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    Middle East - The Great Satan!

    SEXUAL PROMISCUITY COMPETES WITH RELIGIOUS CODES OF CHILD MARRIAGE, POLYGAMY AND HONOUR KILLINGS!

    Forty sexologists from the Arab world have met at Oxford University for what organisers say is the first pan-Arab conference on sex in the Middle East. The three-day conference heard that sexuality in the Middle East has less to do with the fantasies of a "Thousand and One Nights" and more to do with sex crimes. Funded by the US think-tank, the Ford Foundation, the conference was jointly hosted by St Anthony's College, Oxford and the American University in Beirut.

    Researchers talk of a crazed attitude to sex. According to participants, the cleavage between the licit ideal and the illicit norm lies at the core of Arab eroticism. Repeatedly, speakers contrasted the religious-based laws of the Arab world with their citizens' sex lives.

    Researchers claimed 50% of Lebanese women lost their virginity before marriage. In Morocco, Professor Abdessamd Dialimi said his surveys showed the figure was more than 70%. And homosexuality, it seemed, was largely a taboo only in name - especially in the sex-segregated Gulf. "In prison, same-sex sex is the norm," said one researcher from the Gulf. "Saudi Arabia is just a large prison."

    Despite widespread promiscuity, sex before marriage in Morocco is illegal. Women who give birth out of wedlock can be condemned in court as prostitutes, fined and sentenced to six months in prison.
    Similarly, abortion in Lebanon is prohibited by law, but common in practice. So too is surgery to restore the hymen.

    Few events have done more to expose the gap between the official and the unofficial attitudes to sex in the Middle East than Lebanon's Friday-night chat show, "Al Shater Yahki". For three years it topped the ratings with its live debates on anything from masturbation to incest. Homosexuals - albeit behind white face-masks - talked on air about their love lives. And wives rang in live to complain about the diminutive size of their husbands' penises.

    Thriving gay scene:
    In fact, participants portrayed Middle Eastern society as far removed from the monochrome picture of religious orthodoxy. In Lebanon homosexuality is illegal. But Lebanon also plays host to a thriving gay scene - replete with clubs and an association to "out" alleged homosexuals in parliament.

    Researchers portrayed Arab societies as muzzled by religious traditionalists who condone male domination, child marriages, polygamy and honour killings - the practice where men kill female relatives for suspected sexual activity outside marriage.

    In 1999, says Unicef:
    More than two-thirds of all murders in Gaza Strip and West bank were "honour killings".
    In Yemen as many as 400 "honour killings" took place in 1997.
    And in Egypt there were 52 reported "honour crimes" in 1997.
    Jordan faces an average of 23 "honour killings" a year.

    In Lebanon, the law clearly provides for extenuating cumstances for men who kill female relatives for losing their virginity before marriage. In other words, it turns a blind eye or makes the crime less serious.

    Researchers said free-to-air satellite TV channels - such as Venus - broadcasting hard-core porn 24-hours-a-day had become a prime vehicle of sex education for women and men alike.

    The result is a startling change in sex lives across the Middle East. And in North Africa, the numbers of single women living by themselves is fast on the rise. In the mid-60s, women in Tunisia spent an average of 18 years child-bearing. Today they spend six years. And, as in the West, the spread of contraception is also giving women increasing control of their sex lives.

    But some traditionalists are not yet ready to succumb. Citing the Islamic world's own traditions of erotica, Shi'a leaders in Lebanon are sanctioning the re-emergence of the traditional "muta", or pleasure marriage - as a form of legalised promiscuity.

    #2
    Uff, this is amazing!
    Where is the article from?

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      #3
      BBC Online - 6/26

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        #4
        Zara pipes:

        >>uff this is amazing

        What's amazing about it? Bombarded with sattelite porn from the west it is obvious what sort of effect it is having.

        >>where is the article from?

        A better question would be"Who is responsible for these 'findings'?

        Have a closer look at the article:


        Funded by the US think-tank, the Ford Foundation, the conference was jointly hosted by St Anthony's College, Oxford and the American University in Beirut.

        Why don't you ask yourself why these organisations go to such lengths and commit their funds to come up with such 'findings'?

        faceup,

        >>Researchers said free-to-air satellite TV channels - such as Venus - broadcasting hard-core porn 24-hours-a-day had become a prime vehicle of sex education for women and men alike.

        come on then man...tell us what you learned http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

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          #5
          Dont they say anything about Pakistan? just wondering.
          http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smile.gif

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            #6
            Clementine & Xtreme,

            Clem,
            It's a good thing that Pakistan is not officially part of middle east but SW Asia. However, here's a good link for pakistan (WARNING: i found it very disturbing):
            http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/wor...-2000May7.html

            Xtreme,
            you snort: "Why don't you ask yourself why these organisations go to such lengths and commit their funds to come up with such 'findings'?"

            Studies like this form basis for policy-makers especially in social development funds & agencies and, Ford Foundation is one of the leading agencies involved with social development. They need to know what's going out in the field and how best & where their funds can be expended.

            In another of your shallow remarks:
            "Researchers said free-to-air satellite TV channels - such as Venus - broadcasting hard-core porn 24-hours-a-day had become a prime vehicle of sex education for women and men alike. come on then man...tell us what you learned "

            What I have learned is that in this information age, people can no longer be blocked out from knowing what goes on in this world. The Taleban may destroy all tv's, vcr, magazines and block access to internet; in the long term this will do more harm than good!

            Because of free exchange of information, the world is aware about barbaric traditions conducted under the patronage of "outdated religious practises of Islam" like honour killings, female circumcision, polygamy, child marriages, slavery as part of war booty, murder in name of Allah, etc. You are not going to blame these barbaric practises on the West, are you?

            Hopefully, now that people are aware - extremist Islam can no longer twist facts and claim to be a gentle message when it has become distorted & violently out-dated.

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              #7
              I donít understand why some here (Xtreme in particular) think that Mid East is somehow immune to worldly influences. Not just sex and porn industries, but certain Mid East cities have always been Sex Heaven (e.g., Beirut, Cairo) for rich Oil Sheiks. May be Xtreme will be surprised to know that Bars were selling Beer at Half Price in Damascus after the death of Hafiz Asad, as Syrian were getting drunk like there is no tomorrow. I donít know if that was due to sadness or happiness.

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                #8
                faceup quacked:

                Ford Foundation is one of the leading agencies involved with social development.
                So what sort of 'social development' did these 40 sexologists have in mind? S&M? Bondage? watcha reckon faceup me ol' mucker?

                What I have learned is that in this information age, people can no longer be blocked out from knowing what goes on in this world. The Taleban may destroy all tv's, vcr, magazines and block access to internet; in the long term this will do more harm than good!
                Good news again my forward thinking bag-headed friend!! There is no Taliban here to smash up your keyboard so put your money where your mouth is and give us an example of your censorship free utopia. Use your imagination.

                Because of free exchange of information, the world is aware about barbaric traditions conducted under the patronage of "outdated religious practises of Islam" like honour killings, female circumcision, polygamy, child marriages, slavery as part of war booty, murder in name of Allah, etc. You are not going to blame these barbaric practises on the West, are you?
                stick to the topic Captain Agenda. Neither this, nor that pointless link you stuck here so shamelessly, have anything to do with your sex theme thread. Be consistent and put a link to a porn site instead.

                NYAhmadi

                I donít understand why some here (Xtreme in particular) think that Mid East is somehow immune to worldly influences.
                What makes you think I don't know that already? Pakistan isn't immune either. Porn, alcohol, prostitution and general skullduggery are alive and thriving in most countries, albeit, underground. Whether it should be legalised is another topic, and a very interesting one at that. Ramifications, good or bad, effect on social life, character etc. There is no need to feel shy about discussing these issues. Even in the west people are wrestling with these dilemmas as young children can also be exposed to these things. It's a theme which certainly needs to be Xplored. More later.

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                  #9
                  To Miss Xtreme,

                  When Ford Foundation does a study on Islamic Extremism maybe they can invite you to participate! Until then, chill out - the world has caught on to your silly games played under the garb of religion!

                  Miss Xtreme: as to your request to post a link to porn site!
                  May I suggest you try Saudi Arabia. As the artice says: "Saudi Arabia is just a large prison" full of crazed sex perverts.

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                    #10
                    faceup clucked:

                    Miss Xtreme: as to your request to post a link to porn site!
                    May I suggest you try Saudi Arabia. As the artice says: "Saudi Arabia is just a large prison" full of crazed sex perverts.
                    So what's your problem? According to your US funded report by your sexologists, you have a Saudi nation full of sex crazed arabs producing the demand, and you have the American porn industry beaming direct into the homes of this country providing the supply. Good old economics!

                    Now as someone advocating this very scenario, why are you getting so uptight about it? The arabs tv viewing isn't being censored which should get a faceup http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/ok.gif and they get to watch Americans have sex...which should also get a faceup http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/ok.gif .

                    I think your problem is that the bag on your head is obscuring your view of these channels. Take it off man...your not in Afghanistan now.

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                      #11
                      Xtreme chirps rather melodiously:
                      "Saudi nation full of sex crazed arabs producing the demand, and you have the American porn industry beaming direct into the homes of this country providing the supply. Good old economics!"

                      Well! but the sex-crazed Saudia pretends that such things do not exist in their pristine land of the wahabiyas; at least, the infidel West agrees to their shortcomings and doesn't hide behind veneer of religious puritanism or hypocrisy!

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                        #12
                        "zaraatif snorts" ! Why do I have to snort! I would rather quack or cluck, than snort. I would even prefer mooing to snorting. It's so unladylike.

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                          #13
                          And actually (mooo), NYAhmadi brings up a good point. Middle East has always focused on sex, even before East met West. We can't blame (moo) muta marriages in Iran (temporary marriage, seems to resemble prostitution, my sincere apologies to Shias) Saudi princes with 100s of wives (moooooo), etc. on the United States or Europe.

                          I think that the knee jerk reaction to blame all bad stuff in the East on the West is rather short-sited. Perhaps the West created the pornography, but it's obvious that these folks have quite an appetite for it.

                          Zara

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                            #14
                            faceup squeaked:

                            Well! but the sex-crazed Saudia pretends that such things do not exist in their pristine land of the wahabiyas; at least, the infidel West agrees to their shortcomings and doesn't hide behind veneer of religious puritanism or hypocrisy!
                            My paper - faced pal,

                            wahabis aren't the only ones who claim that their countries are squeaky clean. Your paranoid obsession with wahabis is betraying a xenophobic attitude to one nationality. What about Iran or Pakistan? Are they all that different?

                            Zara,

                            you didn't snort...that was me. You 'piped' which is rather more ladylike than snorting, so don't worry.

                            Perhaps the West created the pornography, but it's obvious that these folks have quite an appetite for it.
                            I doubt their appetite is that much different from anybody else's. This whole report is just slanted to make it look that way. You can probably find similar generalisations about characteristics of negroes, chinese and indians no doubt.

                            To be honest, I don't really see that much difference between those pointing fingers and those being pointed at here.

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                              #15
                              Xtreme honks again:
                              "Your paranoid obsession with wahabis is betraying a xenophobic attitude to one nationality. What about Iran or Pakistan? Are they all that different?"

                              My good man, this study deals with Middle East. Both Iran & Pakistan belong to SW Asia.
                              It's so hard not to pick on the wahabis; first, they are called "gone astray" by jamaat ahl sunnah but yet they are leaders in today's Islam!

                              I agree with you - the stench stinks everywhere. Iran has this Muta or temporary marriage or "legalised promiscuity". Lot more goes on under that black silk chaddor and the 'made in France' headscarf.

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