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  • Aryan
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    Mr Ehsan you are frequently calling "hijraas raping woman" now hows that possible. I don't think a hijraa is capable of raping. Well in your opinion a hijraa can rape, maybe you have been raped by a hijraa.

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  • BombayKid
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    First of all Jaswant Singh, our External Affairs minister appeared on "Hard Talk" and his performance was much better than that of Sartaj Aziz.
    Secondly, it's kinda funny to hear about human rights from a Pakistani. Take a look at Karachi first before lecturing us on human rights. Your shameless politicians fail to condemn "honor killings" in your country and you accuse us of human rights violation. Get your house in order first before pointing fingers at others. The Pakistani army's performance in Bangladesh against unarmed women and children is wellknown throughout the world. Our army was fighting on two fronts and still could win the war in a matter of 10 days !!

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  • ehsan
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    They are there because the hijraas are voilating their women and children. Till such time as these merchants of terror and killers and rapists of innocent women and children are in Kashmir they will be dealt with by the Mujaheedin's. The world press accuses your terrorist army of rape, try reading world press rather than the inept indian press giving one sided stories. As for 1971 the hijraas won due to the backing and sabotage of the Bengalis. On their own they would have never succeded. To think they call themselves the fourth largest army in the world, certainly, but in one respect they are number one, in looting raping and killing innocent womwn and children. Facts are there for everyone to see, whether you like it or not. Did you see your defence minister on hard talk, he was not able to answer satisfactorily questions about allegations of rape and killing of innocent women in Kashmir.

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  • chammo
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    are we talking about the "pathetic" indian army that kiked Pakistani army's rear end in the 1971 war?

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  • queer
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    Ehsan,

    The Indian army's gruesome deeds on women and children appear only in Pak. urdu newspapers, i wonder why!

    There have been isolated reports of soldiers raping women, Indian army isn't exactly full of angels, but let me assure you, it is nothing like what your papers make it sound.

    The Indian army has been quoted by several HR organizations as being guilty of abductions,summary executions and torture. Terrorists get terrorizing treatment, it's only justice (reminds you of your friends, Talibans?).

    If indeed the foreign merceneries ("mujahideen") actually did care for the Kashmiris, why would they continue their terrorism in the valley which has resulted in the Army's entry into the place? The answer is they are fighting because they are paid by their masters in Pakistan to maintain an atmosphere of belligerence in Kashmir.
    The world is slowly coming to know of this, and if continued in the next decade, the cost of sponsoring terrorism is going to be heavy on Pakistan, financially, socially and diplomatically.

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  • ehsan
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    Queer instead of putting the word mujahadeen you should have said the hijaraas from the indian army. That is what they do best, killing womwn and children.

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  • queer
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    When it comes to blowing their own trumpet,issuing threats and throwing grenades at women and children the "mujahideen" are the best!

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  • BombayKid
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    We were told that the Mujahideen are the same people who drove the mighty Soviets from Afghanistan....after intense battle for so many years. After just two months, inspite of all the advantages of modern weaponry supplied by the Pakistani army and with full backup provided by the Pakistani army, these very Mujahideen were made to lick dust. The sight of them waving white flags of surrender were truly pathetic !!

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  • ZZ
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    What is a victory? Achieving the objective. The guys who occupied hills had to run. This is what Indian army did in what Washington Post described as "one of most difficult soldiering operation anywhere in the world". They were taken by surprise. True. Agressors always have advantage of surprise. But your PM ran cap in hand to washington on the day Tiger hills fell to get best bargain out of what had become a misadventure. Your newspapers were predicting that you will stand there till winter, break road to Siachen and blah blah. Despite advantage of height, tide turned and the adventure ended.

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  • ehsan
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    If this was a victory by the pathetic indian army than i don't want to read about their defeats. A fully armed army against a few mujahedeen and suddenly these brave rapists and killers of kashmiri women and children found out they were fighting real man and that's why it took them two months to dislodge a few of them. I won't call it victory but the most incompetent and pathetic dispaly by a bunch of hijraas anywhere in the world.

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  • queer
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    [oops]

    [This message has been edited by queer (edited August 04, 1999).]

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  • BombayKid
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    Mr. Xtreme.....you're totally right. Indian soldiers reputation as brave soldiers has been furthur enhanced. Climbing high mountain ridges with 30-50kgs of ammunition and then fighting for 12-13 hours requires unbelievable endurance which has been acknowledged by military experts worldwide. Casualties are bound to be there in anywar......the job was to kick the Pakistani soldiers and foreign mercenaries out and that has been acomplished. The fact that you have lost explains the general feeling of humiliation in your country and euphoria in India. Nawaz Sharif would not have bowed to American pressure if the Pakistani soldiers would have still been on the ridges. He HAD to bow down because his soldiers were being kicked out from peak after peak. The Indian army made sure that before he met Clinton, the last peak was retained.
    Had Pakistan been winning there was no way he would have bowed down. It was the effort of the Indian army that made sure he went down on his knees. It was a great sight !!

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  • queer
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    Akif wrote:

    >against a small mujahid force of several hundred..<

    Why are you still bent upon lying? The "small mujahid force" happens to be three or four regiments of the Northern Lights Infantry aided by the Chitral Scouts. Equipped with Stinger missiles, top class snow gear, stocked with the best food, and ferried reinforcements by Pak. army's own helicopters.

    Probably just 700, but they were in no mood for a straight fight, occupying heights above Indian Army positions and still managed to be evicted.

    >.and still the mujahideen havent moved an inch.<

    True, the Pak.army has been evicted, the "mujahideen" leaders havent budged from their homes.

    Xtreme wrote:

    >Indian jawaans are real heroes (snigger).<

    No doubt about that! Didn't they throw out the Pak. Army disguised as merceneries in spite of occupying disadvantageous postions?

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  • Mr Xtreme
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    Yes yes. Indian jawaans are real heroes (snigger). There reputation as brave soldiers is established world-wide I am sure.

    Don't laugh, I'm serious. Honest.

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  • Akif
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    an army of one million equipped with laser guided bombs and missiles...against a small mujahid force of several hundred....and still the mujahideen havent moved an inch.
    youre right. vijayinkargil
    i can still see indians tying up their dead ones and rolling them down the mountains, because they didnt have the resources to take their dead ones down humanely.
    And heres another sign for you that might make you embrace Islam as your way of life. train wreck in india......one bogie filled with indian army soldiers...all killed.
    Allah ki laathi be-awaaz hoti hai.

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