"Muslim" meals on airlines may not be totally halal

[Sadiaa]

www.eat-halal.com

(June 17, 2001) A spokesman for Cara's Airport Services division has told eat-halal.com that the only thing that is checked for being halal in "Muslim" meals is the meat. This means that haram ingredients could be used to cook the meat and other items in the meal could contain haram ingredients as well. The spokesman also stated that the chickens being used in "Muslim" meals are being supplied by Maple Lodge Farms. Maple Lodge Farms chickens are slaughtered mechanically and mechanically slaughtered animals are not considered Zabihah and should be avoided by Muslims. Cara is Canada's leader in airline catering, serving over 50 domestic and international airlines out of 12 flight kitchens across Canada.

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[CocoNut]

I've always ordered mostly Kosher or sometimes Muslim meals.

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[Najim]

Travel by muslim airlines then,

PIA
Gulf Air
Emarites
Saudia
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Elal (our Jew brothers)

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

Even when you order kosher meals, you should be careful because sometimes the sauces, etc, contain wine.

[Umer]

Originally posted by Najim:
Travel by muslim airlines then,

PIA
Gulf Air
Emarites
Saudia
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Elal (our Jew brothers)

That's a good advice. I'll fly to Pakistan with Royal Jordanian Airlines, so it should be ok?

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Umer, the Pakistani Brain of Austria

[Najim]

These halal fanatics make me really sick. Man you shouldn't use any medicine because most of them contain alchohol. You shouldn't donate your organs ... because its haraaam as well ... etc etc.


I dont care as far as I am guaranteed that meat is halal and is cooked in vegetable oil (not in lard).

Now I'll be declared Kafir because I sometimes eat KFC or BK (dont tell me that they are not halal, I already know that they are not).

[Umer]

Originally posted by Najim:
These halal fanatics make me really sick. Man you shouldn't use any medicine because most of them contain alchohol. You shouldn't donate your organs ... because its haraaam as well ... etc etc.


I dont care as far as I am guaranteed that meat is halal and is cooked in vegetable oil (not in lard).

Now I'll be declared Kafir because I sometimes eat KFC or BK (dont tell me that they are not halal, I already know that they are not).

Najim bhai, I partly agree with you. Printing "100% Halal" on a soap packing, that's what I'd call crossing the line and "fanatic".

But when it comes to food, I think I would fall into your category of "halal fanatics". For example since I found out about that McDonalds-French fries-case, I avoid eating french fries at McDonalds. Actually I don't need to go to McDonalds, there is a lot of good food available elsewhere. Btw, McDonalds food isn't good anyway. My point is, whether you care about it or not, some people do and that shouldn't make you sick.

Regarding your example: For medical reasons it is allowed to use medicine with alcohol in it, if there is no other cure available.

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Umer, the Pakistani Brain of Austria

[This message has been edited by Umer (edited June 20, 2001).]

[freestylla]

Originally posted by Najim:

Now I'll be declared Kafir because I sometimes eat KFC or BK (dont tell me that they are not halal, I already know that they are not).

Ok Najim bro, Im not going to call you a Kafir over here, You might be a better Muslim than I am or anyone else. But my ignorant mind arises a stupid question
"Is it necessary to EAT KFC/BK/Macs etc. Dont tell me there is no Halal Fast Food available in towns. But even if there is not, Can't we bloody live without it, Obviously we can! But worst case scenario; If we can't , then we better not, we better die as a Muslim. Because these SMALL things differentiate us, make us stand on the righteous path from other religions.

Forgive me I am just a ignorant piece of Blab, isn't it Najim bhai? And yeah I didn't even call you a Kafir coz you are not, you are just lost or is it just me??




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[Mr Fraudia]

Originally posted by freestylla:
Because these SMALL things differentiate us, make us stand on the righteous path from other religions.

Funny, I always thought that how one interacts with others, treats others, respects others..the whole haqooq-al-ibaad concept and the true muslim personality is what should make us stand out and not whether the chicken in my hand is from a halal store or not.

I do agree that as a group we need to put more pressure on airlines to offer halal meals as they should be.

I dont think voicing one's opinions make one a fanatic. Yanks cried foul when some Chinese company sent jackets with fur accents that were cat and dog fur...why, because that was against their preferences.

heck screw the airlines take your own kabab roll and samosay etc better than airline food anyways

[kumarakn]

Originally posted by Najim:
These halal fanatics make me really sick. Man you shouldn't use any medicine because most of them contain alchohol. You shouldn't donate your organs ... because its haraaam as well ... etc etc.


I dont care as far as I am guaranteed that meat is halal and is cooked in vegetable oil (not in lard).

Now I'll be declared Kafir because I sometimes eat KFC or BK (dont tell me that they are not halal, I already know that they are not).

Dude, chill out! There are people with principles. and some, value their principles, come what may. If there is somebody who eats only halal stuff, learn to respect his/her adherence to their religious principle.

If you really cannot stop being sick, then just chill out and move out of their way.

Yes, medicines contain alcohol. Some people who are religious may take it, some may not. Learn to appreciate their beliefs and if you can't just move out of their way.

PS: If you really want to stay out of non-halal food, it is very easy in America (even while eating at BK - get the veggie whopper man.

[Najim]

My point is that ... people who say .. dont eat halal food because its cooked in oil & that oil is processed in a machine maid by an alloy and to make that alloy a catalyst was used and in that catalyst there was 0.02% alchohol and its haraam to drink/use alchohol - are definately fanatics.

If its written on the packing/pack or in the menu halal then you should trust the person who is serving it to you.

Umer,

Yaar, I am not saying that you shouldn't eat halal .. you should eat halal but as I mentioned above just pay a little attention if the food is halal ... & dont worry what metal was used to make the pot in which that halal food was cooked.

freestylla,

Well I dont feel proud or special when I eat KFC or Burger king but I mean to say that I do eat them not as regularly as I used to. I prefer to find halal if halal is not available then I eat something non halal.

Fradia,

We muslims will never be happy, I am thinking of pushing the airlines to ask muslim passengars to bring food from home. So far I know one airline in UK/Europe which says that they dont mind if u bring ur food on board because they dont offer anything during flight but have a kiosk (Easyjet http://www.easyjet.com ).

kumarakn:

My first paragraph tell everyone why I feels sick of these fanatics ... and I think I am not wrong. Thanx for your suggestion anyway mate.

[Mr Fraudia]

Najim

There are requests that are reasonable and those that are not. Kosher meals on airlines come sealed and blessed by the rabbis. Muslims are not asking for anything more than that.

It is a business' responsibility to try and meet the needs of its customers. Do you think the average passengers will take it if tomorrow the airline tells them oh sorry but your vegetarian food was cooked with bacon for taste..or oh yeah that chicken is glazed with a secretion of the fruit bat...

People have requirements and a business should either furnish them or not. This halfway **** of "oh yeah we offer halal food, but its not really halal as you mean it" does not fly. Its bad business, its bad customer service, it has ethical issues.

Its simple, a business has to decide whether it wants to cater to a particular group or not. If it does not cater to them let it be known but a half-ass attempt is of little value.

Make it simple for people, either tell them you will offer halal food, or that you will not and thus make people make their purchase decision. Its not a huge requirement, zabeeha meat..and no pork or pork byproducts.

I see it less of a "fanatic" issue. but more shady business practice by companies

[Peacemaker]

>>"Muslim" meals on airlines may not be totally halal

Humpf! Kiya chahtay hein aap log? Ghar say tiffin bandh karr jahaz mein chara karein?

Come to think of it, thats a darn good idea.

[Mr Fraudia]

Peacemaker

whether it was halal, kosher, vegetarian or whatever. I would prefer to take my own food, whether its linguine arrabiate, nihari or moo goo gai pan..it would be better than airline food.

[Peacemaker]

Good! Then its decided. Peer saab has issued the fatwa

• From now on, all guppies are required to obtain a tiffin carrier... and should carry their own home-cooked, nutritious, tasty, halaal food into the aeroplane.

That will solve several problems in one go. Kewl! that was easy.