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    i have always wanted to know what do our generation of desis think of the separation of india and pakistan.when the movie "border "was screened in singapore it evoked strong emotions amongst the punjabis(sikhs)and of course there was a big dramA 4 a question is SHOULD THERE BE A SEPERATION.IF YES WHY AND IF NO WHY.after all many pakistanis died while crossing the border and those who ran brought nothing with them to pakistan,so what do u guys think


    I feel that it was a mistake and that both countries r paying quite heavily for it now .
    By the way, Sonya, what dyu think?
    Simple ain't easy.



      Dear Sonya,

      It is an excellent question. Now that we have two nations - India and Pakistan, and I am a Pakistani, I will start off by saying that I wouldn't want anything in the world to change that, and that I love Pakistan more than I love anything. Having said that, below are my feelings about the issue of partitioning of India into two nations.

      I will say, it was unnecessary to divide India into two nations. Jinnah exploited sentiments of people of what is now Pakistan for his own selfish interests. Division of India is one of many reasons that have kept the entire sub-continent so underdeveloped. There has been a nonstop arms race that has taken so much of the resources that otherwise could have been spent on all kinds of neat things. People of different ethno-and geographic identities have lived together for centuries in India. There was no need to change that. India has been invaded by foreigners and ruled for centuries starting with Assenians to Macedonians, to Mongols, to Persians, to Afghans, to English. It always managed to preserve its character - a character of diversity and richness.

      A better solution would have been to give complete autonomy to different provinces, yet keeping them united federally. Pretty much like the USA model. Of course, there would have been problems with that as well. Problems of racism, religious intolerance, social classism, etc. But these problems exist even now in both nations. People of India (together) would have found solutions to these problems.

      There are more similarities than differences among people of Pakistan and India. Some wouldn't admit that and exploit what divides us rather than talk about similarities.


        I feel it was the biggest mistake Jinnah made. We gained absolutely nothing by creating a separate country. I am surprised that even Jinnah's daughter (Dinah Wadia who lives in New York) feels that it was a mistake.

        But now that we are separated for 50 years it would be extremely difficult to come back together. We have become so much suspicious of each other that it will take years to build trust.

        What would have happened if India and Pakistan and Bangladesh were one country.
        An optimistic view.
        1. Best cricket team in the world.
        2. Most populous country in the world (ahead of China). Definite permanent membership of Security Council.
        3. Saved billions of dollars on defence, and concentrated on education, sanitation, environment etc.

        On the other hand it could have been
        1. More religious violence.
        2. Poorest nation in the world.


          Most of all if there would have been no partition millions and millions would not have been killed due to mass migration.

          Millions of Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims were killed when Pakistan was partitioned. Millions lost their home, belongings and millions of families are separated by this boundary.


            Yes I feel it was a mistake but I have to agree with N.Y.Ahmadi that a United country should have been a loose confederation of states with more provisions to safegaurd rights of minorities.
            I feel that even divided India should have a loose federation of states with only a few portfolios with the central government (external affairs, defence). It will be more democratic that way and people of different ethnic backgrounds would live together. Of course there would be communal clashes but we would have dealt with them. I think the decision of partition was just too hasty.



              As much as it makes sense in terms of possible economic benefits and political clout, One does tend to wonder how long can groups with very unique identities live together. Whether fueled by political ambition or personal feelings, many people felt that a separate country was needed.
              Looking back we can say that united we could have been so much stronger economically and prosper, but then who is to say that a situation like Yugoslavia would have not developed.

              All I know is that the we teh three countries are currently, we would be #1 in IMF loans for sure.
              The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.


                A LECTURE BY
                Professor Stanley Wolpert
                Distinguished Prof. of South Asian History,
                University of California at Los Angeles

                Delivered at a Seminar organized by
                the Institute of Regional Studies on March 22, 1998

                Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was South Asia’s most brilliant Barrister, and an honest man, who also emerged as British India’s most remarkable political leader proving mire than a match for all of his Congress opponents. including Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehro. by virtue of his total integrity. legal acuity and unwavering commitment to the Muslim League’s suit which he pressed through the last arduous decade of his devoted life, Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah sired the independent Nation-state of Pakistan.

                Never tempted by bribery or the lures of Imperial ‘honours’ (he was, as Liaquat Ali Khan put it “unpurchaseable”). Mr. Jinnah was hailed after 1937 by Muslim League followers as Quaid-i-Azam and he has rightly remained Pakistan’s ‘Greatest leader since death 50 years ago. “I shall always be guided by the principles of justice and fairplay without any…prejudice on ill-will, “he assured your first Constituent assembly on August 11, 1947. “My guiding principle will be justice and complete impartiality”.

                Lincoln’s Inn Barrister M.A.Jinnah entered politics as a member of India’s National Congress (before joining the League), and soon emerged as its best Ambassador of Hindu-Muslim Unity, drafting the Lucknow Pact of 1916, adopted both by the Indian National congress and Muslim League as their united platform demand to the British Raj. Four years later, however, when Mahatma Gandhi revolutionized the congress at Nagpur, after the end of World War one in the Wake of Jallianwala Bagh, Mr.Jinnah tried to caution him against embarking upon a program designed, as your Quaid rightly predicted, to trigger violence and cause chaos throughout British Raj. Gandhi and his followers ignored Jinnah’s warnings and ridiculed his rational voice, impelling him to leave Congress’s pandal, never to return. He remained a member of the Muslim league but for some time Barrister Jinnah opted to live and work in London, until after 1935, when he was lured back to accept the permanent Presidency of Muslim league by Liaquat Ali and Begum shah Nawaz, among others.

                In 1937, following elections held under the new government of India Act in which Congress won a commanding majority of Provincial Seats and after Nehru arrogantly insisted that there were only two parties left in India, the congress and the British, and all others must "line up, line up!” Jinnah replied “ There is a third party - the Muslims “. And that October he transformed his appearance on the eve of the Muslim League meeting in Mahmudabad’s Garden in Lucknow, donning his black sherwani and Persian lamb cap, that has come to be known the Jinnah cap, abandoning his Barrister grab to emerge as Quaid-i-Azam of Muslim India’s inchoate Nation. “ The …Leadership of the Congress, especially during the last 10 years, has been responsible for alienating the Musalmans of India…pursuing a policy which is exclusively Hindu, “Jinnah thundered “ They have by their words, deeds and programmes shown, more and more, that the Muslmans cannot expect nay justice or fair play at their hands. Wherever they were in a majority…wherever it suited them, they refused to co-operate with the Muslim League…To Musalmans every province… I say…. Organize yourselves; establish your solidarity and complete unity. Equip yourselves, as trained as disciplined soldiers…Work loyally, honestly as far to cause of your people and your country. No individual or people can achieve anything without industry, suffering and sacrifice. There are forces which may bully you, tyrannize over you and intimidate you…But it is by going through this crucible of the fire up persecution which may be leveled against you…the threats are intimidation that may unnerve you…by resisting, by overcoming, by facing these…. Hardships… and maintaining your true convictions and loyalty, that a nation will emerge, worthy of its past glory and history, and work live to make its future history greater and more glorious…Eighty millions of Musalaman in India have nothing to fear, they have their destiny in their hands, and as a well-knit solid organized, united force can face any danger, and withstand any opposition…Take your vital decisions…they may be grave and momentous and far-reaching in their consequences. Think a hundred time before you take any decision, but once a decision is taken, stand by it as one man.”

                For the next years, Quaid-i-Azam Jinnah worked vigorously to consolidate his incubating Muslim Nation.
                “We must stand on our own inherent strength build up our own power, “he reiterated in Karachi. “It is in use blaming others. If the Musalmans are going to be defeated in their national goal and aspirations it will only be by the betrayal of the Musalmans among us as it has happened in the past”.

                And at the League’s session in Patana, the Quaid told his cheering audience: “ The Congress has now….Killed every hope of Hindu-Muslim settlement in the right royal fashion of Fascism…I want to make it plain to all concerned that we Muslims want no gifts …no concessions. We Muslims of India have made up our mind to secure full rights, but we shall have them as rights…the Congress in nothing but a Hindu body…Today the Hindu mentality, the Hindu outlook, is being carefully nurtured, and Muslims are being forced to accept these new conditions and to submit.” The Quaid cautioned that from them on they could look for help only to their own “Muslim nation” and to “God”.

                In 1939, shortly after viceroy Linlithgow proclaimed British India at War with Germany, Nehru called upon the viceroy to issue an immediate promise of “absolute freedom to India after the war and the right of India to draft her own constitution, “ as the price if Congress’s support. We also called for general elections. No British officer had either the time or inclination to bargain with Congress over India’s future, while Britain’s own future was in jeopardy. Jinnah alone among India’s political leaders understood great Britain’s position, and said nothing negative, called upon all Muslims to help the Raj by “honourable co-operation at this “ critical and difficult juncture. “He met with the Viceroy to plead for “ more protection” for Muslims, and full recognition of the League as the “only organization that can speak on behalf of Muslims of India.”

                While Congress thus alienated the British in those administrative support and Viceregal backing. Nehru and Ghandi grossly underestimated British and Allied power in 1939, deluded into believing that without India congress support the Raj would collapse. Jinnah knew better. His assessment of British power was unclouded by sentiment or wishful thinking, Nehru tried to goad Jinnah in make an anti-British public statement in October of 1939. “The Indian people are asking for a constitution to be drafted and adopted by our selves, “Jinnah never responded to so gross a challenge, waiting quite for congress to resign the provincial power it had enjoyed since 1937. Nehru impetuously obliged by doing just that in early November, and then Quaid-i-Azam Jinnah announced that Friday, December22, 1939 was to be celebrated as a “day of Deliverance and thanks giving …that the Congress regime has at last ceased to function.” He urged Muslims everywhere to hold public meetings and offer prayers of thanks for the demise of that “Hindu Raj” under which Muslims had for two and a half years been crushed by yokes of “tyranny, oppression and injustice.” Those prayers proved a portent of the Muslim League’s decision to opt for separate statehood.

                In January of 1940 Jinnah wrote a piece of London’s Time and Tide, in which he quoted the 1935 Report of the joint Committee on Indian constitutional reforms, stating that India was inhabited by “many races…often as distinct from one another in origin, tradition and manner of life as are nations of Europe. Two-thirds…profess Hinduism…over seventy-seven millions are followers of Islam; and the difference between the two is not only of religion…but also of law and culture. They may be said indeed to represent two distinct separate civilizations, “though irreversibly afflicted by this time with tuberculosis, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah arrived on the morning of March 22, 1940 in Lahore, where he was to preside over his Muslim League’s most important session, entering the crowded pandal erected on the maiden of Minto (now Iqbal) Part at 2:25 p.m.

                “Why does not Mr. Gandhi honestly now acknowledge that the Congress is a Hindu Congress, that he does not represent any body except the solid body of a Hindu people? President Jinnah asked in the capital of Punjab, which would remain the cultural capital of Pakistan despite political pride of place given to Karachi and Islamabad. “I think even a blind man must have been convinced by now, that the Muslim League has the solid backing of the Musalmans of India. Whey then all this camouflage?” asked the Quaid of Mr. Gandhi, addressing him over the heads of more tan 60,000 Muslims gathered within earshot of his amplified voice in Lahore. “Why not come as a Hindu Leaders proudly representing your people and let me meet your proudly representing the Musalmans?”

                So though Fazul Haq and Shrawardy were predisposed to a separate Bangladesh, the Quaid insisted that Pakistan must be a single Nation, for he understood the official British mind much better than any of his colleagues, or any Congress leader. Nehru was closed to British liberal and Labour intellectuals, of course, but most official British minds resonated to Mr. Jinnah’s thinking. He knew it would be much easier to get the British to agree to a single partition of India, rather than to its further Balkanization, opening a Pandora’s box of separates demands by Sikhs, Untouchables, Dravids – all clamouring for ‘nation as’ of their own – not to remain the princes! The Quaid knew how difficult it would be to begin Pakistan how complex the task of seeking to identify and divide the assets and liabilities of an Empire the size of British India was to become. He also appreciated more than any other leader of the era that time was his enemy, and any change would require monumental labour.

                “I have placed before you the task that lies ahead of us, Quaid-e-Azam Jinnah told his followers in Lahore 58 years ago. “Do you realise how big and stupendous it is? Do you realize that you cannot get freedom or independence by mere arguments?” He realized that he might not live to witness the birth of Pakistan and hoped to inspire enough healthier young followers with his brilliant vision.
                “We wish to live in peace and harmony with our neighbours as a free and independent people, “President Jinnah told them. “We wish our people to develop to the fullest our spiritual, cultural, economic, social and political life in a way that we think best and in consonance with our own idea and according to the genius of our people. Honesty demand and vital interest of millions of our people impose a sacred duty upon us to find and honourable and peaceful solution which would be just and fair to all… we cannot be moved or diverted.

                A year later, (April 1941) in Madras, Quaid-e-Azam Jinnah elaborated the sort of programme he envisaged, explaining how his followers must dedicate their lives and labour to help transform the Lahore Resolution calling for creation of a sovereign “Land of the Pure” for South Asia’s Muslims, into political reality.

                “Our goal is Pakistan…Now what next? No people can ever succeed in anything….unless they work for it and work hard… what is required now is that you should think… we must now think and devise the programme o a five-years plan, and part of its would be how… best the departments of the national life of Muslim India may be built up. What are those departments?… They are the four main pillars (1) Let us devise a definite well-considered educational plan. It is knowledge, information and enlightenment that make a people great. (2) Next, you know the Muslim are left behind both economically and in the social life of the people of this great land… there is this great province of Madras. May I know what stature the Muslims have in the economic life of this province ?… (3) The next important thing is political training… We must have political soldiers.. (to help us) live… on lines of security, justice and fair play… We believe in action, we believe in statesmanship, and believe in practical politics… The next thing .. (4) I want to tell you is what the ideology of the League is… the ideology of this League is based on the fundamental principle that Muslim of India are an independent nationality, and any attempt to get them to merge their national and political identity and unity will not only be resisted, but… it will be futile… The next thing… is our policy – internal, external and international. Our policy of the All-India Muslim League is to endeavour to promote goodwill and harmony with the other peoples on the base of equality, fair play and reciprocity… with the objective of collective security and orderly development… among free states as members of a community pledged to respect each other’s rights.”

                That was (the outline of your Quaid’s enlightened policy upon which he elaborated on the very eve of Pakistan’s birth, six years later, to the Constituent Assembly in Karachi:
                “I sincerely hope that … we shall make this Constituent Assembly an example to the world… The first and… foremost thing that I would….emphasize is this – remember that you are now a sovereign legislative body and you have to all the powers. It therefore places on you the greatest responsibility as to how you take your decision… You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a Government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property and religious beliefs of its subjects are fully protected by the state.
                “The second thing that occurs to me is this “One of to biggest curses from which India is suffering.. is bribery and corruption. That really is a poison. We must put that down with an iron hand and…Black-marketing is another curse…Now you have to tackle this monster which…is a colossal crime against society, in our distressed conditions, when we constantly face shortage of food…
                “Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great state of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely consent on the well being of the people, especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation forgetting the past, burying the hatchet you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste creed, is first, second and last citizen of this state with equal rights, privileges and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make.
                “I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minorities communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community…will vanish. Indeed, if you ask me this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free peoples long long ago…You are free, you are free to go to your tamples, You are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan… You may belong to any religion or caste on creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the state…We are starting in the days when there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another…We are all citizens and equal citizens of one state…all members of the Nation…and you will find than in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslim would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state…My guiding principle will be justice and complete impartiality, and I am sure that with your support and co-operation, I can look forward to Pakistan becoming one of the greatest Nations of the world”.

                Such was the great dream and legacy of your Nation’s Father. No wonder you continue to revere him as your Quaid-e-Azam, and to enshrine him in your hearts as well as in noble monuments of marble. ‘ But the greatest tribute to any man of such genius and inspired leadership, remember, is the do what he asked of you not simple to pay lip-service to his memory, but to activate his legacy by transforming yourselves, and daily labours and nation wide support and co-operation to help turn his Pakistan and yours into one of the greater Nation of the world!

                Quaid-e-Azam Zindabad!

                Pakistan Zindabad!

                THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS


                  The cause of Pakistan was the ******* in Congress. If those *********** had listened to Muslim demands then there would be no need for Pakistan. Cos we Muslims are tough. If we want something we gonna get it. If that son of a ****** Gandhi was ever considerate of the Muslims, Jinnah would have never have parted with the Congress. The Khalistani people say that Gandhi decieved them and they should have gone with Jinnah into Pakistan instead of Gandhi into India. They should have killed Hindus instead of the Muslims in Punjab. That is what the Sikh Nation says about Gandhi and the Congress. Sorry to be rude but that is the truth. History proves it and you cannot disprove it.

                  [This message has been edited by Salman (edited March 30, 1999).]


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