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    #16
    Originally posted by decentGuy View Post

    Despite the present unpopularity of IK, public has a short attention span and can be manipulated. TV anchors like Rauf Klasra, Shahid Masood, Irshad Bhatti, Mubashir Luqman, etc. played key roles in selling the manjhan that brought IK to power have now conveniently apologized for their past stance and the public is still listening to them.

    No doubt the original PTI is long gone and most of those in its top ranks now are there for vested interests. The number of imported technocrats PTI appointed in key positions is unprecedented. From PCB to Petroleum to Finance to Power to State Bank, same story and same failures. Those folks will be out of Pakistan soon after their jobs end. No wonder governor State Bank finds devaluation of rupee beneficial for Pakistanis earning overseas. Hamid Mir has rightly commented that while his body is still in Pakistan but his mind has already taken off.

    I’ve heard many people saying what you’ve said about IK moving to London once he’s out of power because of the cases. I hope the next government shows maturity by breaking the cycle of political victimization through frivolous litigation and would not repeat the blunder of IK. Both PML-N and PPP have agreed to that in the charter of democracy.

    I heard that Hamid Gul once said that Imran will make big promises but eventually fail which will also be the final nail in the coffin for this current system.

    I don't disagree since Imran tried to use the hope and change platform of Obama to come in power. Obama learned very quickly for someone with no executive experience unlike Imran.

    There might be many flaws in his character but I think that there are two big flaws that have doomed him. One is that he thinks highly of himself since he was able to come up as a relatively ordinary player in the seventies to become the captain and was able to bed many English and even one American Sita White. You can see it at the height if the France blasphemy issue that he will make Europeans stop disrespecting our Prophet. Seriously, does he think that he is Ronaldo that he has star power in France to do it?

    The second flaw which can be fatal to the Pakistani state has to be his bipolar Taliban Khan personality. We all know that he likes hot women who speak English, not Meera style, and dress stylishly. His current marriage seems like a marriage for power but anyway, he tries to compensate for it by appearing "religious". I haven't seen it recently but you'll see that he would always be showing his tastes in interviews to show off this pseudoreligiousity. Personally, I could care less if he is a hypocrite but his actions now affect Pakistan. We can see how the federal and Punjab government have treated the TLP by first lying to them when they first agreed to present the demands of expelling the French ambassador in Parliament. Fawad Chaudhry called them militants but Sheikh Rasheed called them brothers while they killed policemen and caused property damage.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Doppelganger View Post
      I heard that Hamid Gul once said that Imran will make big promises but eventually fail which will also be the final nail in the coffin for this current system.
      I won't be surprised if Hameed Gul rightly predicted that. I used to debate with people the same thing when PTI was on the rise post-2011 Jalsa. I used to argue how incompetence is worse than corruption, and IK was incompetent. In Pakistan there was corruption but it was a cost overhead for getting things done and things were getting done. Even corruption itself was decreasing as per Transparence International. After PTI, the overhead cost due to incompetence is much higher than the overhead cost of corruption alone used to be, and very few things are getting done. Many people are glad PTI did not started any major construction project in Karachi, otherwise they would've done the same what they did to Peshawar:


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        #18
        Originally posted by Doppelganger View Post
        PPP has been done in very nice in Punjab by Zardari uncle.

        It pretty much leaves Maryam Nawaz. Nothing is gonna change since she will be more or less (emphasis on more) incompetent than the current setup. Hassan Nisar said this right when he said that people in our government learn how to how govern when elected. He was referring to the era of Bhutto. I have seen them only become "wise" when they are out of government.

        The only one who still has some brain cells left and is half competent in N league is Shehbaz but he has been sidelined by London escapee since political parties in Pakistan are like house or land that is passed down in the family. I know that there is some mistrust between army and Shareefs but Maryam can always patch it up. After all, the establishment has done her father a favor even in such bad times by allowing him to leave for London for "check up".
        Maryam Nawaz is the future PM imo though how far in future, we dont know. It depends upon how sooner they get things patched up with establishment cuz thats the only way for any party to come in power either way. With current army leadership it may not be possible since they are already in love with PTI but when the new layer comes, its gonna happen fosho
        Attitude is more important than facts.
        "Life is 10% what happens to us..and 90% of how we react to it"

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          #19
          Originally posted by SID_NY View Post

          Maryam Nawaz is the future PM imo though how far in future, we dont know. It depends upon how sooner they get things patched up with establishment cuz thats the only way for any party to come in power either way. With current army leadership it may not be possible since they are already in love with PTI but when the new layer comes, its gonna happen fosho
          OR

          Those who got her convicted and sent her to jail will get her killed if she continues to hurt their big egos.

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            #20
            She has been very deferential to the establishment if you have been paying attention in the last year. She knows where the bread is buttered in Pakistan.

            Independents in southern Punjab who decided to join PTI in 2018 can always re-join PML-n come next election. There is lot of goodwill in Punjab for noonies for all the kabab parathas and chinese projects that were started and/or completed in Nawaz's tenure. All the predatory loans from China be damned not that majority of Pakistani awam even has the mental capacity to understand the nuances be it worldly or religious matters.

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              #21
              Selectors seem to have a plan to counter PML-N in Punjab:



              PPP's most humiliating defeat ever happened in 2018 when Bilawal secured fewer votes than TLP's candidate and lost both seats from Lyari.

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                #22
                [QUOTE=Anwer Pasha;n16699859]Stage is set to say good bye Imran Khan

                Looks like stage broke for now.

                Quite sad that parties that used army and america to boost themselves to political prominence in the past are now chanting for democracy. Should have had the sense to say that when ZAB towed Gen Ayubs line, or when Nawaz Shrif tagged along Gen Zia, or when Benazir wrote letters to US politicians, appealing for help. PDM is a comedy show for now. Self serving morons trying to climb to prominence by stepping on each other......and end up crashing every time

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                  #23
                  Meanwhile after getting heavily grappled with inflation and shamlessly denying it, pakistani govt has come in terms with IMF.

                  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ggling-economy
                  Attitude is more important than facts.
                  "Life is 10% what happens to us..and 90% of how we react to it"

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by SID_NY View Post
                    Meanwhile after getting heavily grappled with inflation and shamlessly denying it, pakistani govt has come in terms with IMF.

                    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ggling-economy

                    Who 'denied' inflation? Its an international phenomenon affecting every country in the world. This was bound to happen as a result of COVID tax breaks, handouts, bankruptcies etc.
                    Coming to terms with IMF is not just for the $6 billion program. Its more so to open the doors to investors.

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                      #25
                      The latest negotiations with IMF were not for $6 Billion, but for $1 Billion. The loss to Pakistani economy due to accepting the various conditions of IMF alone would have already been much more than that with more losses to follow. Had IK and selectors not halted CPEC projects, there would have been no need to go to IMF.

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                        #26
                        The negotiations were for the reinstatement of the $6 billion program which was suspended, $1 billion is just the amount of the tranche ...as IMF funds are doled out in quarterly tranches.

                        Work on 3 projects was halted during PMLN tenure due to corruption. Other than that, there was a slowdown during Covid, but in general, CPEC projects are ongoing. No such thing as 'halted'. And no, CPEC projects wont eliminate the need for IMF. They serve 2 different purposes.

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                          #27
                          So you mean there will be no further negotiations within a year for the release of next $1 Billion dollars of this IMF program?

                          Can you refer to any complain of a Chinese company or Chinese official about those 3 projects that were halted under PML-N? On the contrary,
                          Chinese have been constantly crying about the ruin of cpec in last 3 years.

                          CPEC was about building some serious infrastructure in Pakistan. While IMF is for beggars. Indeed they serve 2 different purposes.


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                            #28
                            Originally posted by decentGuy View Post
                            So you mean there will be no further negotiations within a year for the release of next $1 Billion dollars of this IMF program?

                            Can you refer to any complain of a Chinese company or Chinese official about those 3 projects that were halted under PML-N? On the contrary,
                            Chinese have been constantly crying about the ruin of cpec in last 3 years.

                            CPEC was about building some serious infrastructure in Pakistan. While IMF is for beggars. Indeed they serve 2 different purposes.

                            As i said, IMF loan is disbursed in quarterly tranches. Every tranche is preceded by a review of the previous quarter. Its standard procedure. If IMF is satisfied, tranches continue. If not, program is suspended till conditions are fulfilled. Nothing spectacular about it.

                            As for project suspension during PMLN...
                            https://www.dawn.com/news/1376071
                            The wording was merely kept 'peaceful'. Otherwise, it was well known that the revision of the 'financial mechanism' referred to tackling corruption on Pak side.

                            As for 'crying about ruin of cpec', please be sure to mention you are quoting Mandviwala, a PPP clown, and not China.

                            Google CPEC slowdown, and all the hits you get are from indian media. This is media of the country that just gave a 'gallantry award' to Abhinandan for getting shot down

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                              #29
                              That is why I called the IMF negotiations successful only for the $1 Billion. In return Pakistan has devalued it's currency, increased rates of electricity, reduced subsidy on petroleum, etc. The actual payment of $1 Billion might happen after Jan 2022. On the side, Pakistan has allowed Indian goods to be transported to Afghanistan. Slowly but surely the compromises we've made with IMF will come to light.

                              I read the news article you shared about suspension of funding for 3 projects under PML-N. Neither of us know the actual reason behind that so shouldn't make guesses. IK was the one who bad mouthed CPEC from the days of his dharna and only now has realized it's importance. People like Khusro Bakhtiar and Asim Bajwa were fired after that realization. Too little, too late.

                              As far as PPP is concerned, it was Zardari who signed the first agreements and is founder of CPEC. Current Chairman CPEC authority, Khalid Mansoor also agreed to what Mandviwala said in the news article I shared. Chinese ambassador has not denied what Mandviwala said either.

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                                #30
                                THIS IS IN URDU
                                According to this Lahore Tv
                                Loan & dues of Pakistan before IK for previous 70 years were 298 kharab
                                IK made those 506 kharab in 3 years , so he added 206 kharab only


                                70
                                سال میں پراجیکٹ لگے ترقی ہوئی جنگیں ہوئیں سیلاب آئے طوفان آئے بڑے زلزلے آئے کرپشن ہوئی لوٹ مار ہوئی کل واجبات اور قرضے 298 کھرب روپے
                                پھر صادق اور امین آئے نہ ترقی نہ پراجیکٹ نہ سیلاب نہ جنگ نہ طوفان نہ کرپشن قرضہ 3 سال میں 206 کھرب روپے
                                کہاں گئے پتہ نہیں
                                عوام مہنگائی سے مرگئے

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                                پی ٹی آئی نے قرضے لینے کے اگلے پچھلے تمام ریکارڈ توڑ دئیے
                                سٹیٹ بینک کے مطابق ستمبر 2021 کے اختتام پر پاکستان کے قرضوں اور واجبات کا مجموعی حجم 504 کھرب 86 ارب روپے کی بلند ترین سطح پر پہنچ گیا،

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