kashmir's accession to Pakistan. The most powerful of the pro-Pakistani groups is the Hezb-ul-Mujahedin. The other major groups are Harakat-ul Ansar, a group which reportedly has a large number of non-Kashmiris in it, Al Umar, Al Barq, Muslim Janbaz Force and Lashkar-e Toiba, which is also made up largely of fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan. According to press reports, several hundred fighters from Afghanistan and other Muslim countries have also joined some of the militant groups or have formed their own. The Harakat ul-Ansar group, a powerful militant organization which first emerged in 1993, is said to be made up largely of non-Kashmiris.
                ISI is reported to operate training camps near the border of Bangladesh where members of separatist groups of the northeastern states, known as the "United Liberation Front Of Seven Sisters" [ULFOSS] are trained with military equipment and terrorist activities. These groups include the National Security Council of Nagaland [NSCN], People's Liberation Army [PLA], United Liberation Front of Assam [ULFA], and North East Students Organization [NESO]. ISI is said to have intensified its activities in the southern Indian States of Hyderabad, Bangalore, Cochin, Kojhikode, Bhatkal, and Gulbarga. In Andhra Pradesh the Ittehadul Musalmeen and the Hijbul Mujahideen are claimed to be involved in subversive activities promoted by ISI. And Koyalapattinam, a village in Tamil Nadu, is said to be the common center of operations of ISI and the Liberation Tigers.

                Sources and Methods
                Inter-Services Intelligence Model Homepage
                ISI and its Chicanery in Exporting Terrorism Maj Gen YASHWANT DEVA AVSM (Retd): The Indian Defence Review, © 1997 by Lancer Publishers & Distributors.
                Role of the Military in Politics in Pakistan Armughan Javaid
                The Aristocrat and the General Indranil Banerjie SAPRA INDIA MONTHLY Bulletin Jun-Oct 1996
                The Game Of Foxes: J-K Intelligence War Manoj Joshi Times Of India, July 16, 1994
                Pan-Islamic Fundementalism Exporting Terror India Today, May 15, 1994
                Pan-Islamic forces funding militancy Ritu Sarin The Indian Express September 28, 1996
                "This Secret Agency's Name is Infamous" by Sunil Sharma New Delhi JANSATTA 27 Nov 94 page 1 -- ISI Said Behind Widespread Terror, Violence -- Infamous Past, Active Present : JPRS-NEA-94-059 : 27 November 1994
                "How Intelligence Agencies Run Our Politics" by Altaf Gauhar The Nation 17 Aug 97 p 4 [Pakistan: Writer Exposes ISI's Role in Politics : FBIS-NES-97-230 : 18 Aug 1997 ]
                "In This Way, The Net of ISI is Spread" by Priyaranjan Bharati New Delhi JANSATTA 27 Nov 94 page 1 [ISI Said Behind Widespread Terror, Violence -- Power, Influence Increasing: JPRS-NEA-94-059: 27 November 1994]
                "How to retaliate against this proxy-war" by Kranti Kumar Sharma Delhi Jansatta 30 Jan 97 p 4 [Article Views Pakistani `Spy' Activities: FBIS-NES-97-021 : 30 Jan 1997]

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                  #9
                  New approach to Kashmir issue

                  AFTER a meeting in Shillong, recently, the Indian Prime Minister gave the credit of decades old insurgency in the north east of India to Pakistan. It was just as Pakistan gave credit to India for converting East Pakistan into Bangladesh or credits to India for bomb blasts or ethnic and sectarian violence in present day Pakistan.

                  The rulers and politicians of both these countries should know that unrest and insurgency happen only when the people of an area feel politically, socially and economically deprived and the rulers lack the acumen and sagacity to diagnose the causes and lack the competence to find a remedy with political wisdom and with vision. One never finds prosperous communities with political empowerment, rising up in arms against the state.

                  If Indian and Pakistani rulers' theory of involvement of ISI and RAW in each other's country is accepted, then one could question why ISI couldn't promote insurgency in west Bengal, Maharashtra and Gujrat or RAW doesn't promote a separatist insurgency in Pakistani Punjab? Or how RAW succeeded in sowing seeds of political discontent in Saraiki belt of the same Punjab? There is a lot to learn for the leaders of these two neighbouring countries from Sri Lanka to know what political deprivation can lead to - a total ruin.

                  It is time to learn from the Chinese experience of handling of more obstinate province of Taiwan. Despite Taiwan's America-promoted obstinacy, China is growing economic links with the province and is doing roaring business without losing patience and is waiting for peaceful reunification instead of sending an army to quell the rebellion. It is just as China waited for peaceful reunification of Hong Kong and Macao and did roaring business with Britain and Portugal during waiting time of about fifty years. Had military solution been preferred, Chinese would be as deprived as Indians and Pakistanis.

                  India and Pakistan both agree that their bone of contention is Kashmir. So the leaders of the two countries should sit down across a table to find a solution but giving priority to the Kashmiris' wishes and their welfare, on both sides of the LoC and in the meantime establish and strengthen economic and social ties between the two unnecessarily estranged neighbours, India and Pakistan.Towards the solution, the following is suggested: number one, give full autonomy straightaway to Kashmiris on both sides of LoC to handle all the state affairs without interference from India or Pakistan except foreign relations, defence and currency; number two, LoC is abolished (only) for the Kashmiris, who should have full authority to regulate their mutual relations through a joint council; number three, India and Pakistan should also have a joint committee or council to regulate their mutual relationship in Kashmir matters. To ensure that it is done in a way not to harm the Kashmiris' aspirations, Kashmiris of both sides should have representation on India-Pakistan Kashmir committee or council. Give this experiment a long timeframe of not less than a decade before the Kashmiris decide their own fate.

                  In the meantime, both the countries - India and Pakistan - should strengthen mutual economic relations by doing business with each other; reduce, in stages in direct proportion to the confidence built, their unnecessary, in fact counter-productive, expenditure on defence and invest the huge savings so made, on wiping out illiteracy and poverty, repairing neglected infrastructure and thereby improving standard of living on both sides of the border; and encourage social intercourse between the two peoples to strengthen mutual confidence.

                  Both the countries should remember that neighbours can go on fighting till eternity but would still remain neighbours. It was such a realization which brought France and Germany closer together after fighting many bloody wars. Therefore, the two countries should find a solution instead of giving credit to ISI and RAW for political and social unrest.

                  GHULAM KIBRIA AND

                  B.M. KUTTY

                  Karachi
                  DAWN Feb.2, 2000

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                    #10
                    RAW might be involved in the seperation movement of East Pakistan, but the reasons were provided by us. If we had not misbehaved with our brethrens over in East Pakistan, RAW would not have suceeded. Having said that this report proves what I have been saying all along --- that Indian government is one of the biggest initiators of state sponsored terrorism anywhere in the world.

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                      #11

                      >Not even you can deny that there are strong separatist movements, in almost all the non-Hindu states of India i.e Kashmir, Punjab, Assam, Nagaland, Tripura, Meghalya, Mizoram, Manipur. <

                      the catch lies in what you want to call "strong" separatist movt. Assamese population is 70% hindu. the movements of the north-eastern states are not of religious origin, the movements were reasonably strong in the early eighties, and were resolved by changes in the govts devptal policy towards the region.

                      would you qualify the separatist movements in NWFP, sindh and the moujahir homeland demands as "strong"?

                      >all the political parties of the four southern states are regionalist language based parties who emphasise their culture and langauages (Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Malaylam etc)<

                      lets take kerala, since that's my state. there isnt a single party which emphasizes on malayalam usage. infact, the two strong political parties are the communist party and the congress, the only parties that can be called regional would be the muslim league and a breakaway faction of the congress. the situation in Karnataka is similar - the janata dal, congress and BJP being the parties.

                      in Tamil Nadu and AP, the situation is slightly different, they have regional parties, but they are allied with national parties and have ample representation in the parliament.

                      >and agitate against the use of Hindi and the North Indian domination. <

                      the language issue was a problem only in tamil nadu, and it's been resolved with dravidian leaders nowadays making use of hindi in their speeches. whats this "north-indian domination" issue? never heard of it.

                      >When India falls apart an independent 'Dravidisdtan' taking in a quarter of India's poulation will be created.<

                      there is no such movement, it exists only in your dreams. wake up, or else it'll be sindhudesh, jinnahpur and pakhtunwah which'll be turning independent.
                      Simple ain't easy.

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                        #12
                        Okay, sofar ISI and RAW. What about American CIA and the Russian KGB? Don't tell me that these agencies are not operative in Pak.

                        Fata Morgana

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