Tommy Hilfger lovers!!!!!!!

[homosepian by nature]

I'm sure some of you watched the recent taping of
> the Oprah Winfrey
> show where her guest was Tommy Hilfiger. On the
> show, she asked him if
> the statements about race he was accused of saying
> were true. Statements
> like:"...if I'd known African-Americans,
> Hispanics, Jewish, Arabs and
> Asians would buy my clothes, I would not have made
> them so nice. I wish
> these people would *NOT* buy my clothes, as they are
> made for upper class
> white people." His answer
> to Oprah was a simple "YES". Where after she
> immediately asked him to leave
> her
> show.

My question is are we going to still buy those clothes to feel better about ourselves or basically to fit in????????

[ChannMahi]

After I first time heard his remarks last year, I never bought or let any family memeber buy TH again.

When I see some of our desis and blacks flashing TH logos wiht pride, I feel pity on these people. They must be most ignorant and prideless people.

[NYAhmadiX]

I never knew that. Personally, I think his designs suck big time. I can easily relate his personality with the kind of fashion he promotes. Red White and Blue my ass. I have never worn anything made by him, and now that I know, I will make sure that I never.

[Mr Fraudia]

Forget about what he says, his designs suck and his company is in a downward spiral..

Tommy Hilfiger is a third rate designer. He cant stand up to the Big boys i.e. Armani, Versace, canali etc. He is not as hip or stylish as Kenneth Cole, DKNY or Prada.
he tried to compete with Ralph Lauren and Calvin Klein, but is now walking the tight rope between FUBU and J.C.Penney.

His styles are horrid, the whole line of offerings suck and the only thing that he does barely okay is in the cheap designer suits section.

[homosepian by nature]

well i think thats what i thought but then the real topic behind this is that why do we or our children wear all the brand names and feel that they are so "cool"but the other kids who donot have the luxury to afford TH feel left out and that gives birth to jealousy,violence,low self esteem etc.
How can we teach our kids and ourselves that brand name clothes dont make us or them more "likeable or cool"?

Originally posted by homosepian by nature:
I'm sure some of you watched the recent taping of
> the Oprah Winfrey
> show where her guest was Tommy Hilfiger. On the
> show, she asked him if
> the statements about race he was accused of saying
> were true. Statements
> like:"...if I'd known African-Americans,
> Hispanics, Jewish, Arabs and
> Asians would buy my clothes, I would not have made
> them so nice. I wish
> these people would *NOT* buy my clothes, as they are
> made for upper class
> white people." His answer
> to Oprah was a simple "YES". Where after she
> immediately asked him to leave
> her
> show.

My question is are we going to still buy those clothes to feel better about ourselves or basically to fit in????????

[~Amber~]

i have never worn tommy hilfiger clothes nor will i ever because i think his designs are ugly..
but..

FYI from the oprah website.


January 11, 1999

Suze Orman IV
The Truth...
During the holidays a lot of you celebrated, shopped and spent. But before addressing that subject (and Suze Orman's techniques for undoing the financial damage it may have caused) Oprah put to rest a rumor about designer Tommy Hilfiger. For the record, the rumored event that has circulated on the Internet and by word-of-mouth never happened. Mr. Hilfiger has never appeared on the show. In fact, Oprah has never even met him. With that cleared up, we now return you to your regularly scheduled Scoop...

http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/..._19990111.html


thats all folks.

[Roman]

Well, I don't need to say what everybody else is saying here... but I will say it anyway, TH clothes suck big time. I don't like his brands at all. Exception to this is the spring jacket that I bought recently, which I liked very much.

I checked the oprah site, and Amber has rightfully quoted what it says in the online transcript of one of the shows, so no comment on that side of the issue.

[Mr Fraudia]

his designs still suck.

Question was brought up about people being brand conscious. It has been due to the excessive conspicuous consumption. Initially brands were to convey an assurance of quality to the wearer and not of the desirability or expense of a piece of clothing to general public.

The people who engage in blatant image projection by wearing items that have billboard sized name of the designers never appealed to me.

It is a problem in society with priorities. When you beat it into anyone’s mind in a young age that certain products convey certain image, you are setting up a motivated customer for life.

All I know is back when I was a teenager, not only did I not buy into the brand hype but it was not even a consideration. I remember my first nike shoes because my cousin told me that they were cool. There are important aspects to a brand, form, function, and quality that were always important but never the tag or the lack of it.

This desire to be “cool” and of packaged personality continues to go to more segments and age groups of the population. Babies in designer clothes are one example. The whole concept of these social cliques and media bombardment to emphasize fitting in or being cool is so pervasive that it shows in 10 year olds now.

All I know is that back in highschool, my closest pals included the captain of the cricket team, the smoothest most stylish guy of the school and the biggest techie around, and yours truly who was considered the biggest troublemaker. We were no exceptions there were other small groups of friends, but the whole jock Vs nerd Vs popular or unpopular just did not apply much.

I know my ranting is not about hilfiger but about the conspicuous consumption among teens and what I feel are the underlying reasons for it.

[råqêêb*]

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[This message has been edited by råqêêb* (edited July 05, 2000).]

[ghalib]

Well, I admire the guy for his balls (fraudz & roman, no sick jokes pls.). To go up on national TV, and publically admit and standby his statements is quite plausible. He didn't try to dodge the question or put a spin on it. Simply acknowledged what he believes knowing very well what may happen to sales after the show airs.

Coming from a businessman, I like the ethics.

[This message has been edited by ghalib (edited June 21, 2000).]

[DeSiMuNdA]

i'm not a hilfiger fan newayz...just have a spring jacket that i really liked...otherwise i don't think hilfiger is all that...

[Roman]

Originally posted by ghalib:
Well, I admire the guy for his balls (fraudz & roman, no sick jokes pls.). ...

Did you hear that one Fraudia? No playing ball here, ok?

[Mr Fraudia]

okay no sick jokes, but specific observations based on frued's theories are welcome...correct?

[homosepian by nature]

good perspective,we need more feed back like that.

Originally posted by Fraudz:
his designs still suck.

Question was brought up about people being brand conscious. It has been due to the excessive conspicuous consumption. Initially brands were to convey an assurance of quality to the wearer and not of the desirability or expense of a piece of clothing to general public.

The people who engage in blatant image projection by wearing items that have billboard sized name of the designers never appealed to me.

It is a problem in society with priorities. When you beat it into anyone’s mind in a young age that certain products convey certain image, you are setting up a motivated customer for life.

All I know is back when I was a teenager, not only did I not buy into the brand hype but it was not even a consideration. I remember my first nike shoes because my cousin told me that they were cool. There are important aspects to a brand, form, function, and quality that were always important but never the tag or the lack of it.

This desire to be “cool” and of packaged personality continues to go to more segments and age groups of the population. Babies in designer clothes are one example. The whole concept of these social cliques and media bombardment to emphasize fitting in or being cool is so pervasive that it shows in 10 year olds now.

All I know is that back in highschool, my closest pals included the captain of the cricket team, the smoothest most stylish guy of the school and the biggest techie around, and yours truly who was considered the biggest troublemaker. We were no exceptions there were other small groups of friends, but the whole jock Vs nerd Vs popular or unpopular just did not apply much.

I know my ranting is not about hilfiger but about the conspicuous consumption among teens and what I feel are the underlying reasons for it.

[Roman]

Originally posted by Fraudz:
okay no sick jokes, but specific observations based on frued's theories are welcome...correct?

Yes, as long as the account on theory does not involve elaborative details presented in any particular ethnic dialect (Punjabi, to be specific) with keen emphasis on socio-reproductive testicular strenghts and strains (the later may cause some 'ouches and wiggles' around here).