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    Computer forum has become/been reactive

    Over the time I've been here I've tried to keep the flow of this forum up as much as time would permit but to no effect. If somebody posts a problem there are 2 dozen ppl trying to solve it, those being minor issues that have probably been discussed a million times. but those same people have not much to say themselves. I guess i've been guilty of the same myself most of the time.

    As for advanced issues, no one posts anything. And if somebody starts a topic (I know NOS posted a few security issues and got nothing) there aren't any replies and it basically just passes thru. I don't know if that's because of lack of initiative or we just don't have the skills.

    I think its because of these reasons that we don't retain the talented ppl like g3nuine and Najim (who's only a shadow these days). I, myself, have started to frequent this forum less than I used to. I don't know what the answer to this dilimma is, but if somebody has a suggestion please share.

    One of the things I was thinking of is each of us post/come up with an issue twice a week and a new point of interest twice a week (like news and such).

    Ofcourse its all just a suggestion. Please feel free to share ur thoughts.
    An Android a day keeps the Apple away!

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    Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

    Tofi,

    I agree with some of the issues you’ve raised and the solution isn’t all that straight-forward. There is a justifiable reason that this forum is more reactive rather than proactive. By just posting “interesting” stuff, we can’t expect to have people contribute willfully and wholeheartedly to discussions, because there are other online and offline venues where they can get the same information.

    What we need though, is not information but knowledge… and for knowledge, we need to have people share their experiences from the practical world. However, this poses its own problems: the major one being that most of us tend to be moderately to highly specialized in what we do, and by trying to share our knowledge with others, we tend to lose out on the non-specialists. This is why nos’, and outlaw's several posts have gone unnoticed in the past and so have mine over the past years. I have often enquired about Java Security APIs, GDSS and Web Analytics cuz these are the core functional areas that interest me. If you do a search, you’ll prolly find those posts of mine with zero or one replies at most.

    Hence, I’m not exactly sure if this forum will be able to build a critical mass of readers beyond those who’re interested in utilizing it as a troubleshooting space or for discussing contemporary mainstream routine technologies.

    That being said, I know that Gizzy is working on a couple of ideas to improve the audience experience here esp. w.r.t. the organization of the forum.

    Lastly, as far as members are concerned, those whom you don’t see here have had their reasons to leave / become dormant overtime – e.g. Najim is just busy these days and hasn’t had and won’t have regular computer access for the next little while cuz he’s traveling. Hence, it isn’t necessarily because they’ve lost interest. I for one will always keep posting here even though I don’t expect replies to specialized issues.

    Maybe we can develop communities of practice around core technologies and that will help infuse more specialized audience and also maintain momentum overtime.

    Other comments and suggestions are also welcome. I have been involved with the Comp forum since its inception in 1998 and have seen it evolve from a very sluggish forum to fairly active one albeit still arguably more reactive and not proactive.
    For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining - and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction - Khalil Gibran

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      #3
      Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

      yani ke .. system SAHI bhee chal raha ho to usko torh kar idhar paish kiya jaaye?

      DUDE! bhikari say bheek mangta hay neyta hay kiya?:biggthumb

      yar chakkar ye hay .. all the highskills questions, pallay partay nahi hain harr ek ke.. aur jo partay hain, wo busy hotay hain..

      it would've been nicer to see techies sharing EVERYTHING they can think off.. like last week, i got sheesha, and it was a female-dog to decide WHERE to put it so its nearby my primary machine at all times.. AND can be used at the SAME time as headphones, and webcam..

      (okay a lil off the topic, but u know what i mean?)

      i thought about asking here but then realized i'm the second guy who came up with this problem..
      (first dude lives by his own and has all the computer/personal space around him to setup whatever he wants)..



      thanks for pulling head outta your ass long enough to read my post, then highlighting & reading this. Signed:
      -faizy

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        Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

        Originally posted by Umar Talib
        ...
        Maybe we can develop communities of practice around core technologies and that will help infuse more specialized audience and also maintain momentum overtime.
        ...
        You hit the nail on the head there bro! That is exactly the case here. I think we lack members who can really get this forum going. We have people coming from different streams of IT and they far n' few ... which is the reason why there arn't many contributors.

        G3 n' other members had suggested specialized forums but then the breakdown would lead to a massive explosion of sub-forums, that would in itself attract the issue of moderation and appropriate resources. But the question is: Would those forums survive without sufficient members/contributors? and as it is, I don't think GS is involved in any marketing or affiliation program as such which may be one of the reasons we don't have enough members/contributors in Comp section.

        But whatever the case, whatever the arguments, I'll try to stick around this place and try to contribute whenever possible cause I believe I feel at home at this forum. I believe I have found a community here that I could not find anywhere else (thing is, I didn't look out for any other community ). Members like Tofi, UT, 5Abi, DS n' others are more than mere online friends for me .. I feel attached to this Paki ccommunity ...

        DANG!! ... W.T.efff!!!! .... I got pretty emotional there 'eh ... ... khair ...
        Say: "Not equal are evil and good, even though the abundance of evil may please you." So fear Allah much, O men of understanding, in order that you may be successful. (Qur'aan, 5:100)

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          #5
          Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

          Oh wait, I forgot this
          n' this :Salute:

          Say: "Not equal are evil and good, even though the abundance of evil may please you." So fear Allah much, O men of understanding, in order that you may be successful. (Qur'aan, 5:100)

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            #6
            Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

            g3nu1n3's has his own blog with buncha contributors as well. Thats a domain that he can control and make it look as it pleases. I think most of you know why he boycotted this place and I dont blame him.
            Forums like these have become a thing of the past in my opinion.
            I am only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand.

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              #7
              Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

              I understand its not easy to make ppl enthusiastic by just posting regularly, but its a start. And no Faizy, we don't have to break stuff so u can get advise from here. I did like that line tho.

              5watery, I don't know what the circumstances were with G3. And I'm sure Najim is busy with other stuff. But even when one gets some time if one thinks one would find cool stuff they'd still come and share a thought or 2. I'm a member of tons of these kinds of forums but I don't frequent them all on a regular basis because of these reasons.

              Anywho, I may have been bit more accusing then I should've been, but I don't have the answers either.
              An Android a day keeps the Apple away!

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                Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                Originally posted by nos
                Members like Tofi, UT, 5Abi, DS n' others are more than mere online friends for me .. I feel attached to this Paki ccommunity ...
                Look what u did, u made me cry... boo-hooo!!!
                An Android a day keeps the Apple away!

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                  #9
                  Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                  Naah Tofi – dude… its alright – as long as it’s constructive comments, it’s actually quite appreciated

                  As far as the efficacy of the forum is concerned, 5Abi yaar… the problem with blogs again is that they tend to revolve around the interests of the blog owner and the audience is limited to friends and family. Although it allows contributions from whoever is interested, the end result is more or less a one-to-many information channel… whereas with a bulletin board / discussion forum, you get the value-added from many-to-many collaboration. Some members will always be more active and be at the core of the forum while others will leverage the combined knowledge of these core members.

                  Khair, without getting into more discussion, I believe blogs and BBs are quite different by their very nature, and research actually shows that BBs are just now reaching maturity in the way their management scales them to cater to the needs of the virtual community. This same pattern is actually quite apparent in how GS has evolved over the years with additions of multiple types of synchronous and asynchronous channels, opportunities for serious and informal publications and the profusion of smaller sub-forums etc.

                  nos, I’m actually working on a project which I might be able to port to GS. I’ve actually had a small stint with the World Bank in helping them establish virtual communities of practice, and maybe I can bring some of that experience here as well.
                  For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining - and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction - Khalil Gibran

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                    #10
                    Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                    Tofi: Thanks for your concern mate

                    I agree, some posts go unanswered.

                    The reason behind this forum not attracting a lot of specialists and other regular visitors are a few:

                    First, this is a desi community so a I dont see a non-desi becoming a frequent visitor of this forum, we only have a few here in who only post in General and World Affairs forums.

                    Secondly, There are not too many Pakistani/Asian IT professionals (specialised in any given filed of IT) who would like to spend their time posting in a forum just to help other people who need a little help. And the one's who do, like Umar, yourself, 5-watery :-D, nos, Najim and a few more.

                    Thirdly, Splitting this forum. This is an issue which can not be predicted before it has taken place. But I have my doubts about it. I think at this stage splitting the Comp forum is not needed.
                    I have seen this happening at GS before (the Image Gallery was split) I must say it has not helped in attracting more visitors to those forums. It was a very frequently visited forum before it was split. So has it lost its charm after it got split?

                    Last but not least. I think we should make the best of what we already have here :-) As it has come a long way to become what it is now. And we have here a dedicated and loyal team of posters like nos already mentioned



                    Originally posted by TofiBaba
                    One of the things I was thinking of is each of us post/come up with an issue twice a week and a new point of interest twice a week (like news and such).
                    Thanks for your suggestion Now why don'y you go ahead and come up with your first issue of the week


                    We need more of your opinions and suggestions. Keep them coming...

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                      #11
                      Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                      oh on second thought, the only option we have to split this forum is to have a sub-forum for MS Access related problems

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                        #12
                        Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                        Lol Gizzy, That was a good one.
                        An Android a day keeps the Apple away!

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                          #13
                          Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                          Im not a frequent visitor not can I be botherd to answer most problems people have. All I ever see (not just this forum) is problems reltaing to spyware, browser hijacks, and the other typical MS problems. You get bored of reading and answering the same questions, You have to remember people are helping you becuase they feel like it so make them want to help you by trying to find a fix yourself and if all still goes wrong post your results. I always try yo answer where someone has made an effort and I hope others would help me likewise.

                          A good idea would be to have FAQ made stickys wit common problems.

                          We need to be less about solving solved problems but more new ideas.

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                            #14
                            Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                            Also intresting articles/links such as the WEP crack you all participated in keeps people coming.

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                              #15
                              Re: Computer forum has become/been reactive

                              thanks for pulling head outta your ass long enough to read my post, then highlighting & reading this. Signed:
                              -faizy

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