Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

fascination with "gora rang"

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    fascination with "gora rang"

    Hi guppies,

    Have you ever wondered why our people, actually no not only our people but people from all over asia have a fascination with white skin??

    You can not be pleasing to the eye, but if you are light skinned people think you are beautiful.

    You can have a dark skin colour and be absolutely beautiful but people will still say "she/he is a dark". It is as if it is a curse.
    Why is this??

    some people are so SAD that they wont even marry a person who is maybe a shade darker than the "norm"!!!! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smash.gif

    I have actually witnessed parents favouring their lighter coloured children than the darker coloured ones!!!It is LUDICROUS!!!

    By doing this dont they realise they are already psychologically damaging the childs self-esteem???

    Where does this come from??
    Do we still have ideas from the British Raj unconsciously imbedded in our brains??

    Or do we truly believe that white is a more superior colour???

    Would love to hear your points of view.

    [This message has been edited by Mariah (edited September 22, 2000).]

    #2
    Given a choice, nobody would like to be from the "darkers" - everybody would like to be from the "brighter" side. Some time you may feel that nature itself is racist for not only skin colour variations, but also because of other materialistic or unmaterialistic things we are given. But as a matter of fact, this ads only beauty to the world. Had there not been anybody with dark skin, we might haven't had any definition of white skin.

    As we prefer bahaar over khizaaN, sardi over garmi, tandrusti over beemaari, khush-haali over bad-haali even ammi over abu as per nature, we somehow tend to like white skin more than black. But those who are genius among us, find very soon the true color of a human being which has nothing to do with black or white!


    [This message has been edited by Amal (edited September 22, 2000).]
    Reh gaya kaam hamaara hi baghawat likhna...

    Comment


      #3
      Mariah, apparently you are so very right. I have seen this to be true majority of the time. Have a friend whose mother is very light skinned and father is a bit dark. Whenever, her mum's friends are over, they always ask, "Is this YOUR daughter." These kind of degrading statements have an influence on youngesters which elders are very oblivious to see. And this constant torture by other folks has driven her to the conclusion that she is not going to marry anyone unless he is light skinned. She justifies her decision by saying she doesn't want her kids going thru the same thing that she herself has been through (though I have tried explaining to her that the kids can take after the mother as well).

      The sheer ignorance of society specially coming from family members can really affect the well being of a child. The mental growth and stability which starts at home, is absent in most of these sort of cases. I think the sad part is that our society chooses to judge people according to their skin color. They absolutely refuse to see beyond that. A change is nearly impossible t take place, until and unless the types of people under discussion here, learn to rise above and beyond the color of the skin. If the Creator SWT is one, if He chooses people according to their deeds, who are we to come up with our own judgements?

      Comment


        #4
        Amal,

        I`m sorry but I have to disagree with you I dont think it is natural. Everything comes with socialisation. The environment a child is bought up in has an enormous impact on the way he/she thinks, it isnt natural. Achild grows up in the jungle, he will behave like an animal, if he is bought up amid humans he will inherit their thoughts and ideas. If you tell a child from a young age certain things, they wont know any better, they believe you, even though you are wrong. This personality "moulding" stays with the child for life.

        RD&G,

        I`m quite sorry to hear about your frinds thoughts, but then she is a product of that type of thinking. You are right, our society needs to rise above it, but sadly I cant see them doing so.

        Comment


          #5
          Qualities or traits that you don't posses either attract you or frighten/intimidate you. I think you guys are giving a little too much credit to our desis brethern.. What about gorees who spend their whole day under the sun or in a tanning bed to get that perfect tan? Lets not leave them outta the discussion!

          Comment


            #6
            Ghalib,

            What you are talking about is a fashion trend, and anyway they end up looking like lobsters any way!!

            What I am trying to get across is this is a serious problem, more serious than you think, in our society. But hey, I`m sure you were aware of that.

            Comment


              #7
              Mariah,
              First of all, you are welcome to disagree with me though I can't reciprocate since I clearly see the point you have!

              You are pointing towards the flawless upbrining of a child. Your solution appears to be more serious than the related problem. If we bring up a kid in a fkawkess fashion, it could solve not only the complexion problem, but could go far from that - even to the extent of solving our national crises. I hope now you won't need to disagree with me
              Reh gaya kaam hamaara hi baghawat likhna...

              Comment


                #8
                Originally posted by Amal:
                Mariah,

                You are pointing towards the flawless upbrining of a child. Your solution appears to be more serious than the related problem. If we bring up a kid in a fkawkess fashion, it could solve not only the complexion problem, but could go far from that - even to the extent of solving our national crises. I hope now you won't need to disagree with me
                I dont think I have as yet put forward any solutions, just a thoery of which I have widely read and is also true.

                Secondly I have not said that a child should be brought up flawlessly, only that his/her surroundings will have an enormous impact on the way they think.

                I think is impossible for a human not to have flaws.

                Comment


                  #9
                  I dont agree with Amal as 'we prefer' lighter to darker color. its the sickness of our society. Due to lack of education people regard color as the basic standard to beauty. In fact color has nothing to do with color. i personally like darker skin color. Good thing is as education is spreading people in sub-continent are shifting from this trend and their first criteria is the person itself.
                  I hav eseen most pethatic sites here in States when students come and r facinated by gooris and run after them. Ihave many black girls as friends and I am quite happy with that.
                  Saints are fine for Heaven, but they are hell on earth.

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mariah:
                    I dont think I have as yet put forward any solutions...I think is impossible for a human not to have flaws.
                    My dear friend, if a flawless (I'll explain flawless later) upbringing of a child is not a solution, than there isn't any solution to this problem at all!

                    When you educate a child, you do not tell a child that being black is an inferiority, you educate the child in a way that he/she automatically understands what is "dark" and what is "bright" and what actually both the terms stand for. One more thing, being educated is not meant to be civilised as well. It is only your upbringing which injects into you the ability to judge better who is who and what is what.

                    See Degas, he says he "personally like darker skin." Does it mean that all black people are good? Does not it hints at his personal "preferences" which he is not ready to acknowledge and passing the buck to the "sickness" of the society? Tell me what is society? What is the making of a society? Not us??? How could you say that you like a person with a particular complexion? Let me remind you again that the true colour of human has nothing to do with black or white. Those who are true people, colour variations do not bother them. However, those (like me) who are blind to see the true colour of a human, are always disturbed by the "black & white."

                    Now Mariahji, the flawless thing. It is understood that NOTHING on the face of earth is flawless! When we talk about something or someone being flawless, it refers to its being flawless to a certain possible extent. Explaining the word "flawless" to the educated people like you is like stating the obvious just like that one Sardaarji told his friend that he has two daughters and both are girls!



                    [This message has been edited by Amal (edited September 22, 2000).]
                    Reh gaya kaam hamaara hi baghawat likhna...

                    Comment


                      #11
                      I wonder y ppl r categorized as gora n kala n neela n peela n bla blah .. aren't we human beings first?? i personally don't like to b judged by my coloring, n m sure nobody does.. then y ppl alwayz in a haste to judge others by their complexion n all....?!?! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/frusty.gif

                      Stay Kool http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smooth.gif
                      Adios

                      ------------------
                      I'd rather be RiCh than sTuPiD.

                      Comment


                        #12
                        I agree. This is so sad. But apparently this kind of thinking is not new and not just Pakistanis or Indians think this way. My room mate's Chinese and they prefer people who are pale as well. Dont you think this also has something to do with the Europeans being so dominant over us in the past?? So many of the Asian countries were at one time or another, colonies of the British, French, Portuguese etc. All of them had racist mentalities, they thought darker skinned people were inferior to them, they had black slaves. Maybe its their thinking that has influenced us.

                        [This message has been edited by hk (edited September 22, 2000).]

                        [This message has been edited by hk (edited September 22, 2000).]

                        Comment


                          #13
                          >>>What you are talking about is a fashion trend..

                          Yes I am and so are you but just don;t recognize it that way. People imitate and admire whats appealing to them or what they don;t posses. (Ever heard "andhoon mein kaana raja?") People appreciate what appeals to their minds and what they concieve is an exceptional trait.

                          Now, what you may want to analyze here is our obssession with the West with the admiration for "White Color" as a by product. So the undelying cause just maybe that we admire the West and what it posseses since we associate it with "advancement" and prosperity. You touched on it with your original post: "Do we still have ideas from the British Raj unconsciously imbedded in our brains??" and my answer is Yes! Lets work on this one!

                          If you just want to question a presonal preference of color, I really don;t see a point of this thread. You admire what appeals to your eyes and hence want to imitate. Its a matter of personal preference..

                          >>>What I am trying to get across is this is a serious problem, more serious than you think, in our society

                          I think a bigger problem is our infatuation with the west which leads to the type of behavior you're trying to get across.

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Originally posted by ghalib:
                            >>>What you are talking about is a fashion trend..

                            Yes I am and so are you but just don;t recognize it that way. People imitate and admire whats appealing to them or what they don;t posses. (Ever heard "andhoon mein kaana raja?") People appreciate what appeals to their minds and what they concieve is an exceptional trait.

                            Now, what you may want to analyze here is our obssession with the West with the admiration for "White Color" as a by product. So the undelying cause just maybe that we admire the West and what it posseses since we associate it with "advancement" and prosperity. You touched on it with your original post: "Do we still have ideas from the British Raj unconsciously imbedded in our brains??" and my answer is Yes! Lets work on this one!

                            If you just want to question a presonal preference of color, I really don;t see a point of this thread. You admire what appeals to your eyes and hence want to imitate. Its a matter of personal preference..

                            >>>What I am trying to get across is this is a serious problem, more serious than you think, in our society

                            I think a bigger problem is our infatuation with the west which leads to the type of behavior you're trying to get across.
                            Ghalib, finally a good composed answer..hope you werent annoyed with my earlier comment..You have however finally hit the nail on the head..However I believe that this is`nt a fashion trend as it doesnt cost money and so every person from every class is able to think it and have had this thought for many years and will continue doing so.

                            P.S I havent heard that saying..

                            hk,
                            Yes you see even chinese people do the same..

                            Thanks guys

                            [This message has been edited by Mariah (edited September 22, 2000).]

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Mariah our fascination with the gora rang is been fed into our psyche dating back to when we were ruled by goras, thus causing envious response. I am totally against judging another person based on their skin color, but unfortunately not many of our people share this view. It is just a hype that fueled by media and even religion that dark is evil and light is holy , etc etc. You can notice this in most paki/indian songs and movies, how the admired personality is always somehow "white" in color. So by observing all this preferences given to gora pann we tend to follow like mindless drones, which is obiously human nature.
                              Its only resolve will be to provide our people with higher education as degas mentioned, and also some exposure to multiracial enviroments, so they can accept the fact that it doesnt matter what you are on the outside, but its what inside that counts.

                              ------------------
                              oİş°¨¨°şİo LiFe Is An IllUsIoN aNd ReAliTy iS a FiGmEnT oF tHe iMaGiNaIiOn oİş°¨¨°şİo

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X