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    Islamabad will come to the negotiating table, you wait and see - Farooq Abdullah

    'Islamabad will come to the negotiating table, you wait and see'

    Varsha Bhosle

    Your relationship with the National Democratic...

    The prime minister has made it very clear: I'm a special invitee to the NDA.
    We have our own existence as the National Conference. And on
    issue-basis, we have supported them in the last government. We will do the
    same thing in the future.

    Why did Saifuddin Soz...

    I think Soz wanted a ministry and I would not try for his ministry in the NDA

    That's it? Not because, as he said, "the BJP is fundamentalist"?

    I have my firm belief that if you continue to call people fundamentalist, you
    will only make them further fundamentalist. In the BJP there are people who
    realise what India is all about. That India has to remain secular. That is the
    only hope in hell for India to progress; that all religions in India have equal
    opportunity to progress. That is what we have tried, the same thing.
    Otherwise, there are severe fundamentalists even in Congress! And other

    In the Congress?

    Yes! YES! They may show a secular face in front, but are communal to the

    Please name one.

    No, I don't want to. But there ARE.

    Mr Soz had said that he tried to convince you to abstain from voting
    till midnight of April 16.

    He's lying. He had already met Mrs Sonia Gandhi. He had already decided
    with Surjeet, who is his mentor.

    You're kidding me!

    I swear to you, I will never lie. God is my guide when I tell you these things.
    Harkishan Singh Surjeet is the one who was his mentor, who made him do
    all these things. Why is he supporting him [Soz] when the Communists have
    nothing here? Why is Congress supporting him if he was not part of Mrs
    Sonia Gandhi's plan?

    Mr Soz is slated to take Baramulla.

    Time will show... Those who stab the party are never popular.

    Mr Soz said you are always busy in "extra-curricular activity" and
    "involved in frivolous things."

    I have a golf club right there. My doctors have ordered to me to walk
    because I've become partially diabetic, I suffer from gout, I suffer from
    hypertension. So once a week if I get time, I go to the golf course and walk
    a bit. I've been told to do it everyday -- I can't. I don't booze, I don't smoke
    -- in WHAT way is Farooq Abdullah frivolous? I leave [for work] in the
    morning, I'm back at night. Even my home has improved only since my
    daughter-in-law has come. People say all sorts of things, that's the tragedy
    of our times.

    How would you bring the Kashmiri Pandits back? The Panun
    Kashmiris have now asked for a Union Territory.

    What's the use of a Union Territory? To get there and to come out, they'll
    have to pass through the rest of the Kashmiris. How will they feel? How
    many such lands will you make tomorrow in the rest of the country? And
    Muslims in India will want probably, in every state, a separate entity. How
    can you deny them then? Tomorrow Parsees might ask for a separate
    homeland. Are you going to carve that out for them? How many homelands
    are you going to create?

    So, how will you bring the Pandits back?

    We've told them, for god's sake, COME HOME! Other Hindus are living in
    the state, in their homes, in the villages! All facilities that we're giving you in
    Jammu, we'll give you here. We've worked it out with the government. Mr
    Advani worked out a package in which we said that we will bring them
    home, make their homes. Gradually people are coming. I do not say the
    whole lot is coming in one go, but slowly, the trickle has started. I hope to
    God they'll come and establish their home again. That wave [of terrorism]
    came. That wave is over!

    How can you say it's over?!

    Why not! I wish you'd come here 6 years ago, you'd have seen the amount
    of bunkers that were here. At twenty places you were checked. And the
    shops here used to close at 4 o'clock. Today, you can walk and shop at 10
    o'clock. Marriages take place at night, too. Don't you SEE the hustle and

    But today even army camps are being attacked!

    That's a different matter. That's a different war they [Pakistan] have
    started. That war is going on; it is not a change.

    The Centre has refused to give you additional security forces for the

    Where from are they going to give me the extra forces? After all, they have
    to guard the border against the very enemy who opened Kargil. They are
    guarding the border all the way from the Chinese front to the Pakistani front;
    in J&K, in Punjab, in Haryana, in Gujarat, in Rajasthan, right up to Kutch. If
    they could give me more, they would.

    I should also be realistic: one can be greedy, ask for the whole thing. You
    should see India in totality, rather than just one small state of Kashmir, and
    say, no, everything should come here. It's not possible.

    Lt Gen Hoon has said that border fencing is a waste of money.

    Unfortunately, we've had a lot of problems because they [Pakistan] started
    shooting and shelling, but we went on. It's not so easy, with Pakistan. In
    Punjab, it's done a world of good.

    Islamabad has stated that it will not talk to India if Kashmir is not the

    They have been saying it all the time, but they have been [talking]. They
    will come to the negotiating table, you wait and see.

    How can you be so sure?

    I know them! When India exploded the atomic bomb in 1974, Pakistan broke
    off the talks, and then Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto told me himself
    that please tell Mrs Gandhi that we will start talking in August. So, this is all
    for local consumption. They WILL talk. Pakistan and India have no other
    way than to talk and find a peaceful solution.

    Do you think a peaceful solution is possible?

    War is destructive; no sane person wants it. But if it is thrust, you can't
    escape it. When it started, we went with it, and by the grace of God, we got
    victory and we also got international support. We did not cross the Line of
    Control when we COULD cross it. We did not use the mass destruction
    equipment that we have. The world realised that we were not at fault. India
    has NEVER started wars.

    You know what the sentiments of the people were, when I went with the
    home minister to many areas? They said, for god's sake, for 50 years we've
    had enough trouble. Now for once, let us get rid of it. Aar ya paar -- that
    was the sentiment of common man. He said, I may have thousand
    complaints against Farooq Abdullah's government, I may have thousand
    complaints against the Indian government, but today we're not going to talk
    of those complaints. We want a final settlement. This was the sentiment of
    the people on the border. They are SICK of it.

    I don't see a possibility.

    One day it will come. Nobody knew that one day Russia and America can
    sit together and America will help the Russian economy. Did you ever think
    that the Berlin Wall would disappear? It did happen.

    Do you think that PoK will ever be re-united with Kashmir?

    I think, Inshallah, a time will come when a better relationship will exist
    between India and Pakistan. I don't think Kashmir will be one. But at least
    the line will be easier. That people will be able to come and go and marry
    and have trade.

    No government, whichever it may be, will make the LoC the
    International Border.

    Time will make them do so. Wait and see. It is the only solution that can
    work. Or, we'll have such a bloody war... I said this in '93 in America, when
    they asked me what is the solution.

    With Indians, it's a very emotional issue - with the people, not just

    It's unfortunate. But if you explain to them... Jinko darr lagta hai Kashmir
    aane se, even as part of India, what do you think people here feel then?

    Death can come only in Srinagar or Gulmarg? If it's meant for you, it will
    come anywhere. It's the principle of Nature.

    Yeah! Farooq Abdullah is very very correct


      It's just a shame Farooq Abdullah can't persuade the people of Kashmir that he is correct. Even with the aid of 700,000 paramilitaries torturing and raping the subjects of Kashmir into coercion still India and her puppet farooq Abdullah have not broken their spirit. This is because the lion does not bow before the jackal...even if he is out-numbered.