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    Experiences Beyond Our Senses

    Whenever we see a beautiful building of great splendor and design, we can easily understand that its architect, master, builder and mason were each expert of his own craft, We discover the knowledge of and science of its builder from observing such a well propotioned building. Similarly by looking at a car, an airoplane, a computer or any other will designed airtifact, we are invariably guided to weill informed and knowledgeable inventors, discovers and makers. We are made aware of their skill and learning. It is not necessary in anyone of these instances to actually see the constructor of the building or other objects with our eyes to testify to knowledge with any of our external senses.

    Never the less we believe is his science and knowledge because that same orderliness which we percieved in the artifacts, forces us to recognize the knowlege of the constructor, we then reach the conclusion that it is in no case necessary that something whose existance we wish to believe in should be visible or tangible, there are many facts which are not perceptible to our external senses , but we become aware of them by paying care and attention to what effect they produce. Every wise person understands without exercising too much effort that there can be no effect without a cause; nothing orderly without a wise and knowledgeable desinger.

    We can divide the things of the world into two categories on this basis, one is the category of things which are evident to one or more of the five senses. We observe visible things with our eyes, we hear sounds with our ears, we become aware of pleasant and unpleasant smells, better and sweet tastes, hot and cold rough and smooth, with our nose, tongue adn skin of out body.

    Another is the category which are not percieved by any of our five senses but whose existence we can deduce be considering their effects. These facts are not all of one kind , some are material and some are non material, that is lacking material limits or properties.

    Electricity is one of the e.g. fallin in this category. By looking at two wires, once of which is electrified. We cannot determine which of these has electric current . We can only discover the existance of the current from the effect of the electricity, that is a lamp being lit. Electricity then is something which exists although our eyes cannot directly see it.

    Lile electricity, gravitation has the same quality. If you let go the book whish you have it in your hands it will fall to the ground. The ground will pull the book towards itself, this power is something which we donot percieve directly through our senses. Gravitation is again one of those things which is not visible but of whose existance we feel sure through observing the falling bodies ---- which is its result

    Phenomenon of magnetism too yeilds the same results, we place a magnet besides a piece of iron. Externally there is nothing except what we see, but when the iron is pulled towards the magnet, we understand that in the space around the magnet is the phenomenon of magnetism exists.

    Like gravity and magnetism invisible radiation too follows the same trend. if we shine white sun light through a prisms, on the otherside of the cyrstal we see six colors (the spectrum) which are red, orange , yellow, green, blue and violet. This side of red and beyond violet no more colors are to be seen.

    Falling the same category are inaudible sounds , which are sounds we do not hear. These are called supersonic sounds , we discover their existance by examining their effects.

    We cannot exclude intelligence from our discussion, which falls in the same category. We are all aware of ourselves, we percieve that we exists, we can also arrive at concepts in gradual manner concerning matters outside ourselves. Humanbeings are aware of their knowledge. Intelligence is not something visible or audible in a sense that person can see it with their eyes or hear it with their ears; although it is intangible everyones find it in himself in addition to powers of sight and hearing the other external facilities. Other people cannot learn about other's intelligence through the five senses, but must deduce its existance from the effects it produces.

    Love, hate and determination are not just like electricity, gravity etc visible or tangible things, which can be perceived through the external senses. Everyone has on the other hand teh liking for something. Also although the one's life one is in need of determination. For every task that one likes to do, one determines to accompolish it. For every task that one doesnot like to do, one leaves it aside and determines not to do it. No one can understand directly the determinations of someone else and what he likes or doesont like unless from the effects or reactions of it.

    Life is again a phenomenon whose existance can be disconvered by teh effects it produces, but we cannot directly percieve it. Suppose if we see an alive animal and a dead one, It is clear that there is something which exist in the alive and doesnot exit in the dead one. Life is not an object to the senses itself. We can only percieve the effects of it like movement, eating etc. and from the effects we discover it existance.

    The established scientific facts mentioned above make it clear that over and above the sensory organs, there are also things which we do not directly percieve adn which we know about only because of the effects they produce.

    Thus we draw the conclusion that it is not right for us to reject something which we do not see only becuase it is not visible. Being invisible is different from not existing and the way of discovering something is not confined to the eyes or the other external senses. Reason can discover somethings by the means of the effects of those things as we saw in the case of the existance of scientific facts that are known through their results and which are not derived or doubted by any competent person.

    We cannot say that God is similar to these facts because God is truth higher then these, to which nothing is equal or comparable. We can discover the existance of God through hsi signs in the same way we discover the existance of these things through their effects.

    Those who observe only with their physical eyes and who deny the existance of God because they cannot see Him with these eyes are blind to the eyes of wisdom. We know by the dictates of wisdom through the precise regulations of creation --- which is one of the signs of God, In that his existance can be discovered because tere is a sign of God in every creature.

    To these people a poet said

    " Open thy hearts eye, your soul to see,
    And what is invisible will be made menifest to thee"

    We there for see the things by studying the signs of God. First of all the existence of the Creator of the universe in which in which all things are His sign. Secondly because these signs are without limits and are not specific to any one time or place, He is being unlimited and possesing every perfection, although we cannot percieve His Reality

    #2
    Originally posted by Mr. Pakistani:
    Reason can discover somethings by the means of the effects of those things as we saw in the case of the existance of scientific facts that are known through their results and which are not derived or doubted by any competent person.

    We cannot say that God is similar to these facts because God is truth higher then these, to which nothing is equal or comparable. We can discover the existance of God through hsi signs in the same way we discover the existance of these things through their effects.

    First you explained the might of Reason, then you asume that this Reason is not good enough to explain god.

    Its seems like a contradiction.....
    بِن دانا پانی میں جی لواں
    بِن انَک میں جی نہ سکاں

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      #3
      Originally posted by MiniMe:
      First you explained the might of Reason, then you asume that this Reason is not good enough to explain god.

      Its seems like a contradiction.....
      Minimine If you read the second verse carefully you will see, all i am trying to Imply is that these were some little examples of understand the concept that all the things are invisible to our eyes, or in audible to our ears doesnt mean that it doen't exist, But you cannot compare the God with anything, His khudaii is high above these little examples. We can discover his existance through his signs the same way we discovered the existence of those things by its effects.

      [This message has been edited by Mr. Pakistani (edited September 06, 2000).]

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        #4
        I got this story via e-mail I guess I should post it here.
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        Fantastic Use Of Logic: - WHY SCIENCE FAILS TO EXPLAIN GOD?

        At an educational institution: Professing to be wise, they became fools...LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with God. The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

        -You're a Muslim, aren't you, son?
        -Yes, sir.
        -So you believe in God?
        -Absolutely.
        -Is God good?
        -Sure! God's good.
        -Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?
        -Yes.

        The professor grins knowingly and considers for a moment. Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?

        -Yes sir, I would.
        -So you're good...!
        -I wouldn't say that.
        -Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't.
        -[No answer]
        -He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Muslim who died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. How is this God good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?
        -[No answer]

        The elderly man is sympathetic.
        -No, you can't, can you?
        He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
        In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. Let's start again, young fella.
        Is God good?
        -Er... Yes.
        -Is Satan good?
        -No.
        -Where does Satan come from?
        -The student falters. From... God...
        -That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking,student audience.
        -I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen.
        He turns back to the Muslim.
        -Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?
        -Yes, sir.
        -Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?
        -Yes.
        -Who created evil?
        -[No answer]
        -Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things - do they exist in his world?

        The student squirms on his feet.
        -Yes.
        -Who created them?
        -[No answer]
        -The professor suddenly shouts at his student. WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!
        The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Muslim's face. In a still small voice: God created all evil, didn't He, son?
        -[No answer]

        The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.

        -Tell me, he continues, How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time? The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?
        -[No answer]
        -Don't you see it all over the place? Huh? Pause. Don't you?
        The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers,
        -Is God good?
        -[No answer]
        -Do you believe in God, son?

        The student's voice betrays him and cracks.
        -Yes, professor. I do.

        -The old man shakes his head sadly. Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. You have never seen God, Have you?
        -No, sir. I've never seen Him.
        -Then tell us if you've ever heard your God?
        -No, sir. I have not.
        -Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God or smelt your God...in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?
        -[No answer]
        -Answer me, please.
        -No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.
        -You're AFRAID... you haven't?
        -No, sir.
        -Yet you still believe in him?
        -yes...
        -That takes FAITH!

        The professor smiles sagely at the underling.
        -According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
        Where is your God now?
        -[The student doesn't answer]
        -Sit down, please.

        The Muslim sits...Defeated.

        Another Muslim raises his hand.
        -Professor, may I address the class?
        -The professor turns and smiles. Ah, another Muslim in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering.
        The Muslim looks around the room.
        -Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?
        -Yes, the professor replies. There's heat.
        -Is there such a thing as cold?
        -Yes, son, there's cold too.
        -No, sir, there isn't.

        The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold.

        -The second Muslim continues. You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 - You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

        Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.

        -Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?
        -That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?
        -So you say there is such a thing as darkness?
        -Yes...
        -You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?
        That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality,Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you... give me a jar of darker darkness, Professor?

        Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him.
        -This will indeed be a good semester. Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?

        -Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error....

        -The professor goes toxic. Flawed...? How dare you...!
        -Sir, may I explain what I mean?

        The class is all ears.

        -Explain... oh, explain...
        The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.

        -You are working on the premise of duality, the Muslim explains.
        That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
        Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it.

        The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor.

        -Is there such a thing as immorality?
        -Of course there is, now look...
        -Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice?
        -No.
        -Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?

        The Muslim pauses. Isn't evil the absence of good?

        The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless. The Muslim continues.

        -If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? Islam tells us it is to see if each one of us will, choose good over evil.

        The professor bridles.
        -As a philosophical scientist, I don't vie this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable.

        -I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going, the Muslim replies. Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
        -If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.
        -Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

        The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.

        -Professor. Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?

        -I will overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished? the professor hisses.

        -So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?
        -I believe in what is - that's science!
        -Ahh! SCIENCE! the student's face splits into a grin. Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed...SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?

        The professor splutters.

        The class is in uproar. The Muslim remains standing until the commotion has subsided.
        -To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?

        The professor wisely keeps silent. The Muslim looks around the room.
        -Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen air, Oxygen,molecules, atoms, the professor's brain?

        The class breaks out in laughter.
        -The Muslim points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?

        -No one appears to have done so. The Muslim shakes his head sadly. It appears no one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical,stable, demonstrable protocol, science,

        I DECLARE that the professor has no brain.

        The Muslim sits...Because that's what a chair is for!!!

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          #5
          Mr.Pakistani aap kehan se tepkay...hmmmm

          n e ways Salaam......

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            #6
            Originally posted by Clementine:
            I got this story via e-mail I guess I should post it here.
            ---------

            Fantastic Use Of Logic: - WHY SCIENCE FAILS TO EXPLAIN GOD?

            At an educational institution: Professing to be wise, they became fools...LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with God. The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

            -You're a Muslim, aren't you, son?
            -Yes, sir.
            -So you believe in God?
            -Absolutely.
            -Is God good?
            -Sure! God's good.
            -Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?
            -Yes.

            The professor grins knowingly and considers for a moment. Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?

            -Yes sir, I would.
            -So you're good...!
            -I wouldn't say that.
            -Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't.
            -[No answer]
            -He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Muslim who died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. How is this God good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?
            -[No answer]

            The elderly man is sympathetic.
            -No, you can't, can you?
            He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
            In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. Let's start again, young fella.
            Is God good?
            -Er... Yes.
            -Is Satan good?
            -No.
            -Where does Satan come from?
            -The student falters. From... God...
            -That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking,student audience.
            -I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen.
            He turns back to the Muslim.
            -Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?
            -Yes, sir.
            -Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?
            -Yes.
            -Who created evil?
            -[No answer]
            -Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things - do they exist in his world?

            The student squirms on his feet.
            -Yes.
            -Who created them?
            -[No answer]
            -The professor suddenly shouts at his student. WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!
            The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Muslim's face. In a still small voice: God created all evil, didn't He, son?
            -[No answer]

            The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.

            -Tell me, he continues, How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time? The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?
            -[No answer]
            -Don't you see it all over the place? Huh? Pause. Don't you?
            The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers,
            -Is God good?
            -[No answer]
            -Do you believe in God, son?

            The student's voice betrays him and cracks.
            -Yes, professor. I do.

            -The old man shakes his head sadly. Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. You have never seen God, Have you?
            -No, sir. I've never seen Him.
            -Then tell us if you've ever heard your God?
            -No, sir. I have not.
            -Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God or smelt your God...in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?
            -[No answer]
            -Answer me, please.
            -No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.
            -You're AFRAID... you haven't?
            -No, sir.
            -Yet you still believe in him?
            -yes...
            -That takes FAITH!

            The professor smiles sagely at the underling.
            -According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
            Where is your God now?
            -[The student doesn't answer]
            -Sit down, please.

            The Muslim sits...Defeated.

            Another Muslim raises his hand.
            -Professor, may I address the class?
            -The professor turns and smiles. Ah, another Muslim in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering.
            The Muslim looks around the room.
            -Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?
            -Yes, the professor replies. There's heat.
            -Is there such a thing as cold?
            -Yes, son, there's cold too.
            -No, sir, there isn't.

            The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold.

            -The second Muslim continues. You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 - You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

            Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.

            -Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?
            -That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?
            -So you say there is such a thing as darkness?
            -Yes...
            -You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?
            That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality,Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you... give me a jar of darker darkness, Professor?

            Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him.
            -This will indeed be a good semester. Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?

            -Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error....

            -The professor goes toxic. Flawed...? How dare you...!
            -Sir, may I explain what I mean?

            The class is all ears.

            -Explain... oh, explain...
            The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.

            -You are working on the premise of duality, the Muslim explains.
            That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
            Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it.

            The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor.

            -Is there such a thing as immorality?
            -Of course there is, now look...
            -Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice?
            -No.
            -Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?

            The Muslim pauses. Isn't evil the absence of good?

            The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless. The Muslim continues.

            -If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? Islam tells us it is to see if each one of us will, choose good over evil.

            The professor bridles.
            -As a philosophical scientist, I don't vie this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable.

            -I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going, the Muslim replies. Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
            -If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.
            -Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

            The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.

            -Professor. Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?

            -I will overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished? the professor hisses.

            -So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?
            -I believe in what is - that's science!
            -Ahh! SCIENCE! the student's face splits into a grin. Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed...SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?

            The professor splutters.

            The class is in uproar. The Muslim remains standing until the commotion has subsided.
            -To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?

            The professor wisely keeps silent. The Muslim looks around the room.
            -Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen air, Oxygen,molecules, atoms, the professor's brain?

            The class breaks out in laughter.
            -The Muslim points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?

            -No one appears to have done so. The Muslim shakes his head sadly. It appears no one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical,stable, demonstrable protocol, science,

            I DECLARE that the professor has no brain.

            The Muslim sits...Because that's what a chair is for!!!
            i got the same thing in my email.....it was really fun to read it!!!!!!

            thanx for sharing it with us!!!!

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            *hI MaAR sUttEa*

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ms. Pakistani:
              Mr.Pakistani aap kehan se tepkay...hmmmm

              n e ways Salaam......

              Wsalaaam

              Hum toh yehan kaafi arsey hain, but I don't post that often, thats y u dont know me.


              Black beauty nice joke, thanks for sharing with us


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                #8
                Soooooooooooo Looooooooooooong Pooooooooosts



                my head is still http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/rotato.gif

                Kindly post the edited version/ theme of the post.

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                  #9
                  insaan ba zaat e khud beyond hai senses say.

                  aur aap logoN kay paas to bohat time hai!! itna lamba lamba likhtay ho!!

                  nice


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                    #10
                    All you dudes out there who have an infinite amount of time, please write shorter posts so that all us dudes who hava a finite amount of time can read the posts too.

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                      #11


                      yes that would be very nice..try 2 make a shorter form of it..

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