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    Coronavirus Vaccine

    All good news about treatments seem to be either false or exaggerated. On the other hand, all bad news about the virus and its effects turns out to be true.

    The good news so far that turned out to be false or exaggerated:

    1- It’s just another flu
    2- It doesn’t affect Pakistanis.
    3- It doesn’t affect the young that much.
    4- It will not survive in the summer.
    5- Hydroxychloroquine will fully treat it.
    6- Remdesivir will fully treat it.
    7- Dexamethasone will fully treat it.
    8- Mask and hand washing will fully protect you.

    The bad news so far that turned out to be true:

    1- It is causing heart attacks.
    2- It is causing strokes.
    3- It is causing kidney failure.
    4- It affects blood and hence all the organs that get blood.
    5- It is causing diabetes.
    6- It is highly contagious.
    7- Once you go on a ventilator, few will return.
    8- The hospitalization cost is crazy expensive.

    To me it’s treatments are looking more and more like those of HIV that causes AIDS. The new waves in places where Coronavirus cases went to zero have further shaken my confidence. I met someone I know who just "recovered", was not hospitalized, is young, but has lost half his weight in just a couple of weeks and now is having issues with his memory.

    Do you think an effective Coronavirus vaccine will be discovered in the next 10 years? Why or why not?

    #2
    decentGuy Bhai you have covered this from all angles of prevention!

    However if you consider the Bodies own Immune Boosting Angle I think that is THE ONLY way to fight this!


    Eating more fruits and Vegetables and Avoiding Processed Foods i.e. Sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup and Hydrogenated Oils..........
    We don't see things as they are; we see things as we are!

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      #3
      Ah vaccines.... I'll stay quiet
      Pyaar waliyan nu nayio vekh sakda zamaana..

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      • SID_NY
        SID_NY commented
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        Something itching over Bill Gates?

      #4
      Yup prevention seems to be the best policy, but since it is highly contagious which means it is only a matter of time when almost everyone will get it.

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        #5
        My sister's whole family back home, many cousins got Covid +ve and it was scary. Thank God no further damage.


        I'm just glad Pakistanis are coming out of denial.


        But its just not Pakistanis. Its unbelievable to see so much BS being spread around specially on social media. All conspiracy theories about existence of Corona, wearing masks, vaccination, testing etc. But thats what happens when there is a leadership vaccum. Any country where leadership showed backbone are out of it now. For example NZ & Sweden.
        Attitude is more important than facts.
        "Life is 10% what happens to us..and 90% of how we react to it"

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          #6
          Its a long way to go. A very long and tiring way. No vaccination till next year atleast
          Mera Anghoota

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            #7
            This is an interesting article, thought to read. Let me know your thoughts. Yup, 2 am Saturday morning some are partying while some are reading articles on viruses

            https://www.universal-sci.com/headli...wrong-question


            ARE VIRUSES ALIVE? PERHAPS WE’RE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION

            Viruses are intricate collections of molecules that can infect all types of life forms, from plants and animals to microorganisms like bacteria. The origins of viruses in the evolutionary history of life are still a mystery to scientists. We don't even know whether we can even consider them 'alive.' Because viruses cannot survive on their own and need living cells to multiply, many think of them as non-living entities. One thing is for sure though: they challenge our concept of what 'alive' even means.

            In this article, postdoctoral researcher in Microbiology and Bioinformatics, Hugh Harris shares his thoughts on the subject. Enjoy!

            Comments and suggestions are welcome! Don't hesitate and leave them on our comment section down below the article

            By Hugh Harris - Postdoctoral researcher in Microbiology and Bioinformatics, University College Cork

            https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54bf12d2e4b0f0d81bf74ee7/1591891353015-E19GGXW0IATJHRXFSYK2/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDd7QVoA8T8roeOivsng_jQUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYxCRW4BPu10St3TBAUQYVKcEBysHcn0cwBdRLGA_-PUkhj0bbpbJoSI2UnNnu8N5DJ1frGiyxqThvYaELi6zNdo/virusses+II.jpg?format=1000w



            iruses are an inescapable part of life, especially in a global viral pandemic. Yet ask a roomful of scientists if viruses are alive and you’ll get a very mixed response.


            The truth is, we don’t fully understand viruses, and we’re still trying to understand life. Some properties of living things are absent from viruses, such as cellular structure, metabolism (the chemical reactions that take place in cells) and homeostasis (keeping a stable internal environment).

            This sets viruses apart from life as we currently define it. But there are also properties that viruses share with life. They evolve, for instance, and by infecting a host cell they multiply using the same cellular machinery.


            Many viruses can cut the DNA of infected cells and intertwine their own genetic material so that they are copied along with the DNA of their host whenever the cell divides. This process is called lysogeny and it can be contrasted with the more destructive lytic strategy of viruses where they multiply in great numbers within a cell, only to burst the cell open and spread out to infect other cells.

            There is an undeniable genetic and physiological connection between viruses and the organisms they infect. The discovery of giant viruses further blurs the distinction. These viruses can have as many genes as bacteria, some of which code for functions previously thought to be unique to cellular organisms.

            Does this new information lead to confusion or clarity? Can we ever answer the elusive question of whether viruses are alive, instead of just a non-living part of the living world? If we approach this puzzle correctly, we may find that we are focusing on the wrong question. Is “life” a box-like category that we can place things in as we discover them, or is it something far more mysterious?

            A COSMOLOGICAL THOUGHT EXPERIMENT

            Let us distance ourselves from the details and indulge in a thought experiment. There are hundreds of billions of stars spread out across the universe, clustered into galaxies, many guiding the orbits of planets around them. Some planets, in turn, are acting as gravitational centres for orbiting moons. We know this much.

            Now, imagine that lifeforms are scattered across these moons and planets, uncommon in any one galaxy perhaps, but numerous over the vast expanse of the universe. A team of intergalactic scientists has been working diligently for centuries, characterising the different forms of life and their unique properties and, more importantly, what they share. They might all use a certain type of molecule, for instance, or share a definitive process like Darwinian evolution.

            Why would a shared characteristic of life be so important? Because it suggests that life is not a chance happening but an emergent property of the universe. The team of alien scientists might conclude that life is less of an accident and more of a universal principle.

            https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54bf12d2e4b0f0d81bf74ee7/1591891602398-TV4LUYFM5TH8G1DFTUJX/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kN-efnC2satau2CqpFZ9OpZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UdlgRZQXd4zQnts7XX2mGyeRvUV6l7To-9Svf98nPT-XvaztDiZaGVZfClDrgED7vA/Exoplanet+IIII.jpg?format=1000w

            This all feels reassuring but is not necessarily true. Carol Cleland, professor of philosophy and author of several books on the nature and origin of life, speculates that life might not be a “natural kind”. This means that life is defined by people instead of by nature.

            It is like grouping bats with birds due to their shared ability to fly, instead of with mammals. This categorisation gives flight a priority over evolutionary history, even though it is evolution that reflects the most natural relationships among lifeforms on our planet.

            Cleland ultimately doubts that life is just a manmade concept. She might well be right. This is what makes the alternative so intriguing. What if there is life on a distant planet so unimaginably unlike our own that we would not recognise it if we found it? Could we even call it “life”?

            BACK DOWN ON EARTH

            We are not so advanced as our hypothetical intergalactic explorers. We have yet to find life on another planet, despite our missions to Mars and recent speculation about Saturn’s icy moon, Enceladus, and Jupiter’s Europa.

            These moons are thought to have active hydrothermal vents that spew out geothermally heated water, much like those at the bottom of Earth’s oceans. One hypothesis on the origin of life on our planet is that it began close to these energetic, chemically rich fissures in the ocean floor.

            Our scientists have a sample size of one. All life on Earth arose from a common ancestor in the deep geological past. This was long before we had oxygen, or even continents. We do not know what this ancestor looked like in any detail, but it is hypothesised to be a primitive cell containing the basic machinery for copying genetic material and expressing proteins.

            Did viruses predate this common ancestor? Or did they somehow originate from early evolving lifeforms? Events so ancient are always tortured with uncertainty, but speculation involves numerous intriguing scenarios, all of which may be false.

            The tree of life, a model of the evolutionary history of life on Earth, might find viruses among its branches after all. The caveat is to keep an open mind. Models themselves evolve with our increased understanding of reality. And who knows what the future of biology will reveal?

            Are viruses alive? Perhaps this isn’t the question we should be asking. Viruses are evolving entities that are intimately related to cellular life. But we do not understand life.

            Whenever we get too confident with our opinions and our definitions, we should wonder at that hypothetical planet holding lifelike entities in a remote galaxy, the existence of which could change everything we know.

            Someday, we may be lucky enough to find it.
            Attitude is more important than facts.
            "Life is 10% what happens to us..and 90% of how we react to it"

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              #8
              2- It doesn’t affect Pakistanis


              this is beyond my understanding why is there such a mentality

              what's so different about Pakistani that won't effect?

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              • SID_NY
                SID_NY commented
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                well tbh many people all over the world thought it wont touch them. When NY was effected, the southerners redneck trumptards in US were rallying saying its all a hoax. Guess what, now NY is out of crisis and they are getting worse.

              #9
              I am an atheist, but not a communist! I am a vulgarist, but not a radicalist! I am tame, but not idiotic!
              shingle of shingles!

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                #10
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                Last edited by chapter 2; Jul 1, 2020, 10:10 PM.
                I am an atheist, but not a communist! I am a vulgarist, but not a radicalist! I am tame, but not idiotic!
                shingle of shingles!

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                  #11
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                  Last edited by chapter 2; Jul 1, 2020, 04:35 AM.
                  I am an atheist, but not a communist! I am a vulgarist, but not a radicalist! I am tame, but not idiotic!
                  shingle of shingles!

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                    #12
                    Originally posted by SID_NY View Post
                    My sister's whole family back home, many cousins got Covid +ve and it was scary. Thank God no further damage.


                    I'm just glad Pakistanis are coming out of denial.


                    But its just not Pakistanis. Its unbelievable to see so much BS being spread around specially on social media. All conspiracy theories about existence of Corona, wearing masks, vaccination, testing etc. But thats what happens when there is a leadership vaccum. Any country where leadership showed backbone are out of it now. For example NZ & Sweden.
                    Sweden leadership showing backbone? Seriously?
                    Why isn't the Dividend story among the featured threads?

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                      #13
                      The number of cases is dropping in Pakistan and it has confused many. Although testing has slowed down, but I'm talking about positive rate that is going down as well. I hope this good news turns out to be true, and is not a result of poor data quality.

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                        #14
                        My take on this pandemic is that the earth is a living thing and we humans are like fleas on its back. its trying to get rid of us as most living organisms will do. I signed up for a vaccine trial, havent heard back yet. Its the only answer and even that may not be sufficient. But make no mistake, even pakistan isnt immune. You think they are tracking their numbers accurately? think again. But who am I to talk, I live in USA where the situation is well out of control. thanks trump!

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                          #15
                          Originally posted by Mamaof3 View Post
                          My take on this pandemic is that the earth is a living thing and we humans are like fleas on its back. its trying to get rid of us as most living organisms will do. I signed up for a vaccine trial, havent heard back yet. Its the only answer and even that may not be sufficient. But make no mistake, even pakistan isnt immune. You think they are tracking their numbers accurately? think again. But who am I to talk, I live in USA where the situation is well out of control. thanks trump!
                          That’s quite brave of you to sign up for the vaccine trial. The scary thing about Corona is the uncertainty of symptoms across affecttees. What I’ve been able to understand so far is that Corona is basically a blood disease. Wherever blood goes Corona goes there with it, which is almost every organ. I recently heard of an amputation that had to be done on a guy due to a complex link to Corona.

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