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    Advani in PAK! (merged)

    what do u think of this, where are we headed as a nation when our rulers invite a peson who conspired to kill the Quaid and was behind babri masjid destruction?

    Re: Advani in PAK!

    When that person is also very powerful he becomes worth trying to influence. Pakistan needs to try and make sure Advani is as unhostile to pakistan as possible in case he one day takes power again - besides which, Pakistan can at least try to persuade him away from hard line policies.

    I fully support the government's actions, because snubbing Advani would not be in Pakistan's interest.

    Incidentally, while he was implicated in the assasination plot on the Quaid, the allegations were never proven in a court of law, I believe.
    Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.


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      In the same policy pursuit, General Musharraf declared Sharon as a courageous leader.

      I guess mass murder of unarmed Palestinian men, women and children in Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps, does qualify for 'Courage' as much as mass muder and rape of Bengali ppl in 1971
      Compulsory course for fundos: Gitmo Diversity training


        Re: Advani in PAK!

        And do not forget that he is always backing Modi in Gujarat.


          Re: Advani in PAK!

          we should exchange musharuff for advani.


            Re: Advani in PAK!

            Originally posted by rvikz
            we should exchange musharuff for advani.
            No need. Let Pakistan retain Advani without exchange!


              Re: Advani in PAK!

              Can anyone share some info on the assasination plot details. as i recall last having read anything abt it, he was never proven guilty as MS said above. he is also said to have been invloved in some other conspiracy, cant recall what that was.
              His roots are from Pakistani Sindh and he'd be visiting Sindh soon.
              Lets see how his meetings with PM and PM go...

              as far as having him over for discussions is concerned, whats wrong with that no matter what he has done or what views he holds...that's how politcs works...dont all world leaders including Indian ones wag their tails everytime Bush the massacre master, who makes Hitler seem like an angel, is in the vicinity...?


                Re: Advani in PAK!

                Mussaraf provided school certificate, now he should provide copy of FIR which names advani in the plot to kill Qauid-e-Azam
                There is always a moral in every story


                  Lal Krishna Advani in Pakistan

                  Peace only option,Indian politician says in Pakistan
                  31 May 2005 14:26:48 GMT

                  Source: Reuters

                  (Writes through with fresh quotes after meeting with Musharraf)

                  By Tahir Ikram

                  ISLAMABAD, May 31 (Reuters) - Indian opposition leader Lal Krishna Advani, blamed by many Pakistanis for the breakdown of peace efforts between the two countries four years ago, said peace was the only option between the nuclear-armed rivals.

                  Speaking to reporters after meeting Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf, Advani said both had agreed that the tentative peace process launched last year should be made "irreversible".

                  "It has been my conviction that it is in the best interest of the people of Pakistan and the people of India if peace and normalcy is established between these two countries," he said.

                  Advani said he told Musharraf that the two countries, which have fought three wars since winning independence from Britain and came close to a fourth in 2002, had no alternative other than to seek peace.

                  "My own view is that peace is the only option, there is no other option."

                  Advani is president of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and a member of its ideological parent, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, which is known for its anti-Pakistan stance and perceived bias against Muslims and Christians.

                  Advani's hawkish tendencies were blamed by many in Pakistan for the collapse of peace talks between the Musharraf and former Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee in 2001 when the BJP was in power in New Delhi.

                  But Advani said his party was fully behind efforts to maintain momentum in the peace process.

                  Advani also met Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz and said he had agreed with Aziz that progress on all issues between Pakistan and India should move in tandem with progress on Kashmir, the Himalayan region which is the major bone of contention.

                  Last week, the two sides failed to make progress towards demilitarising the Siachen glacier, the world's highest battlefield, where their troops have been facing each other since the 1980s.

                  They also reported no progress on resolving a boundary dispute over the Sir Creek estuary in the Arabian Sea.

                  Advani has been trying to dispel his image of a hardline Hindu nationalist in recent years, and his visit to Pakistan comes three days before a historical trip by separatist leaders from Indian Kashmir across the frontier.

                  Advani said any solution on Kashmir should be acceptable to the different communities living in the region.

                  Advani, who arrived late on Monday for a week-long visit, was born and spent the first 20 years of his life in what later became Pakistan in the bloody partition of the subcontinent in 1947.

                  He is due to visit his old school in Pakistan's southern city of Karachi later this week.



                    Re: Lal Krishna Advani in Pakistan

                    Whats the mood in India about this trip..especially in the NDA?
                    How can a man die better than facing fearful odds for the ashes of his fathers and the Temple of his Gods?


                      Re: Lal Krishna Advani in Pakistan

                      No mood to speak of AFAIK. This is much less of a deal for India as opposed to Pakistan and especially Musharraf.

                      The Indian policy towards Pakistan and especially Kashmir is based on all party consensus - no territory concessions, no compromise with jihadis and talks within the above framework.

                      Advani is in Pak because Musharraf can tell his Corps Commanders that the entire Indian policy spectrum is focused on peace with Pakistan. That gives them a comfort level.


                        Advani is Coming to my Town...

                        Well not exactly my town but my area, specifically the Katas temple area which is about ten miles from the Kalar Kahar exit on the motor Way. Only stone's thrw away from my village im proud to say
                        Although its probably not going to be as idlic as it is now since they are now building SIX cement factories and possibly a new Air force base in the area
                        'Demolition man' to build bridges

                        By Aamer Ahmed Khan
                        Pakistan's ruling party hopes a planned temple trip by India's visiting opposition leader will help heal religious scars from more than 10 years ago.

                        India's Bharatiya Janata Party leader LK Advani will tour the ancient temple ruins at Ketas, 100km (65 miles) south of the capital, Islamabad, on Thursday.

                        The event is part of a landmark visit to Pakistan, where some call Mr Advani "demolition man" for his alleged role in the 1992 destruction of the Babri mosque at Ayodhya.

                        Dozens of derelict temples in Pakistan were razed to the ground by enraged religious zealots in the immediate aftermath of the mosque's destruction.

                        The world has seen us tearing down temples and mosques - it must now see us in a new and tolerant spirit

                        Organiser Yusuf Salahuddin

                        Mr Advani is spending a week in Pakistan at the invitation of ruling party president, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain.

                        Pakistani officials say the temple visit will be an unprecedented goodwill gesture - given Mr Advani's image in the country.

                        'Goodwill politics'

                        It is being billed as a firm reminder that the days of tearing down each other's places of worship are now history.

                        The destruction of the Babri mosque sparked widespread riots

                        "The main objective is to ensure that goodwill prevails," Yusuf Salahuddin, a Lahore-based socialite who floated the idea, told the BBC News website.

                        "The world has seen us tearing down temples and mosques, it must now see us in a new and tolerant spirit."

                        Mr Salahuddin - who was part of Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain's delegation that visited Delhi recently - says the idea first came up during that trip.

                        "We invited Mr Advani to visit the Luv Temple in Lahore," he says. Legend has it that the Luv Temple was built by Lord Rama's son Luv, after whom the city of Lahore is said to be named.

                        "We chose that temple because it has historically been protected by Muslims," says Mr Salahuddin.

                        Mr Hussain told India media: "This is the only solution to the Babri dispute.

                        Ketas is said to have been first populated in 1300 BC

                        "Instead of demolishing temples to avenge the destruction of the Babri Masjid, it is better to construct a temple and ask Advani to inaugurate it."

                        The first protective wall around Luv Temple was built by Muslim ruler Alauddin Khilji, and another was later raised by Emperor Aurangzeb.

                        Plans were changed, however, when it turned out that the site was also reputed to house Luv's grave. "It just didn't feel right to play the politics of goodwill on a grave," says Mr Salahuddin.

                        Lake of tears

                        The Ketas ruins date back to the times when Buddhism was losing ground to Brahminism in this part of the world.

                        Far away from Pakistan's densely populated and polluted cities, the temple has a history that more than matches the romance of its idyllic surroundings.

                        The temple for Luv may also contain his grave

                        It is said that the site was first populated by the Pandavas, fleeing from the fierce Kauravas during the epic battle of Mahabharata about 1300 BC.

                        It subsequently passed into the hands of Buddhists and according to Chinese historian Hiuen Tsiang, the great Maurayan king Ashoka raised a stupa here in around 285 BC.

                        With the decline of Buddhism across much of northern India, the site came under Hindu influence.

                        "It is said that when Lord Shiva's wife Satti died, he was so stricken by grief that his tears formed two lakes - one in Ajmer in India and the other at Ketaksha in what is now Pakistan," says Pakistan's celebrated historian, Salman Rashid.

                        Ketaksha literally means "raining eyes" and is the origin of Ketas, the modern name of the site.

                        Pakistani archaeologists have for long lamented the sorry state of preservation of this ancient site.

                        They are now hoping that it may finally benefit from Mr Advani's visit - a peace dividend of sorts that few in the sub-continent could even have imagined a few years ago.


                          Re: Lal Krishna Advani in Pakistan

                          Indo-Pak peace irreversible: Advani

                          * Says change in govts don’t matter
                          * Kashmir solution should be acceptable to all Kashmiris
                          * Claims Babri Mosque demolition was ‘saddest day’
                          * Peace process taken over by people: Musharraf
                          * Solution to Kashmir should reflect aspirations of all stakeholders: PM

                          By Shahzad Raza

                          ISLAMABAD: Known for his anti-Pakistan stance, Lal Krishna Advani said on Tuesday that a change in either the Indian or Pakistani governments would not hamper the peace process because it had become ‘irreversible’.

                          “We (Musharraf and Advani) have observed that the peace process is irreversible,” he told a press conference after holding separate meetings with President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz to discuss bilateral issues including Kashmir.

                          “The peace process has now been taken over by the people. It is no longer confined to the governments,” he quoted President Musharraf as telling him during the meeting. The Indian leader also called the meeting a milestone.

                          The former Indian deputy prime minister and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) president said the dialogues process to resolve all disputes including Kashmir should continue in tandem.

                          “Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and I have developed a good understanding. The objective is clear, but the end solution is still not clear. A lot of focussed preparatory work is needed,” he quoting President Musharraf as saying.

                          Advani said the Pakistani president was keen on meeting the Indian prime minister in September in New York on the sidelines of the annual UN General Assembly session. He said peace was the only option before both countries given the kind of hostility and tension between them during the last 57 years.

                          “Here I emphasise that there must be peace and normalcy in Indo-Pak relations for the welfare of the people. The Indian government wants to resolve all issues including Kashmir,” he added.

                          Any eventual solution to the Kashmir dispute would have to be acceptable to all diverse communities and sections of opinion within Kashmir, he said.

                          Advani, who is still blamed for the Agra Summit failure in 2001, said the purpose of his visit was to strengthen the peace process between both countries. “I am sure my visit will reinforce the peace process,” he added. Manmohan’s government was pursuing the dialogue process started during the former NDA government, he said, adding that the BJP being an important political party still played a key role in the peace process.

                          About whether he admitted the Indian government was not matching pace with Pakistan in terms of proposing and implementing confidence-building measures, he said the Indian government was responding well. He said India wanted a tangible solution to the Kashmir dispute.

                          About whether both countries could set a timeframe for resolving Kashmir, Advani said he could not specifically reply to the question because his party was not in the government.

                          He said the real breakthrough in relations came when Atal Behari Vajpayee and President Musharraf met on the sidelines of the last SAARC Summit in Islamabad. He said the Pakistani president had shown great courage by issuing a joint statement criticising terrorism. He said President Musharraf had informed him that the people of the Northern Areas were demanding the opening of a bus route between it (Northern Areas) and Kargil.

                          Oh, everything's too damned expensive these days. This Bible cost 15 bucks! And talk about a preachy book! Everybody's a sinner! Except this guy.


                            Re: Advani is Coming to my Town...

                            interesting history pp.

                            btw whats with this guy Yousuf Salahuddin? I swear he's involved in every single social event that ever takes place in the country or even outside that involves anyone prominent, be it politicians or celebrities...he happens to be a rich guy with enough investments around to lounge around and just often seems he's the govt's official entertainer. he entertained the Wadias, Gandhis... has this popular old haveli in old lahore where he hosts mega events every now and then, close friends include Imran Khan, Sheikh saab and you name it from the showbiz industry...btw, he happens to be Allama Iqbal's maternal grandson and has mentions of his name in the famous book the title of which goes translated into English something as 'from parliament...'
                            lifetyles of the social elite...


                              Re: Advani in PAK! (merged)

                              two guys who have been responsible for genocide against muslims, now mush is hailing them? how much more begherat can we get when we cant even question him on this?