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    The following quotes taken from international media sources prove
    beyond a shadow of doubt that when it comes to the man behind the
    machine, Pakistan's fighter pilots are simply THE BEST in the whole
    wide world:

    "This airforce(the PAF), is second to none"
    "The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a
    three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets
    and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the
    figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and
    counted the wrecks below." "They were really good, aggressive
    dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was
    damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. "
    (General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the
    General Chuck Yeager, famous USAF test pilot, on deputation in
    Pakistan as US Defense Representative. The PAF remains the only
    foreign air force in the world to have received Chuck Yeager's
    admiration - a
    recommendation which the PAF is proud of.

    "He was a formidable fellow and I was glad that he was Pakistani and
    not Egyptian"
    (Israel Air Force chief and ex-President Ezer Weizmen writing about
    PAF chief Nur Khan in his autobiography, On Eagles' Wings).

    "As an air defence analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air
    Force ranks today as one of the best air forces in the world and that
    the PAF Combat Commanders' School (CCS) in Sargodha has been ranked
    as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the
    world". As one senior US defence analyst commented to me in 1991, "it
    leaves Topgun (the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, California) far
    -Sergey Vekhov
    May 1993 issue (pages 46-47) of Airforces Monthly, a reputable
    UK-based air defence magazine.

    The PAF, although outnumbered by IAF(Indian Air Force), has at least
    one qualitative edge over its rival: Pilot Training. The caliber of
    Pakistani instructors is acknowledged by numerous air forces, and US
    Navy pilots considered them to be highly 'professional' during
    exercises flying off the USS Constellation (as co-pilots).

    -Jane's International Defense (June 24, 1998)

    "By all accounts the courage displayed by the Pakistan Air Force
    pilots is reminiscent of the bravery of the few young and dedicated
    pilots who saved this country from Nazi invaders in the critical
    Battle of Britain during the last war."

    Patrick Seale,
    The Observer, London,
    September 12, 1965.

    "Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian
    Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say
    that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but
    the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating
    these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those
    killings that can be checked from other sources."

    Roy Meloni,
    American Broadcasting Corporation
    September 15, 1965.

    The London Daily Mirror reported: "There is a smell of death in the
    burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces
    came to a dead stop.

    "During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find.
    But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

    "India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a
    nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population
    and three to one in size of armed forces."

    In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote: "Who can defeat a nation which
    knows how to play hide and seek with death".

    there's no doubt that PAF is one of the best airforces in the world. PAF has proved its mettle even in peace time and has an enviable flight safety record which is among the best in the world today.
    i salute the daring pilots, engineers, ait traffic controllers, technicians and all other men of honour who make up this elite force.
    lets pray that PAF keeps producing these men of valour who'd do anything for the sake of the nation.


      Originally posted by alizadeh2000:
      The following quotes taken from international media sources prove
      beyond a shadow of doubt that when it comes to the man behind the
      machine, Pakistan's fighter pilots are simply THE BEST in the whole
      wide world:

      There is an excellent book by a British author John Freaker (I hope I got the name right) The Battle of Pakistan. In the end he has summarized kill ratio PAF v IAF. Very interesting indeed PAF was always outnumbered out gunned by IAF but due to its pilots skill and valour IAF planes were blown out of the sky. (Sorry Indians these facts are from non Indian sources). There is an interesting article in AFM Airforce Monthly June issue. PAF is desprately trying to bridge the gap. The differnce is 3 to one. Aslo they are now trying to aquire BVR Beyond visual range capability.


        They are, no doubt, a group of very prestigious, well-educated folks. It's not just the good training, but also the valor, the organization with which they operate, the right kinda attitude, the dedication and sense of committment, which sets them apart.


          Excellent, thanks alot.

          Our's not to reason why,
          Our's but to do and die:
          You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!


            Yep...thats our PAF.

            remember israeli jets stationed in india, trying to bomb kahuta, and then running off with their tails tucked between their legs once Pak Air force left the ground in response?

            remember M.M. Alam? Had a chance of meeting up with one of his airmen the other day. It was a pleasure.


              yes guys thats really true men in blue r the ppl proud of their organisation n their hard work which they r doing in coping with the new challenges coming their way
              PAF is an organisation which is proud of its past and hoping for a very bright future
              we r proud of our paf which is keeping its promise with the father of the nation muhammad ali jinnah
              long live PAF



                PAF Combat Commanders School is one of the top trainin institutes in the world.

                US navy officials actually believe it is an improvement on top gun school.

                PAK FAZIA ZINDABAD
                PAKISTAN BAINDABAD


                  I wish I was in the PAF :-/ Always wanted to be...

                  whats the minimum age to get in btw? ;-)



                    [This message has been edited by who---me (edited July 02, 2001).]


                      Chuck Yeager and the Pakistan Air Force
                      An Excerpt from Yeager,
                      the Autobiography of General (Retd.) Chuck E. Yeager (USAF)

                      When we arrived in Pakistan in 1971, the political situation between the
                      Pakistanis and Indians was really tense over Bangladesh, or East Pakistan,
                      as it was known in those days, and Russia was backing India with
                      tremendous amounts of new airplanes and tanks. The U.S. and China were
                      backing the Pakistanis. My job was military advisor to the Pakistani air
                      force, headed by Air Marshal Rahim Khan, who had been trained in Britain
                      by the Royal Air Force, and was the first Pakistani pilot to exceed the
                      speed of sound. He took me around to their different fighter groups and I
                      met their pilots, who knew me and were really pleased that I was there.
                      They had about five hundred airplanes, more than half of them Sabres and
                      104 Starfighters, a few B-57 bombers, and about a hundred Chinese MiG-19s.
                      They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery
                      and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and
                      breathed flying.
                      One of my first jobs there was to help them put U.S. Sidewinders on their
                      Chinese MiGs, which were 1.6 Mach twin-engine airplanes that carried three
                      thirty-millimeter canons. Our government furnished them with the rails for
                      Sidewinders. They bought the missiles and all the checkout equipment that
                      went with them, and it was one helluva interesting experience watching
                      their electricians wiring up American missiles on a Chinese MiG. I worked
                      with their squadrons and helped them develop combat tactics. The Chinese
                      MiG was one hundred percent Chinese-built and was made for only one
                      hundred hours of flying before it had to be scrapped - a disposable
                      fighter good for one hundred strikes. In fairness, it was an older
                      airplane in their inventory, and I guess they were just getting rid of
                      them. They delivered spare parts, but it was a tough airplane to work on;
                      the Pakistanis kept it flying for about 130 hours.
                      War broke out only a couple of months after we had arrived, in late
                      November 1971, when India attacked East Pakistan. The battle lasted only
                      three days before East Pakistan fell. India's intention was to annex East
                      Pakistan and claim it for themselves. But the Pakistanis counter-attacked.
                      Air Marshal Rahim Khan laid a strike on the four closest Indian air fields
                      in the western part of India, and wiped out a lot of equipment. At that
                      point, Indira Gandhi began moving her forces toward West Pakistan.
                      China moved in a lot of equipment, while Russia backed the Indians all the
                      way. So, it really became a kind of surrogate war - the Pakistanis, with
                      U.S. training and equipment, versus the Indians, mostly Russian-trained,
                      flying Soviet airplanes.
                      The Pakistanis whipped their [Indians'] asses in the sky.
                      The air war lasted two weeks and the
                      Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made
                      Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain
                      about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and
                      counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks on Pakistani soil, documented
                      them by serial number, identified the components such as engines, rocket
                      pods, and new equipment on newer planes like the Soviet SU-7
                      fighter-bomber and the MiG-21 J, their latest supersonic fighter. The
                      Pakistani army would cart off these items for me, and when the war ended,
                      it took two big American Air Force cargo lifters to carry all those parts
                      back to the States for analysis by our intelligence division.
                      I didn't get involved in the actual combat because that would've been too
                      touchy, but I did fly around and pick up shot-down Indian pilots and take
                      them back to prisoner-of-war camps for questioning. I interviewed them
                      about the equipment they had been flying and the tactics their Soviet
                      advisers taught them to use. I wore a uniform or flying suit all the time,
                      and it was amusing when those Indians saw my name tag and asked, "Are you
                      the Yeager who broke the sound barrier?" They couldn't believe I was in
                      Pakistan or understand what I was doing there. I told them, "I'm the
                      American Defense Rep here. That's what I'm doing."
                      India flew numerous raids against the Pakistani air fields with brand new
                      SU-7 bombers being escorted in with MiG 21s. On one of those raids, they
                      clobbered my small Beech Queen Air that had U.S. Army markings and a big
                      American flag painted on the tail. I had it parked at the Islamabad
                      airport, and I remember sitting on my front porch on the second day of the
                      war, thinking that maybe I ought to move that airplane down to the Iranian
                      border, out of range of the Indian bombers, when the damned air-raid siren
                      went off, and a couple of Indian jets came streaking in overhead. A moment
                      later, I saw a column of black smoke rising from the air field. My Beech
                      Queen was totaled. It was the Indian way of giving Uncle Sam the finger.
                      I stayed on in Pakistan for almost a year after the war ended, and it was
                      one of the most enjoyable times of my life. From 1972 until we came home
                      in March 1973, I spent most of my time flying in an F-86 Sabre with the
                      Pakistani fighter outfits. I dearly loved the Sabre, almost as much as I
                      enjoyed the P-51 Mustang from World War II days. It was a terrific
                      airplane to fly and I took one to see K-2, the great mountain of Pakistan
                      and the second highest mountain in the world, about an hour's flight away
                      [from Islamabad] at over 28,000 feet.
                      It's a fabulous peak, as awesome and beautiful as any on earth, located in
                      the middle of a high range that runs the length of the Chinese-Pakistani
                      border. We actually crossed over into China to get there, and I've got
                      some pictures of me in my cockpit right smack up against the summit. I
                      made two or three trips up to K-2 - real highlights. I also did some
                      bighorn sheep hunting in the Himalayan foothills. Susie owned a little
                      Arabian mare. She took her horse when I went hunting and actually learned
                      some of the Urdu language of the mountain people.

                      Copyright © 1985 by Yeager Inc.


                        I read this and think about the life I almost had. I would have gone on to PAF academcy if my eyesight had not kept me from it, was a disappointment coming this close and not being able to continue. Some of my friends and family members made it and I envied them, am happy for them and proud of them. They truly are the best of class.
                        Your friendly neighbourhood fraudiya loafer luccha lufanga awara ayaash aubaash ghunda badmaash man


                          very good indeed. keep it up!


                            From what I understand due to the improved training facilities and exchange programs the program is even better than before.
                            The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.


                              Two days ago, I attended a wedding of a friend who is a pilot with the PAF and flies Chinese Migs (bombers). He recently went to Turkey on official exchange/training, and according to him, PAF Pilots are highly regarded by the Airforces all over the world for their professionalism and killer instinct. I have a number of relatives who have served in the PAF and they are (in my opinion) very humble and extremely patriotic. You will find a sticker on the PAF Pilot’s cars which reads “the only profession money can’t buy – PAF Pilot”, and I honestly believe in that. My only criticism of the PAF is that it has not furnished influence to the Pak Army with it’s professionalism. I only wish that our Army was like our Airforce.