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    The US used Pakistani airspace for the drone attack that killed Zawahiri

    Say the analysts, and the main stream media within Pakistan. From an absolute technical standpoint, there is no other way for a short mile drone to be able to reach Afghanistan other than launching it from Pakistan itself

    South China Morning Post
    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/polit...chief-ayman-al

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...kistan-taliban

    Next door neighbor
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/93307339.cms

    Then again, no surprises here considering the sheepishly designed sellouts representing us as a country bowing their heads down to defend Uncle Sam fully knowing the same Uncle Sam funds Israel to cause mayhem in Palestine

    #2
    No denying this guy was responsible for creating Taliban Pakistan, bombing Marriot Hotel, bombing the Egyptian consulate. He deserved every bit of what was coming his way. The rumors circulating suggesting Pakistan has played a part in his killing however is enough to warrant new attacks on Pakistani civilians

    Ooper se, when aunty Umme Hareem aka Mariam Nawaz was asked live on a show if the Pakistani airspace was used, she had the audacity to say no Pakistani land space was used. Ulu ki paunchi huwi pathi se sawal airspace ka kiya gaya aur jawab land space ka aya..

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      #3
      I do believe Pakistani airspace was provided to the Yankis. All those Muslims who have facilitated in such things will no doubt go to hell. Certainly such Muslims doubt what is in Sura-e-AlMaida about the punishments in hell for exactly such people. I don't think civilian leaders have much say in these matters though. Not trying to make fun of or taunt anyone's pain and agony due to a disease like Amyloidosis, but Gen (R) Pervaiz Musharraf's final days in this world and what's ahead for him despite having all the worldly wealth he has got should be a reminder to every single one of us:

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        #4
        ^ You indirectly did taunt the general for his disease. Point is, Musharaf was ten folds more of a honorable COAS than the current one has proven to be. Lal masjid was a legitimate fully armed threat near the diplomatic enclave in the center of Islamabad's red zone, the male chief running the place had to wear a burka in his quest to escape only to be caught while exiting is a story worthy of a book, if not a movie. Musharaf sent one of his officers to negotiate with Bugti inside his mountain based cave, only for the officer to be executed. The same Bugti was in the previous months constantly blowing up Sui's gas pipelines in Balochistan demanding for his monetary commissions and/or bribes, leaving the country with pretty much no gas since much of it would come from that particular region

        Aren't we all imperfect in the grand scheme of things though, and possibly be guilty of making some of the most atrocious mistakes in our lives? Musharaf was no different, just another imperfect being, yet a honorable gentleman who served his country in the best way he could. To think he's made a fortune is to say a clown is happy to be doing what he does to entertain the cheering crowd. His son and daughter do well on their own, never chose to come in the limelight even if they had the means to

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          #5
          ^^^ How else could I have brought up Former Chief Executive and President and COAS Gen (R) Musharraf's incurable and painful disease to be seen as a lesson? Please educate me.

          If you think what Musharraf did was good or he had no option then it is fine. I no longer argue over such things. Everyone has to go into their own grave and there will be no lying there.

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            #6
            Is that Sanjay Dutt?! Is he turning Musharraf into an Indian puppet on camera?

            Oh also wanted to say good of Pakistan to have helped in killing Zawahiri, he was not good for anyone.
            Simple ain't easy.

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              #7
              Originally posted by queer View Post
              Is that Sanjay Dutt?! Is he turning Musharraf into an Indian puppet on camera?

              Oh also wanted to say good of Pakistan to have helped in killing Zawahiri, he was not good for anyone.
              Absolutely Not !
              I don't like PTI, nor IK but I'm with their take on the issue from Day 1. Pakistan never had a suicide blast before 2002, lost more than 1 lac lives, tens of thousands got injured, economy suffered over $150 Billion losses. Any and all participation in US's wars has only brought humiliation and suffering for Pakistan. I hope Pakistan does not forget the lesson from 2005 earthquake, and prevent US from creating it's intelligence network inside Pakistan this time using relief operations as cover.

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                #8
                Originally posted by decentGuy View Post

                Absolutely Not !
                I don't like PTI, nor IK but I'm with their take on the issue from Day 1. Pakistan never had a suicide blast before 2002, lost more than 1 lac lives, tens of thousands got injured, economy suffered over $150 Billion losses. Any and all participation in US's wars has only brought humiliation and suffering for Pakistan. I hope Pakistan does not forget the lesson from 2005 earthquake, and prevent US from creating it's intelligence network inside Pakistan this time using relief operations as cover.
                Turning against the Taliban and receiving massive blowback was the unfortunate consequence of supporting the Taliban in the first place.
                Should have kept their hands off in the first place instead on indulging in fantasies of strategic depth.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by krash View Post

                  Turning against the Taliban and receiving massive blowback was the unfortunate consequence of supporting the Taliban in the first place.
                  Should have kept their hands off in the first place instead on indulging in fantasies of strategic depth.
                  Can't do anything about this slave mentality of aligning Pakistan's interests with America's interests at any and all costs.

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                    #10
                    Musharaf actually played a double volley considering the few choices he was given at the time. China wasn't as big of a super power so to speak thus his best choice was to help the emotionally wrecked (US) instead of looking them in the eye

                    General agreed to help US achieve their targets instead of opting to see his country be "bombed back to stoneage", and simultaneously instructing the army command to keep the Taliban in loop of whatever was to come their merry ways. If he had not have done that Pakistan would have been targeted a 100x more times already

                    Talib --> Student
                    Taliban --> Troops of students

                    Talib ilm in urdu
                    Taliban in pashto

                    People who attacked the US were Al qaeda, not the students aka Taliban

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by decentGuy View Post

                      Can't do anything about this slave mentality of aligning Pakistan's interests with America's interests at any and all costs.
                      No. We don't have to align to anyone's interest. Only look after our own.
                      But our definition of our interest has been extremely short-sighted and counter-productive.

                      Was it in our interest to interfere in Afghanistan's civil war and support the Taliban?
                      We could have stayed out and let the Afghans resolve their own issues.

                      Instead we allied with the Taliban and supported them fully to come into power.
                      Then the Taliban harbored Al-Qaeda and the US turned against them.
                      What could we have done then? Stood by the Taliban and face the US?
                      We had to do a U-turn and face the wrath of the Taliban instead of facing the wrath of the US.

                      Why did we put ourselves in a position where we had to make this choice?
                      It was the short sighted militaristic vision of strategic depth as our national interest promoted by our military establishment that led us there.

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                        #12
                        Mustn't forget we're a small nation, and big eat small all the time. No offense but what would you have done say if it were your mother who is loved by millions being told she'd be roughed up? Emotions eclipsing logic is my guess

                        You think a army general like Musharaf willingly succumbed to the pressure put fourth by the US?

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                          #13
                          krash and Exoduss Fear of the US is the basis of all your arguments. Can't help it really.

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                            #14
                            decentGuy what is your opinion about what should have been done in 2002?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by krash View Post
                              decentGuy what is your opinion about what should have been done in 2002?
                              Pakistan should have said Absolutely Not!

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