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    Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

    Public denial of the Holocaust is a criminal offence in Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Switzerland, and is punishable by fines and jail sentences

    Interesting debate in Times of London.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...1941_1,00.html

    It's time for these laws to go, and for the true freedom of expression that so many lecture others about to be applied.

    #2
    Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

    I totally agree.

    I assume since you are such a staunch proponent for free speech that you also do not want laws limiting newspapers on what cartoons they are allowed to publish?

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      #3
      Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

      Does questioning the so called facts over the Holocaust consitute insulting the Jewish faith or even Jews?

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        #4
        Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

        Originally posted by Reza Pahlavi
        Public denial of the Holocaust is a criminal offence in Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Switzerland, and is punishable by fines and jail sentences

        Interesting debate in Times of London.

        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...1941_1,00.html

        It's time for these laws to go, and for the true freedom of expression that so many lecture others about to be applied.

        Its because of freedom of speech silly, All the above countries are a shinning example of freedom of speech. BTW what was that young Iranian President saying? There were only 5 million suckers in Europe but Europeans killed 6 million... Is this some kind of Jewish math or something?

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          #5
          Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

          I agree completely. Since you are a champion of "true freedom of expression", you should also support the right of newspapers to publish cartoons they choose to.

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            #6
            Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

            Originally posted by Reza Pahlavi
            Does questioning the so called facts over the Holocaust consitute insulting the Jewish faith or even Jews?
            Oh, so you aren't advocating free speech, you just have a problem when it affects Muslims and not Jews.

            You want selected freedom of expression, not true freedom of expression.

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              #7
              Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

              ^

              Did you even care to examine what I said? Does questioning the Holocaust constitute insulting Judaism? After all we hear the term anti-semite! banded about so often by so many Jew supporters.

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                #8
                Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                I believe that these laws were created shortly after the war so that they could go in and break up hate groups as they were worried that they could cause strife in the country and possible inflitrate the government. Remember they had an elected madman rile up the entire country supporting the banishment of Jews and those feelings just don't go away after the war is over hence the laws.

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                  #9
                  Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                  Originally posted by mo293
                  Its because of freedom of speech silly, All the above countries are a shinning example of freedom of speech. BTW what was that young Iranian President saying? There were only 5 million suckers in Europe but Europeans killed 6 million... Is this some kind of Jewish math or something?
                  That is too true mo. When was the last time you saw an article in any mainstream American or European newspaper questioning the so-called Holocaust facts? When was the last time ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News or NBC gave due coverage to people who dispute the facts so often repeated about the Holocaust?

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                    #10
                    Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                    It is a crime simply because it was viewed as a form of hate speech, which is illegal in many countries such as the United States. The people of those countries felt that it was such a heinous form of hate speech that their legislatures took specific step to ban it. Denying the horrific murders of six million people is a way of mocking one of the most horrific events in the history of humanity.

                    It is essentially the equivalent of saying that an event essentially a million times worse than Sabra and Shatilla can be ignored because those Muslim people don't count. Do you get it now?

                    How come Muslim people are so hyper-sensitive about their issues, but are essentially clueless about the issues of other people?
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                      #11
                      Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                      Originally posted by underthedome
                      I believe that these laws were created shortly after the war so that they could go in and break up hate groups as they were worried that they could cause strife in the country and possible inflitrate the government. Remember they had an elected madman rile up the entire country supporting the banishment of Jews and those feelings just don't go away after the war is over hence the laws.
                      So you support these laws?

                      Israel has such laws as well.

                      Are you saying that Jews in Israel previously elected a madman that riled up the country supporting the banishment of Jews

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                        #12
                        Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                        Originally posted by Reza Pahlavi
                        ...for the true freedom of expression that so many lecture others about to be applied.
                        This is the most important part to focus on.

                        It is ironic that the freedom to critice religion is being championed in countries that are opposed to freedom to question history.
                        Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
                        Al-Ghazali

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                          #13
                          Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                          Originally posted by Reza Pahlavi
                          ^

                          Did you even care to examine what I said? Does questioning the Holocaust constitute insulting Judaism? After all we hear the term anti-semite! banded about so often by so many Jew supporters.
                          No I don't think it does. But you are asking for selective freedom of expression. If someone had to worry about offending someone every time they wrote, spoke or drew something there would be no freedom of expression. You are not entitled by law the freedom from being insulted.

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                            #14
                            Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                            No I have done nothing to support these laws.

                            As OG said it's part of the hate laws these countries have, what aren't you grasping?

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                              #15
                              Re: Why should Holocaust denial be a crime?

                              ^
                              Don't you think the term "anti-semite" is rather over used? In fact is it not used to snuff out the free opinions of people who have legitimate questions about the Holocaust, Israel, and Judaic beliefs?

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