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    PAF challenges?

    I was on the BHARAT-RAKSHAK forum and if there news is correct(I doubt it), it looks like PAF's technological supriority over India is fast evaporating. India is purchasing Sukhois from Russia which one of the best fighters on the planet. I don't know what the PAF is doing in this regard!

    Are we relying more on our Missile systems ?(Ghauri, Shaheen) cuzz I know we can kick some major HINDU A$$ with that.

    Also what is the deal with the new purchases? F-7 - How good is it against a Sukhoi?? and what about the SUPER 7? How is it going to provide us with an advantage over the enemy?

    Also what about the NAVY ?? I think our Submarine arm is the only advantage we have our the ENEMY. Our surface fleet is OLD!! What is happening in this regard? We can't rely completely on our submarines!

    Enlighten Me!
    Thanks


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    [This message has been edited by Lashkar-e-Abbas (edited March 08, 2001).]

    #2
    PAF was never bigger or Technologically
    superior to IAF. I would say both Airforces
    are almost same technologically. IAF is
    though much larger in terms of numbers. But
    it is high standards and moral of Pakistan
    Airforce jawaans that makes a big difference
    in the battlefield. in 1965, PAF lost only 10 Aircrafts
    to 111 of Indian Airforce. Indian Airforce
    looses a big number of crafts in accident
    becasue of bad and low quality maintancance.
    (even though IAF has one of the biggest
    Aircraft to man ratio). The Super 7 (FC-1)
    project sould be completed by the year 2004,
    PAF has 150+ aircrafts on order. The Aircraft
    is almost as capable as f-16 or Mirage 2000.

    Pakistan and india, both navies are using old
    naval crafts. India do have some large
    vessels like the about to be aquired russian
    WW2 aircraft carrier. But, india would not
    bring this slow ship near Pakistan sea limit
    as it would be the last day for everything
    belong to this vessel (an easy target for
    missiles that Pakistan navy have).

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      #3
      To get all the info, you got to check with the Military ops specialist.
      Outlaw man where are you???
      Enlighten us please.
      plus search for some of the old posts, as we have discussed the navy and F-7 before.

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        #4
        I was just wondering what Pakistan's strategy is to counter these Indian moves! They are importing like 200 Sukhois (State of the Art Fighters) and we are getting F-7s and Super 7s which I read at (Pak Defence News) cannot match the Sukhoi!
        And to top that off, we have less of them too!
        We are outnumbered and are getting outclassed too, if my information is correct.
        Sure their military doesn't even compare with our jawans, but the point of the matter is, before they didn't have much greater aircrafts than us. But now with the induction of Sukhois, I can smell some trouble at the doorstep!

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          #5
          Originally Posted by Lashkar-e-Abbas

          I was just wondering what Pakistan's strategy is to counter these Indian moves! They are importing like 200 Sukhois (State of the Art Fighters) and we are getting F-7s and Super 7s which I read at (Pak Defence News) cannot match the Sukhoi!
          And to top that off, we have less of them too!
          We are outnumbered and are getting outclassed too, if my information is correct.
          Sure their military doesn't even compare with our jawans, but the point of the matter is, before they didn't have much greater aircrafts than us. But now with the induction of Sukhois, I can smell some trouble at the doorstep!
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            #6
            That's true, but I don't think we would wanna do that knowing the great muslim populations in India. We wouldn't wanna affect them in anyway, because they are still our brothers (Pakistan was created for them... too bad they couldn't run fast enough to join Pakistan when the Hindutva was going on a rampage)
            Anyways, another question!
            What's up with our missile capability? I have heard the Shaheen 2s range is going to be increased to 3600 km with an increased pay load. That lets us target all of India. And the precision is supposed to be 99.2%.
            While India's Agni IIs precision is 93% or something. That could translate into quite a bit of deviance!

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              #7

              the S-7 multi-role fighter has the spec and capability to beat the pants off the ruskie crap.

              it has also employeed advanced western european avionics and weapon systems and has a fly-by-wire system and a brilliant design givin it suberb agility.

              At the end of the day PAF instructs its pilots with the motto "train to fight and fight to kill" that is why though outnumbered it has always defended our homes.

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                #8
                PJ....is it S-7 or F-7...PAF does'nt have any S-7, if S-7 even exhists.....

                Well F-7 is definetly one of the most well equipped planes out there. PAF recently ordered 30-40 planes....more to come in later years.


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                  #9
                  I think by S-7 he means, the Super 7.

                  I heard that the Super 7 project has landed into some problems due to sanctions. According to my information Pakistan will have to settle for Chinese Avionics (which I heard Suck compared to the ones we were supposed to acquire)

                  Also I would like some statistics if someone can provide 'em, about the S-7's and F-7's comparability against the Sukhois which India is acquiring (about 200 or something).

                  Thanks


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                    #10
                    I guess Pakistan should avoid a war with India or any body. All this Indian equipment will be obsolete some day , all the new technology today will be out dated one day. I guess let them keep buying more tech. Waste more money.

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                      #11
                      http://www.indiamonitor.com/dn101100.htm#pak
                      (From an Indian site... I dunno about that authenticity of the information)

                      Pak to roll out 150 fighter jets, tilt balance

                      The Pakistan Air Force will have an edge over the Indian Air Force (IAF) by the end of year 2003 when 150 FC-1 fighter jets start rolling out of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, near Ismalabad. These jets will be an improved version of MIG-33.

                      The designs of MIG-33 were acquired by China from Russia in 1998 shortly before the Kargil war and passed on to General Parvez Musharraf who was visiting China then.

                      Costing Pakistan 15 million dollars per jet, these planes will be fitted with the Klimov Design Bureau (Russian company) RD-93 engines. They are a more powerful version of RD-33 engines fitted in MIG-29 jets flown by the IAF, the forthcoming edition of Security and Political Risk Analysis (SAPRA) journal reveals.

                      SAPRA is a non-governmental security think-tank of serving armed force officers and security analysts.

                      The deal to manufacture 150 FC-1 (Fighter China) jets was struck when General Musharraf visited China just before the Kargil war. He reportedly told the Chinese that the Pakistan Air Force was in a bad shape and urgently needed new generation of jets.

                      A Chinese company named Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation then approached the Russians and purchased the design of the MIG-33. The Russian company Mikoyan OKB Design Bureau, which designs all MIG series of aircraft, gave the design of MIG-33 to the Chinese, the Pakistan and China had earlier entered in a joint venture to manufacture a fighter jet named Super-7. The

                      project, however, never took off thereby causing concern amongst the Pakistani military strategists. They, therefore, approached the Chinese in 1998 and managed to bag the design for an improved version of MIG-33 named FC-1.

                      This aircraft will be fitted with RD-93 engine, Russian made air-to-air missiles and fly-by-wire system besides avionics from a third party. Pakistan is likely to opt for a western firm for fitting avionics, the journal claims.

                      The Pakistan Air Force, at the moment, has 20 operational squadrons comprising the Chinese versions of MIG-19s and MIG-21s. The 20-squadron fleet also includes two squadrons of 40 F-16s. These aircraft, however, are now ageing and Pakistan failed to purchase the advanced version of F-16 from the United States of America.

                      The indigenously manufactured FC-1s will give Pakistan an edge over the IAF in the next five years, security strategists say. The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) prototype of India, meanwhile, is yet to be tested. Its approval and subsequent production and induction into the IAF will take at least seven years, experts explain.

                      China has also embarked upon a massive modernisation plan of its air force. It will acquire and manufacture more than 300 SU-27 and SU-30 fighter jets. This will see China gaining air superiority over India by the year 2007. Incidentally, the IAF, till now, is considered superior to their Chinese counterparts, analysts say.

                      India has 35 operational squadrons including MIG-21, MIG-29, Jaguars, Mirage and SU-30s. The IAF is getting its MIG-21 fleet upgraded in Russia. Strategists, however, are concerned over the fact that the IAF is unable to draft a 20-year perspective plan due to paucity of resources. China and Pakistan, on the other hand, are rapidly modernising their air force to tilt the balance in their favour, informed sources admit.


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