Suppressed Women

[khan_sahib]

While on holiday in Pakistan recently, I took notice of a lot of things but something that keep bothering me is the plight of girls.

Actually, I was talking to my sister who is studying medicine and I asked her how many girls take Hijab in your college and why. She said to me that there were quite a number of girls who take hijab (or niqab) and u can divide them into 3 categories.

1 - Girls who wears it coz there future husbands want it.
2 - Girls who wears it but come earlier in the morning so that no one sees them in it and then they take it off asap.
3 - Girls who wear it as they understand why there is a need.

She also mentioned another category of girls who want to wear Hijab as they understand the importance of it but are afraid of their parents who are of the opinion that it might cause hinderance in their marriage. Some think that their daughters/sisters have become wahabi (if the girls are persistent in wearing it).

I WONDERED IF THEY WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS SUPPRESSED WOMEN.

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I have learnt silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers.

Khalil Gibran



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[Topee Wala]

Islam tells the women to do Hijab. That is a fact. But it is the gilrs CHOICE. You can not force someone to do Hijab as it is a personall decision. There is no use if a girl wears a hijab and flurts with every guy on the block.

Women should not be forced to do Hijab, it is there choice.

The unfortunte thing is that women are alwasy forced to dress a certain way. Even here in the west, to look attractive and be sucessful girls have to juggle between dressing nicely, looking attractive yet not to look like a ... Back in Pakistan, the women are forced to to bardah.

[khan_sahib]

Originally posted by Topee Wala:
Islam tells the women to do Hijab. That is a fact. But it is the gilrs CHOICE. You can not force someone to do Hijab as it is a personall decision. There is no use if a girl wears a hijab and flurts with every guy on the block.

Women should not be forced to do Hijab, it is there choice.

The unfortunte thing is that women are alwasy forced to dress a certain way. Even here in the west, to look attractive and be sucessful girls have to juggle between dressing nicely, looking attractive yet not to look like a ... Back in Pakistan, the women are forced to to bardah.

I think u didn't read the whole thing b4 u jumped on and commented on in the post. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/rotato.gif

[SalmanKHan_MozleM]

Salamz

thanx alot for sharing this information with us khan ji.

It is the duty of the mother to make the daughter used to wearing hijab when she is growing.

I wouldn't want my sister or mom to quit wearing hijab. It is an Allah's order and secondly i would be jealous why the hell should na-mehram look at my mom and my sister!

you forgot mentioning the girls who quit wearing hijab after marriage cuz their hubby'z dont want them to wear. There are many of them.

It's Allah's order and a sin not wearing it. But unfortunaltey our sisters dont realize the importance these dayz. Likewise its a sin if a guy doesnt grow a beard. Most of our brothers dont do that either. all sad. !

I myself wont marry a girl who doesnt wear hijab. cuz its like she doesnt care for Allah Who has been providing her with everything since she was born, how will she care for me ?

I dunno if they are suppressed women . !! pata nahin kis category mein hein. cuz now a dayz everyonez da same ... few exceptions..

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[al-Ra’d 13:28]

[Puther-Jibraan]

I think leena had a post recently which gave narrations the Hadith why they should wear hijab.

It is really the womans choice bcz its her way of protection so if shes at work and someone asks her to go for a drink then she has to tell them shes a Muslim so she can't drink. The Hijab is an easier way of telling ppl that and many other things too.

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Shakspeer kheta hai...

[isloo_ki_anarkali]

nah..i dont think that category should be classified as suppressed...mainly because if they think they should be in hijaab..the resolve to do so should be strong.....about the part..rishtay nahin ayain gaye or sumthin...well....thats something they ve to tackle ...get this thought out of their parents minds..usually ive noticed that parents are extra supportive when kids take initiative to religion....

[nia_khan]

well well....whatever u said is right 100%...
here in college..in New York.. i see hijabi girls smoking..going out with guys..and all that crap...guys find it attractive..and thinks..it is good ...but real and decent guys knows...they r full of junk...
well there are alot of them who understand the real meaning behind this..who knows...what does it means..to wear one..who knows...they have to cover themselves up..this is how it should be...she wears it because she suppose to..she wants to..she understands it..and she wants to be diff...

let me tell u my own experiene
came to usa...wearing hijab..saw cousins and other people...in skirts..went like what the heck...is this what woman is...no it is not..it is wrong ...several questions went in my brain...i was 13 back then..i knew what my dad and mom taught me..even though they were with me here in usa..but still..going to highschool and all that... i was the first one i think in school..who wore it..it was yet hard..to face everyone...with several stupid questions..and hear all jokes..but i went like..."dont give a dam what they think...i know what i am doing is right.."...is ka asar yeh hoa hai ab Mashallah so proud to say ...My younger sister wears it... and i am so proud of her.. we taught her the real meaning of it..and she understands it...
people are diff...women too...
i see men..who are mulana...others drink...others have gf..and...... some are so dam confuse ...that they drink..at night and go for nimaz in masjid in the morning...shoulc i call them suppressed MEN... (no offense)

anyway......read my poem in general..... might be helpful to clear...your confuse thought...one more thing......
girls need to understand...dunya me kahe kitabe hai...par Quran sharif he cover me kio .....jis tarha Quran sharif cover me hota hai...us ke izzat tamam dunya ke kitabo se ziada ke jate hai....
another example... Khana kaba... wo bhe cover he hota hai....jab yeh dono cheeze ke opar se cover hatta hai to un ke kobsurate ko dekh ke hamare muh se.. kud bakud.. "SubhanAllah" nikalta hai...


got more questions... ask

[khan_sahib]

Originally posted by isloo_ki_anarkali:
nah..i dont think that category should be classified as suppressed...mainly because if they think they should be in hijaab..the resolve to do so should be strong.....about the part..rishtay nahin ayain gaye or sumthin...well....thats something they ve to tackle ...get this thought out of their parents minds..usually ive noticed that parents are extra supportive when kids take initiative to religion....

I think this support of parents (or society) is not always there. It only comes when the girls/boys follow the cultural "Islam" which their parents follow not the one which they learn from themselves. It is sad that these people are thought to be fools or extremists within their own circles.

Nia, I am a bit more confused especially with your definition of Suppressed Men. Could u plz elaborate.

[Muzna]

Very interesting approach khan sahib.

In order to answer your question, doesn't one need first to define the word suppressed?

Let's see what the Webster has to say about it:

Main Entry: sup·press
Pronunciation: s&-'pres
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin suppressus, past participle of supprimere, from sub- + premere to press -- more at PRESS
Date: 14th century
1 : to put down by authority or force : SUBDUE
2 : to keep from public knowledge: as a : to keep secret b : to stop or prohibit the publication or revelation of
3 a : to exclude from consciousness b : to keep from giving vent to : CHECK
4 obsolete : to press down
5 a : to restrain from a usual course or action <suppress a cough> b : to inhibit the growth or development of
6 : to inhibit the genetic expression of <suppress a mutation>
- sup·press·ibil·i·ty /-"pre-s&-'bi-l&-tE/ noun
- sup·press·ible /-'pre-s&-b&l/ adjective
- sup·pres·sive /-'pre-siv/ adjective
- sup·pres·sive·ness /-n&s/ noun


And let's also, for curiosity's sake, check to see what oppressed means:

Main Entry: op·press
Pronunciation: &-'pres
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French oppresser, from Latin oppressus, past participle of opprimere, from ob- against + premere to press -- more at OB-, PRESS
Date: 14th century
1 a archaic : SUPPRESS b : to crush or burden by abuse of power or authority
2 : to burden spiritually or mentally : weigh heavily upon
synonym see WRONG
- op·pres·sor /-'pre-s&r/ noun


There....now that we have the two definitions....what do you guys think about khan sahib's conclusion/question?

[LooksCanKill]

Well we got cultural incompatibility here in our discussion as well. Hijaab atleast in Pakistan is pretty much undermined for its true meaning and not understood for. I'm originally from Karachi, but i live in USA. When i was in paki, honestly there were a lot of things i took for granted as a muslim because u r so culturally baptized in ur own paki culture. We aren't aware of anything about religion beyond what we have as part of our culture not to mention, which is inherited majorly from Hindustani customs. Hijaab without a doubt is a must in Islam for a woman, its very sad to say that u get suppressed or targeted in several ways in an Islamic country like Pakistan for following it, rather than here in USA where u feel proud when u get a chance to show the integrity of ur religion. In my perspective the fault is with both the new generation and the old generation, the new generation follows west and thinks legitmitely in their frame of reference whereas our older generation think garbage in the context of what they inherited from there forefathers in hindustan. In essence our people are making a mockery out of their own religion by ramming it against cultural needs. Someone here cannot symbolize their country by preaching islam here when its not being properly enforced in their own homeland, which they represent.

[khan_sahib]

Thanks Muzna for the clarification.

I meant the Social Oppression = Soppression i.e. the social prohibitions that are unseen but very influential.

[K-2]

To Topee Wala

Salaam brother, so you are saying that in a real Islamic country, a Muslim woman has a choice to disobey Allah not to wear hijab in public, since you cannot force her and that this would be considered as her personal mistake. Also by choice, I think you mean that according to Islamic Sharia there is no law that the government can enforce to ask a Muslima to wear hijab in public. So what if a woman wear semi-naked, sleeve less shirts or tight clothes in public, would then you think that government has the power according to sharia to ask the lady to cover herself properly?

So I am confused here about the 'extent' of the body that a person male/female must cover according to sharia in public in which government has the power to interrupt?

Also the term 'choice' here is tricky. We know that for Muslima hijab is compulsory in public, and it's not a sunnah or optional thing. But I think by choice Topee Wala you means that government cannot force her, but it would be consider mistake/sin on her own part.

BTW, I thought according to sharia an Islamic government has the power to ask an adult Muslima to wear hijab in public. In other words, by law a woman must wear hijab in public. Your comments please.

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[Ch. Lal Din]

I think Khan Sahib they can be classified as supperesed.

And K 2 ur question is really worth discussion. Very good point. Ur argument is so compelling that i must admit that gov should have power to force this implementation.

Now here is another point, should parents be given the same authority to force this implementation of perda on their aulad?????????

[nia_khan]

Originally posted by khan_sahib:
I think this support of parents (or society) is not always there. It only comes when the girls/boys follow the cultural "Islam" which their parents follow not the one which they learn from themselves. It is sad that these people are thought to be fools or extremists within their own circles.

Nia, I am a bit more confused especially with your definition of Suppressed Men. Could u plz elaborate.

khan sahib...u didnt get the joke...

muzna baji .... http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/ok.gif **thinking u got it**
in btw..nice nick..does it have a meaning..

[khan_sahib]

Originally posted by nia_khan:

khan sahib...u didnt get the joke...

muzna baji .... http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/ok.gif **thinking u got it**
in btw..nice nick..does it have a meaning..

nia, I am more confused.

ch lal din, I believe that parents forcing Islam on their kids is the problem rather than the solution.