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    If we stop time..?

    Salams ya'll http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

    How are you, and why are you, scream if ya'll still exist out there http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif Anywho..getting back to the original topic.

    Some stars in distant space are non-existent at present. But since the light takes so many years travelling here, we are seeing a reflection of past. So in reality of the existing world, its an illusion if u think of it so. Because the light that we see, munipulates our 6 senses and makes us think that its there in its physical state, while actually its not!

    Now here's another approach. What if, the life we are living presently is another illusion. Sometimes it seems that we're not really present on the spot physically, for rather our solid selves are stored in another place, and this is all a dream. Some kind of a concealing form, is imposed on our 6 senses, which makes us believe that we are here and this ables us to feel things. Afterall, this whole concept of life cud yet be another prospect which impacts our sensory nerves and ables us to feel, see, hear, touch, smell, react. While our solid physical forms cud be in deep sleep, and this cud be just one of the states we have to go through. For if there's life after, this current state must serve a purpose, more than just what our mind may comprehend at the moment.

    They say time stops when one reaches the speed of light, in space. Does that means, Janath is actually some far off place in space. Since it is said, no ne will age there, b'cuz if time stops, mortals don't age..agreed?!
    If no one ages, would our mind continue to grow or there will be an absolute stop to growth of all froms? Or maybe no so, but instead our minds will resume on progressing. It may advance in its speed of info' processing abilty and absorb more material compared to its usual routine.

    So if there is an absolute stop to growth, since there is no 4th dimention,after u break the speed of light, so lets say it ceases aging, and perhaps growth as well, then how does the concept of enternity fits in here if there is a finite limit in some aspects? For if there is no 4th dimention in the heavens above,since they say ppl won't age, adn I'm assuming time shall not be a factor then... so tell me folks... if this philosophy puts a limit on the whole process, then how will life go on?
    and yes, since we won't age no longer, or if our growth is ceased, and we perhaps won't be facing any situations which may progress our ability to experience things... how can our mind keep on functioning,if we don't have anything to react to, while being in a state of absolute peace and serenity???

    Comments, input, questions, yes,baffled, preplexed, please, anyting... *I'm all ears*
    What do u think of this, and what possible answers does ur mind generates, feel absolutely free to present ur contribution,without resenting anything at all.

    **Ok, me out! Enuf of a mind twister for our abstract thinkers for now**

    Adios!
    DB http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif




    [This message has been edited by Daysee Behna (edited July 07, 2000).]

    #2
    Nice one http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

    Aaahh u're really making me neurons run in circles in this one. Hmmm lets hope this time they're actually getting somewhere..just a sec lemme check. okay no injuries reported yet, that means none of them are crashing into each other http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gifwhich is good i guess...

    Well to be totally honest, your post keeps reminding me of Contact..u know the movie/book--anyone out there read it or seen it besides us two??? It's a good movie, it really makes u think about everything beyond us...and also that which within us is linked to that which is beyond...

    Ummm i'm gonna keep thinking on this one--gotta go energize my neurons http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/wink.gif

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      #3
      First of all, there are only five senses. Second of all, those stars still exist but at a different location. They do not become non-existent.

      What you are talking about is very much the idea of the movie "Matrix." In that movie they say that this whole world is an illusion. If you haven't, you should see that movie. Anyway, I don't completely understand your question. It is probably very deep. Even if i did understand it, I don't think I would be able to answer it.

      You cannot talk about Jannat and time travel at the same time. Jannath is something very religious, has nothing whatsover to do with science. But time travel has very much to do with science and theories and all that crap. From what I have studied, it is impossible to go faster than the speed of light. Anything which has mass cannot go that fast. And everything has mass.

      Time travel, stopping of time, 4th dimension and Heaven are all unproven concepts. We have no proof that these things exist. I don't think that we are smart enough to talk about these things. We probably need a million Einsteins to understand and answer your questions.

      But those are some good questions. This kind of stuff has always fascinated me.

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        #4
        Saria gives Daysee Behnaaa a big hug http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/tongue.gif
        Kaisi ho?

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        Hairan Pareshan.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Jazbaati:
          They do not become non-existent.


          Hey thats not true. stars do die.)k, which location do they exist in after they die. Oh don't tell me, they go to heaven and dozakh too, do they http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/confused.gif *tehee* Oh and by the way, ofcourse there are 5 senses http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/rolleyes.gif


          You cannot talk about Jannat and time travel at the same time. Jannath is something very religious, has nothing whatsover to do with science.

          I disagree with u on this one. If we believe in religion,or any thing falling under the category, and think that there's is an Almighty power up there, who has created everything within the existing core of this universe, and those beyond our knowledge, how can scientific explainations not be relevent? And besides, if somethings are religious, that doesn't limits us from seeking for the logical explaination to it. Infact it gives us a clearer understanding on the concept.
          Alright, if u think science has nothing to do with aspects as such.. then how do u explain Miraj? When our Prophet sw'l lil la ho alay hay was'salam went up, he travelled at the speed of light, or perhaps faster,(if u disagree, tell me what makes us think, that he didn't, its all possible rite?) on earth it seemed that time had been stoped... for it is said that he PBUH returned back in a night, and everything he had left behind was in its original position,nothing had altered. While in reality, when he did went up, couple of years passed by. Now my knowledge on the precise figures fail me...perhaps someone else can provide us with the exact mathematical figures.... but when the angel of death came to Prophet PBUH, he was questioned by the Prophet, that he was promised so many years, and isn't this kinda early, and the Angel replied that u had spent that many years, while going up on Miraj.

          But time travel has very much to do with science and theories and all that crap.

          Excuse me sir... I would appreciate it if appropriate language is used to explain ur interpretation. Thanks.

          Time travel, stopping of time, 4th dimension and Heaven are all unproven concepts. We have no proof that these things exist.

          If they don't exist, then why do we see ourselves beleiving in them. I think they do exist. Just that it'll be some time when their existence is proven.

          I don't think that we are smart enough to talk about these things. We probably need a million Einsteins to understand and answer your questions.

          Ofcourse we are. If our mind has the ability to think and ponder, perhaps it can come up with the logical answers, and evidence to solve these riddles too. Ofcourse, we'd need scientific data to help us as well.

          But those are some good questions. This kind of stuff has always fascinated me

          Thank you for for input, I enjoyed answering what you wrote. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif Got more? Just shoot http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

          Kishtells, NoOooo its not Contact, its just me in a typical way http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif Or perhaps it is true what u said...that its all linked within to that which is beyond our grasp to reach. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/wink.gif

          Parayshan.. arey... Saria... Yay kiya howa? Parayshan kiyon, khairiyath? *screams* Tell me whats up,u okay, rite??? http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif However **hugs u back** and so good to see u!

          Till then,
          Adios!
          DB http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif



          [This message has been edited by Daysee Behna (edited July 07, 2000).]

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            #6
            Dieing of a star is quite a rare phenomenon. Most stars we see do exist at the time.

            One thing you cannot disagree on is that, so far there is no clear connection between science and religion. I am not saying that there will never be any connection. From what we know as of today, science and religion do not agree. One example is evolution. It is much better to view science and religion separately, at least for now.

            You talked about Miraj. Again, I would say, do not mix science and religion.

            "Excuse me sir... I would appreciate it if appropriate language is used to explain ur
            interpretation. Thanks."
            That's what you said just because I used the word "crap." How old are you???

            I gotta go. I'll answer the remaining questions later.

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              #7
              Kuch nahin hoa yaar. Just couldn't come up with something better :/

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              Hairan Pareshan.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Daysee Behna:
                Salams ya'll http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

                Some stars in distant space are non-existent at present. But since the light takes so many years travelling here, we are seeing a reflection of past. So in reality of the existing world, its an illusion if u think of it so. Because the light that we see, munipulates our 6 senses and makes us think that its there in its physical state, while actually its not!


                here you are assuming that our senses do not obey distances. that is our preception shoudl be the same whether the object is here or out there. which is wrong. In our distance(space) time setup, our sense need to obey the rules of distance and the stars that we do see are existent as a physical relaity the way we see them. I think humans are soo used to the idea of light be instantaneous that we forget our preception of the physical world is based on what we see/feel hear when it gets to us not as it is in an absolute time frame.


                Now here's another approach. What if, the life we are living presently is another illusion. Sometimes it seems that we're not really present on the spot physically, for rather our solid selves are stored in another place, and this is all a dream. Some kind of a concealing form, is imposed on our 6 senses, which makes us believe that we are here and this ables us to feel things. Afterall, this whole concept of life cud yet be another prospect which impacts our sensory nerves and ables us to feel, see, hear, touch, smell, react. While our solid physical forms cud be in deep sleep, and this cud be just one of the states we have to go through. For if there's life after, this current state must serve a purpose, more than just what our mind may comprehend at the moment.
                the philosopher's age old question : Who,what and where am I. Did someone not say, "I think therefore I am". We alos very often forget that everything in life is based on axioms. For example, that people are physical, that 2 + 2 = 4 (why not 5 or 6) and what exactly is mathematics. All these things are efforts by humans to understand thier surrioundings.. Take away all the axioms and you will not have any theory left.

                So if there is an absolute stop to growth, since there is no 4th dimention,after u break the speed of light, so lets say it ceases aging, and perhaps growth as well, then how does the concept of enternity fits in here if there is a finite limit in some aspects? For if there is no 4th dimention in the heavens above,since they say ppl won't age, adn I'm assuming time shall not be a factor then... so tell me folks... if this philosophy puts a limit on the whole process, then how will life go on?
                and yes, since we won't age no longer, or if our growth is ceased, and we perhaps won't be facing any situations which may progress our ability to experience things... how can our mind keep on functioning,if we don't have anything to react to, while being in a state of absolute peace and serenity???


                There is no 4th dimension.... hmmmm... Most physicists take time to be the forth dimension. The whole bases of Einstien's Theory of relativity (as far as I know-- and I know very little ) is based on a Time-Space setup where time is one of the dimesions. that is how you can say that at the speed of light time stands still. by way , if time stands still why would we need to grow, everything around us including us would be a statue wont we? Also if you notice a two dimensional thing will be unable to see three dimensions, simply because it can at anyone time no matter the two dimensions (x-y,y-z,x-z) it is in, if there were a 3-D object it would only see one side (aka two dimensions) of it. As such our inability to see 4 dimensions should not be taken to mean there is no fourth dimension, rather that we are at present incapable of seeing such a phenomena.

                Ok me out... hope that clears up part of your questions DB


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                  #9
                  Please visit this site:
                  http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/HTW//othertopics.html


                  Reality never change to what we believe !

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                    #10
                    well dear time dosent stop for anyone...not att all possible...you cant get back even a second of your life..


                    ay nayey dosth maiN samjhoonga tujhe bhee apna

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                      #11
                      Oh my my... JazakAllah, SubhanAllah, MashAllah.... These replies are just superb! THank you so much everyone.

                      Hmcq... God... this is the firs time ever, u forgot to LOL *hey hey afterall yahoo my posts are losing the touch, and getting serious eh** Good! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif Mission accomplished.j/k

                      Wow! Reading what u wrote was an absolute pleasure... but! yes I said BUT! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/frown.gif How do u esplain "Miraj" if there ain't no 4th dimention, and if there isn't any 4th dimention, hence eye-in-sting's theory of relatives http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/biggrin.gif flops http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/frown.gif *sob* And then it makes me lose my sleep.

                      Thanks for replying ppl. I really appreciated it. However Hmcq ur still not off the hook http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif j/k. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

                      Ax great site! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif Thx

                      Adios!
                      DB http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

                      [This message has been edited by Daysee Behna (edited July 12, 2000).]

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