The Jew and the Paki.

[Guest]

There is a Jew. He's rich, filthy rich. His Dad owns a firm of lawyers. He could buy our whole Law School 3 times over. He's young. Hes the MOST witty, intelligent, classy hunky lil thing a law student could ever lay her eyes on. And he fancies a paki.

This is where is gets sad. Hes so sweet about it. Hes been cajoling my friend into finding thins out about her views on marriage and other things. She is the envy of virtually every other girl in my whole uni and shes going to say 'no thanks bud' cuz hes a jew.

And this Jew is ready to convert to Islam for my friend. And you know worst thing is he said to her if you say no because you don't like me that i can handle if you say NO because i'm a jew i will be deeply upset.

Isn't it so sad that two lovebirds can't be together???? I mean this could end up as a decent marriage but oh no. Life was never meant to be perfect but this really takes the cake

Anyways, If you want more insider info on it let me know - i can write a book on this bloke

Sobi: When shes said no, you can try your luck !!!

[lastknightess]

Well she's a fool..but then again maybe she knows what her parents are gona say...

[Guest]

LK - She really likes him. He's the perfect guy, but arranged marriage looms in the future and she doesn't want him to fall under any false hopes or lead him on...

So sad.

[desiphobia]

What does the guy's family think about his intentions of marrying a Pakistani Muslim girl?

[lastknightess]

DD it's always family that gets in the way...coz after all when 2 people are joined together their familes are joined too...

Plus how do you think people think about someone who's converted..the tsuf their family has to face from the world and thier relatives..they may be perfectly happy with each other but in teh end the world makes life miserable for them!

[Faisal]

If he is willing to embrace Islam, and the two like each other too, then the parents should not be so blind about this thing.

That he is rich, is just an added incentive (though, its up in the air, whether he will remain rich after giving up Judaism). So I wouldn't emphasize the "filthy rich" that too much. :~)

[Guest]

desiphobz - I don't know. He has had one muslim gf before and they WERE very serious but it didn't work out - so judgint by that , not too much of a problem.

Hes not religious at all. He despises his own faith !! Odd..

LK - TRUE ! Very TRUE ! Things do happen for the best

[Ana]

If he is ready to convert, the girl is an idiot. No pain, no gain.

She can teach him all about Islam in the ideal atmosphere of love.. it's take years but it'll be worth it.. people who convert usually end up being the best muslims on the block... plus, she can learn so many new things about judaism... she can go see Israel... they can have perfect kids... good-looking, two sets of caring grandparents.. lots of customs to attend... furniture in the house... man, the opportunities are endless........

The girl is giving up a great opportunity to appease her family and get a boring humdrum desi marriage in return.

[Guest]

Originally posted by Faisal:
If he is willing to embrace Islam, and the two like each other too, then the parents should not be so blind about this thing.

That he is rich, is just an added incentive (though, its up in the air, whether he will remain rich after giving up Judaism). So I wouldn't emphasize the "filthy rich" that too much. :~)

Faisal bhai LOL.

Uski taraf se koi probs na bhi ho tho the girl will never be allowed to marry him.

And i guess the rich bit is flattering. Not all rich guys go for dusky run-of-the-mill paki girls In films yeah, in real no.

[Ana]

Originally posted by lastknightess:
DD it's always family that gets in the way...coz after all when 2 people are joined together their familes are joined too...

Plus how do you think people think about someone who's converted..the tsuf their family has to face from the world and thier relatives..they may be perfectly happy with each other but in teh end the world makes life miserable for them!

It takes guts to convert.. to anything. Converts have a lot of will-power, and in the long-run, end up getting lots of respect. Things may be a bit tuff initially, but by bringing families closer together, the rewards are endless...

[Ana]

Originally posted by *Disco~Duck*:
Uski taraf se koi probs na bhi ho tho the girl will never be allowed to marry him.

If the girl will never be allowed to marry him, I think Allah mian will be taking the family's actions into account. I hope.

[lastknightess]

Originally posted by Ana:
If he is ready to convert, the girl is an idiot. No pain, no gain.

Like I said before it's teh family that would object...convertees are very often looked down upon...coz you see the PERSON converts not teh entire family..hence the girls parents wouldn't want thier daughter to live in a Jewish environment...

No matter where you go they will always be someone snickering behind your back and creating problems for you...the ex Jew and his family would be most hurt...

[lastknightess]

Originally posted by Ana:


It takes guts to convert.. to anything. Converts have a lot of will-power, and in the long-run, end up getting lots of respect. Things may be a bit tuff initially, but by bringing families closer together, the rewards are endless...

I agree with you 100%...but you see no parent wants their child to have to go through all that trouble...

If you ask me I'm all for any 2 people who are in love and want to be together..but through my experiences I'm just stating the facts

[Faisal]

Just to add one more bit on the issue of converts.

If someone converts to another religion, after reading about it, finding out more, studying and figuring out that this is the right path, whatever it is... more power to them.

On the other hand, I have mixed feelings about those who convert to get their gf/bf to agree to marry them. Yeah, they can turn out to be ideal role-models and all that, or they can continue with their lives, treating it as just one more hurdle to get the girl to agree. And they may also gets taunts for the rest of their lives saying "larki ke liyay mazhab badal liya!, toba toba".

[Ana]

Originally posted by lastknightess:
Like I said before it's teh family that would object...convertees are very often looked down upon...coz you see the PERSON converts not teh entire family..hence the girls parents wouldn't want thier daughter to live in a Jewish environment...

No matter where you go they will always be someone snickering behind your back and creating problems for you...the ex Jew and his family would be most hurt...

LK, how can u say just the ex-Jew and his family will be most hurt? Are you aware of the difficulties and strains of an inter-religious marriage?

FYI, BOTH families get hurt. Very. But in life, in anything... there is no gain, if there is no pain.

As for converts being looked down upon... people whose homes have been foreclosed are also looked down upon, so are disabled people, so are normal people who stammer on seeing a beautiful girl.... your point is what exactly? People will always always always have problems with other people.. if it's not a conversion, it's how much money you have in your bank account, or the color or your eyes or shoes... that's life. Big deal.

BUT, the understanding, the give and take, the compromise, the individual hurt and the knowledge that both sides are being hurt.. all this makes a beautiful multi-colored rainbow that brings people soooooo much closer together. People who have inter-religious or inter-racial, or both, marriages, are very strong people. They're not some willy-nillys.. they've got what it takes to make a strong supportive environment to live and grow and help others. A convert from one religion to another, understands more than just one side or one aspect to life. They can deal with things, and with people, much better than a regular joe-shmo because they've been thru so much themselves. That's something to respect, not look down upon. Doesn't matter if they accept the full responsibilities of the new religion or not, or are just doing it to get a spouse.. just that fact that they are willing to be associated with a whole new way of living, a whole new set of different types of people, and give things a shot.. is to be appreciated. You don't just convert from one religion to another.. you convert from one way of thinking to accepting the possibilities of the existence of another way. That's big in my books.