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    Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

    A CSD is a C-Sectioned Delivery.

    An interesting article shows that research in maternal response towards their babies is less in CSD babies as opposed to VD babies (VD = Vaginal Delivery).

    My mind seems to agree with this ... because I can't see why Allah (SWT) should put women through so much pain in normal birth ... I reject wholesale the Christian basis that because of the original sin, women were made to suffer the pangs of birth. Rather I follow an enlightened Islamic understanding that coming to Earth was to honour us and the pain of the mother is directly related to the rank she holds over us and in a more obscure sense enables her to be a "more naturally responsive" mother ... of course it does not make her a better mother, because it is possible that C-section mother is brilliant because she may operate out of a sense of duty. However, the vaginal delivery mother may find it easier to emotionally rise to the mothering challenge than her counterpart.

    Please read the following article:

    Maternal brain response to own ba... [J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI


    Abstract

    A range of early circumstances surrounding the birth of a child affects peripartum hormones, parental behavior and infant wellbeing. One of these factors, which may lead to postpartum depression, is the mode of delivery: vaginal delivery (VD) or cesarean section delivery (CSD). To test the hypothesis that CSD mothers would be less responsive to own baby-cry stimuli than VD mothers in the immediate postpartum period, we conducted functional magnetic resonance imaging, 2-4 weeks after delivery, of the brains of six mothers who delivered vaginally and six who had an elective CSD. VD mothers' brains were significantly more responsive than CSD mothers' brains to their own baby-cry in the superior and middle temporal gyri, superior frontal gyrus, medial fusiform gyrus, superior parietal lobe, as well as regions of the caudate, thalamus, hypothalamus, amygdala and pons. Also, within preferentially active regions of VD brains, there were correlations across all 12 mothers with out-of-magnet variables. These include correlations between own baby-cry responses in the left and right lenticular nuclei and parental preoccupations (r = .64, p < .05 and .67, p < .05 respectively), as well as in the superior frontal cortex and Beck depression inventory (r = .78, p < .01). First this suggests that VD mothers are more sensitive to own baby-cry than CSD mothers in the early postpartum in sensory processing, empathy, arousal, motivation, reward and habit-regulation circuits. Second, independent of mode of delivery, parental worries and mood are related to specific brain activations in response to own baby-cry.
    The Prophet(SAW) said:
    "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].

    #2
    I totally disagree...Totally ! Who are these idle people who carry out these stupid researches? Did they carry out research where woman told them " I love my vaginal delivery wala Bacha more than c-section wala"? If they actually found such women,then they need to treat them rather than including them in their study
    "This world (i.e., its pleasures and duration) in comparison with the Hereafter is (similar to the amount of water) one gets when he puts his finger in the sea. Let him then see what it returns with".[Muslim].

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      #3
      Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

      ^ THANK YOU.

      Contrary to popular belief, C section deliveries are not painless. So a VD mom loving a kid more due to pain associated with birth , yeah that argument fails.
      I'm sarcastic because it is the body's natural defense against stupid.

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        #4
        Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

        Originally posted by prototype View Post
        I totally disagree...Totally ! Who are these idle people who carry out these stupid researches? Did they carry out research where woman told them " I love my vaginal delivery wala Bacha more than c-section wala"? If they actually found such women,then they need to treat them rather than including them in their study
        Originally posted by Demesne View Post
        ^ THANK YOU.

        Contrary to popular belief, C section deliveries are not painless. So a VD mom loving a kid more due to pain associated with birth , yeah that argument fails.
        That is your right to disagree ... But I contest that you failed to understand what I wrote. I was not talking about mother's loving their children more or less, neither is the article.
        The Prophet(SAW) said:
        "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].

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          #5
          Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

          I think the article states a biological fact rather...wrongly. Yes, C-section deliveries/mothers have a different response (delayed or no release of oxytocin, I think, that 'triggers' motherly behavior/bonding with baby). However, that doesn't make them love their children any less or treat them differently than a mother who birthed naturally. In either scenario - a mother loves her child unconditionally.

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            #6
            Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

            Yeah and that's another thing - the article doesn't say that they love their children any less...but just that they respond to babies cries slower or what have you. But anyone reading that will probably not take that away from it and immediately assume that a mother with 'less maternal response' simply doesn't love her baby as much.

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              #7
              Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

              Well. I've had had both...completely normal vaginal birth with my first one, and with my twins, one was born vaginally and the other delivered via csection and I can safely say that there is was no difference in my baby cry response time towards my csection baby lol...no apathy or discrimination there.

              Sorry to blow this theory out of the water.

              And I'd like to say that this statement of yours

              . of course it does not make her a better mother, because it is possible that C-section mother is brilliant because she may operate out of a sense of duty. However, the vaginal delivery mother may find it easier to emotionally rise to the mothering challenge than her counterpart
              comes off as sounding extremely condescending and pretentious.

              There are some things men in general should just not even presume to comment on. And the physical act of childbirth is one of them. I don't care how many "studies" are conducted by some Y chromosome lab rat, until you have a uterus of your own and grow and sprout a human life from it, it's best to not go there.


              


              

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                #8
                Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

                Whoa! What's happening here?
                I'm quite illiterate, but I read a lot.

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                  #9
                  Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

                  Originally posted by khattichic View Post
                  Well. I've had had both...completely normal vaginal birth with my first one, and with my twins, one was born vaginally and the other delivered via csection and I can safely say that there is was no difference in my baby cry response time towards my csection baby lol...no apathy or discrimination there.

                  Sorry to blow this theory out of the water.

                  And I'd like to say that this statement of yours



                  comes off as sounding extremely condescending and pretentious.

                  There are some things men in general should just not even presume to comment on. And the physical act of childbirth is one of them. I don't care how many "studies" are conducted by some Y chromosome lab rat, until you have a uterus of your own and grow and sprout a human life from it, it's best to not go there.
                  Please don't pull out the "men" card ... You can accuse me all you like of being condescending, but my intentions were not that way, and are pure. I apologise if that is what you get from this article and thread ... But this is just a point of interest for me and I have no intent to get your backs up or belittle this topic. And if you find this out of taste then you can ask the mod of this forum to delete it.
                  The Prophet(SAW) said:
                  "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].

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                    #10
                    Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

                    Originally posted by S_Punk View Post
                    Yeah and that's another thing - the article doesn't say that they love their children any less...but just that they respond to babies cries slower or what have you. But anyone reading that will probably not take that away from it and immediately assume that a mother with 'less maternal response' simply doesn't love her baby as much.
                    You are right it doesn't ... Anyone reading it who does not take it the way it was intended, aught to take comprehension lessons ...
                    The Prophet(SAW) said:
                    "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].

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                      #11
                      Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

                      ^ just like there is a need for taking vocabulary lessons too

                      Apathetic: Showing or feeling no interest, enthusiasm, or concern

                      you just said CSD moms are more apathetic as compared to VD ones, no ?
                      "This world (i.e., its pleasures and duration) in comparison with the Hereafter is (similar to the amount of water) one gets when he puts his finger in the sea. Let him then see what it returns with".[Muslim].

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                        #12
                        Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

                        It probably has more to do with the pain, medications, and longer recovery time after csections, than it has anything to do with actual human emotions.

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                          #13
                          Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

                          WTH! I totally do not agree. It was painful and heartbreaking that I couldn't quickly rush to pick up and soothe my crying baby post op and a few days after. And others had to tend to baby or hand baby over to me.
                          Also c-secs now save lives of many many women and babies, who would have died previously when VD was the only or preferred or forced upon option.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by psyah View Post
                            Originally posted by khattichic View Post
                            Well. I've had had both...completely normal vaginal birth with my first one, and with my twins, one was born vaginally and the other delivered via csection and I can safely say that there is was no difference in my baby cry response time towards my csection baby lol...no apathy or discrimination there.

                            Sorry to blow this theory out of the water.

                            And I'd like to say that this statement of yours



                            comes off as sounding extremely condescending and pretentious.

                            There are some things men in general should just not even presume to comment on. And the physical act of childbirth is one of them. I don't care how many "studies" are conducted by some Y chromosome lab rat, until you have a uterus of your own and grow and sprout a human life from it, it's best to not go there.
                            Please don't pull out the "men" card ... You can accuse me all you like of being condescending, but my intentions were not that way, and are pure. I apologise if that is what you get from this article and thread ... But this is just a point of interest for me and I have no intent to get your backs up or belittle this topic. And if you find this out of taste then you can ask the mod of this forum to delete it.

                            Psyah Bhai, I respect you, I really do, and I had no issues at comprehending this study, nor your response to it. But the fact of the matter is, there is no way to conclusively say that ALL csection mothers are apathetic towards their baby's cry response times vs mothers who delivered vaginally. That just doesn't make any sense. Doesn't this study say that 12 women were selected for the study...12?! 12!!! That's a pretty ridiculously low number wouldn't you say? Out the millions of women in this world, 12 are going to are going to decisively prove this point? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

                            And as far as the "man card" goes, unfortunately their is NO way any man can EVER comprehend the experience of childbirth (and the feelings, pains, emotions etc that entail)....that's not be being facetious, that's Allah ki khudrat. The comment wasn't a stab at you personally. And yes, you did sound condescending, but rest assured, had it been any other male poster, my response, and I'm fairly certain, that of the others would have been he exact same.

                            Like SO2 pointed out, there are away too many other varying factors like pain meds, postpartum blues, hormonal fluctuation etc that are more realistic contributing factors, not solely csection vs vaginal deliveries.


                            


                            

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                              #15
                              Re: Mothers are more apathetic towards their children if they were CSDs

                              my issue is with religion being dragged in to explain something that needs no voodoo justifications. nice try but not thanks.

                              and so what if the post-partum mothering instinct may be a little suppressed for the first few days in those moms who didn't give vaginal birth? it is not like a tiger will show up and eat their babies while she turns the other way. C-sections happen for medical reasons (well maybe not in india and pakistan), not every baby and mom will make it alive/healthy via the birthing canal route.
                              Simple ain't easy.

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