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    Is it intelligence or something else?

    Some people learn academic and work-related things way quicker than others, and I have long wondered if they are just smarter or if it is something else. I used to attribute their speed to their technique or background but now it seems, although those things count, intelligence is very real and far more impactful. Many self-help guides talk about learning how to learn, but I think that stuff can only go so far. Students/employees who are quick learners go way farther with each stride, can enjoy weekends and holidays, have work/life balance which ordinary students/employees have to sacrifice if they want to barely stay in the competition.

    It is like the hare and the tortoise story, except that the hare wins in the end.

    Do you believe fast learners are more intelligent?

    #2
    Humans are born with an IQ and it cannot be changed, sometimes lack of focus can be mistaken for lack of intelligence. When parents yell at their kids and hit them children lose a lot of brain cells and have a hard time being succesful and focusing.

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      #3
      I think the ability to focus while learning is a sign of intelligence but that is just my opinion. For example, consider a 25cc scooter going up a hill. It will not be able to climb in a straight line and will keep going sideways to avoid the hard climb. On the other hand if a 500 cc motorcycle goes up the same hill, it will have no problem climbing in a straight line. Similarly, I think while studying/working when an ordinary person comes across something with a steep learning curve, their mind keeps going sideways in order to avoid the hard climb, hence keep losing focus. On the other hand, if there is someone more intelligent, they can go right ahead. May be I'm wrong but that seems like a plausible explanation of the key role intelligence plays while learning in school/at work.

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        #4
        Focus also depends on interest, energy flows where the interest is. Most of the successful people have more social intelligence. People who lack in intelligence can get good at the subject by spending more time learning. Like in athletics, an athlete can be naturally gifted but the athlete who works much harder will beat him.

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          #5
          In my opinion, intelligence is the most important human attribute. Unfortunately, most of it is gifted and cannot be acquired. Take example of explaining a rather complex mathematical theorem to someone from a non-Match background. Even if you break it down into simple to understands pieces or spoon-feed them with logical examples, they will still struggle to comprehend easily. But a smarter person with a higher IQ will be able to understand it better without much coaching.

          Intelligence is not just scientific/academic. It translates into Arts, Sports, Business and other walks of life. Most of the successful sportsmen, artists, painters, entrepreneurs, even mob bosses running criminal enterprises have been rather intelligent people.
          Mixing intelligence with application seems to be the deciding factor.
          I'm either at work, in gym, working in the garden, or in my beautiful wife's arms!

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            #6
            I whole heartedly agree with Bobby1 here. Focus is such an important thing.

            I'm not a scientist so cannot say that we ignore intelligence level ofcourse it does play an important role. But with strong focus/concentration an average mind can achieve the same as a very intelligent mind.

            and then there are other factors like positive mindset, motivation etc. Combine all tools and sky is the limit for whoever.
            Attitude is more important than facts.
            "Life is 10% what happens to us..and 90% of how we react to it"

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              #7
              What Navzzz is saying sounds harsh but what if that is really the case. Then knowing that can be a relief to many when they are being compared with someone far more intelligent. In the movie Taare Zameen Par, teachers/parents were blaming the kid for not paying attention, not taking interest, being lazy, etc. Until they realized the actual issue.

              Let’s say 2 employees get the same assignment to give a presentation separately to 2 separate audiences at the same time the next day. The topic of the presentation is BitCoin. Both employees have almost no information about the topic at the start of their preparation and let’s assume both get the same questions about Blockchain, fraud protection, pricing trends, etc. asked by the audience.

              The employee with ordinary intelligence starts to prepare right away, cancelling everything else for the day on his todo list. Read Wikipedia and many other websites, took notes, etc. Continued late into the evening and then after reaching home, once again started studying more about the topic. Made the presentation and prepared side notes before going to bed late at night. Then revised the presentation by waking up early the next morning. During the presentation, he answered 50% questions correctly and the audience rates him as not very knowledgeable about Bitcoin.

              On the other hand, the employee with extraordinary intelligence finishes what was on his todo list for the rest of the day and leaves for home on time. Then after going home, he eats dinner with family and spends 2 hours reading up on BitCoin. Then goes to bed on time. Next morning puts together his presentation. During the presentation he answered 90% of the questions correctly and the audience rated him as very knowledgeable about Bitcoin.

              If not intelligence, then what else could be the reason behind the second employee's better and quicker understanding ?

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                #8
                Hard skills now are a dime a dozen and to get good at any task repetition is required and it kind of becomes an instinct and second nature. Most of us are not inventors or scientists and computers have made our jobs easier. Social intelligence now is way more important that is EQ, not IQ. I have seen socially awkward guys who have amazing IQs and they just rot away. Parents should analyse kids personalities and guide them to careers or businesses suited for them.

                I had a huge argument with this lady who was forcing university on the kids. Harris is a very charming socialiser and I started his Real estate career at 18, at 19 he will own an investment property. He will still study Construction Technology so he may start his housing company.
                Last edited by Bobby1; Dec 16, 2020, 06:17 PM.

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                  #9
                  I respect everyone trying to make an honest living, whether they went to college or not, whether they earn a lot or not. Topic of discussion is not about people’s career choices. I get fascinated when I see something I couldn’t explain yet it affects my everyday life, and intelligence to me is one such thing. We don’t notice it when we are with those who are at our level or below our level. But it becomes very noticeable when we are working/studying with people having superior intelligence. I wish I had that kind of intelligence.

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                    #10
                    So Let us Apply our Collective Intelligence to what is going on IN Today's "Liberal" World....Is this intelligence or is it something else???

                    "Same-sex parents can be listed on Indiana birth certificates..........is UN-Scientific"

                    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...it/6538849002/

                    My Question is for all the Contributors on this Topic? @decentGuy; Bobby1; @Navzz and @SID_NY.

                    Question: Science is the Mother of Liberalism? so How come Intelligent people who run our Courts System are Going against the Teachings of Science?

                    Science tells us Human Babies are formed when a Female's egg is fertilized by a Male's sperm! Same Sex Parents is an Oxy Moron ...........


                    Balaghal-ula bi-kamaalihi / Kashafad-duja bi-jamaalihi / Hasunat jameeu khisaalihi / Sallu alaihi wa aalihi

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by SindSagar View Post
                      So Let us Apply our Collective Intelligence to what is going on IN Today's "Liberal" World....Is this intelligence or is it something else???

                      "Same-sex parents can be listed on Indiana birth certificates..........is UN-Scientific"

                      https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...it/6538849002/

                      My Question is for all the Contributors on this Topic? @decentGuy; Bobby1; @Navzz and @SID_NY.

                      Question: Science is the Mother of Liberalism? so How come Intelligent people who run our Courts System are Going against the Teachings of Science?

                      Science tells us Human Babies are formed when a Female's egg is fertilized by a Male's sperm! Same Sex Parents is an Oxy Moron ...........

                      Marriage is a man made tradition and has no incidence in any other life form
                      We don’t follow science to entirety as Science says survival of the fittest and we try to support the weak and the poor and not annihilating them

                      Please read up on humanism and that is mostly our guiding principles.

                      when we took in refugees, was that based on any scientific principles? When we spend money supporting families of many whose purpose of existence is to see our destruction, is that scientific.

                      We protect people on basis of religion, race sexual preference

                      Right wing extremists claim superiority of race quoting science so are you willing to accept that
                      There is incidences if homosexuality in animal kingdom also

                      PS countries like Pak, India and China are becoming a population time bomb with not enough resources and serious food insecurity so what is the big deal with having children. Many couples in west chose not to have any children also, so is that unscientific?

                      Last edited by Bobby1; Dec 19, 2020, 12:58 PM.

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                        #12
                        Also Mr. SindSagar I would respectfully ask that in a country where 97 percent of street children are molested, paedophilia is endemic in madrassas, one of the highest is gay porn clicks and a huge incidence of homosexuality why do most people hate on someone for having their own sexual prefrence, shouldnt that energy be dedicated towards protecting children? Have we not learned from the most infamous khanewal case.

                        IQ is defined as problem solving skills, how is a consensual relationship in Indiana our problem to solve? I think if you allowed homosexuality and severly punished paedophiles than you might partly solve the paedophilia problem! Wouldn't you agree?
                        Last edited by Bobby1; Dec 19, 2020, 01:44 PM.

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                          #13
                          SindSagar
                          That tells us that intelligence alone is not sufficient to make right decisions.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by decentGuy View Post
                            SindSagar
                            That tells us that intelligence alone is not sufficient to make right decisions.
                            Most of our decisions are based on our prehistoric genes when we started evolving from rodents, I feel animals who can sense changes in weather, fly/swim thousands of miles without navigation and communicate in ocean for thousands of miles are smarter than us. How smart are we in destroying our planet? No absolutely not, we are not making smart decisions and could be the most shortlived species who destroyed their own world.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post

                              Most of our decisions are based on our prehistoric genes when we started evolving from rodents, I feel animals who can sense changes in weather, fly/swim thousands of miles without navigation and communicate in ocean for thousands of miles are smarter than us. How smart are we in destroying our planet? No absolutely not, we are not making smart decisions and could be the most shortlived species who destroyed their own world.
                              By The way Bobby1 Bhai Sahib, you have conveniently ignored your own Thesis! you claiming Over Population and Poverty will destroy the Earth......
                              where as the Reality is the SUPER SMART Science and Technology has created NUCLEAR WEAPONS that will OBLTERATE our Planet within a Few Hours when all the stored THOUSANDS of WARHEADS are let LOOSE by Very INTELLIGENT FOLKS!...

                              So I ask you BHai Sahib what does Intelligence get us in the END? Inhalation!
                              Balaghal-ula bi-kamaalihi / Kashafad-duja bi-jamaalihi / Hasunat jameeu khisaalihi / Sallu alaihi wa aalihi

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