THE HALF HOODIES!

[Hinna]

What I don't understand is how some ppl wear hijab for fashion. Like Hellllloooooooo itz for religious purposes only.

First of all..if ur gonna wear hijab:
#1 WEAR IT ALL THE TIME!!...not like..oh I feel like being religious today..so I'm gonna wear it...but if I'm going to a party I'm gonna be non-religious...GIMME A BREAK!

#2 If ur gonna wear a hijab...WEAR IT PROPERLY....whats with the teased bangs in the front..or the long hair stickin out from the back.....or better yet...WHAT I CALL THE HALF HOODIES....the hijab is placed sooooooooo far back on the head..that it exposes the hair..and it falls off all the time.....

If you don't respect the hijab..WHO WILL?


"Say to the believing women that they cast down their glance and guard their private parts and reveal not their adornment except such as is outward and let them cast their veils over their bosoms and reveal not their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, or their husbands' fathers or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons or their women or what their right hands own, or such men as attend to them, not having sexual desire or children who have not yet attained knowledge of women's private parts; or children who have not yet attained knowledge of women's private parts; nor let them stamp their feet so that their hidden ornament may be known. And turn all together to God, O you believers, so you will prosper" (24:31).

"O Prophet! Say to your wives and daughters and the believing women that they draw their outer garments close to them; so it is more proper that they may be made known and not hurt. God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Now, if the hypocrites do not give over and those in whose hearts there is a sickness and they make commotion in the city, "We shall assuredly set you against them and then they will be your neighbors there only for a little while" (33:59-60)

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Salaams Hinna,

Good going

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[topcat99]

wasSalam Hinna

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[Mr Fraudia]

Hinna

this is a slightly different issue but thought this would be a good place to bring it up.

Some girls that wear Hijab complain that as soon as they started doing it, the "hijabi" group on their campus was in all their matters. As in, it was a very cliquish group and if you did hijab you had to be one of them and do everything they do, hang out with them 24/7 etc etc.

The friend of mine who talked about this was a grad student at an Ivy school, so serious enough that she did not let these things bother her too much. She continued to do hijab and still does, but it was interesting hcoming aring her perspective that just because she was not "in" that group, she was badmouthed.

I can relate to her, because I never was involved with MSA or ISA etc, because all of a sudden these guys were in all of my personal matters, why did you not come for jumma, why were you wearing shorts, why were you having lunch with those guys and not us, blah blah blah.

[~Amber~]

good observation Hinna and Mr. Fraudia

i have also noticed that some girls who wear Hijab also wear a lot of makeup, lipstick etc... i guess to accentuate their face, because their hair is covered...doesn't it defeat the purpose?

when i was in univ. i noticed particularily in a certain school that if you were a muslim girl and not wearing a hijab..by the end of 1st or second year you were ..i'm not sure how much of it was because it was very cliqueish (sp) and you wanted to fit in or because they made a conscious decision to wear a hijab... i also noticed that they would interdate among themselves.. ie: take up boyfriends and girlfriends..
personally i don't care..to each his/her own.

[STRONGMAN]

Hinna,

I admire your respect for hijab but I don't think all girls have bad intentions when they wear it in this fashion.

For example, I knew a girl in school who started wearing it, she felt a bit uncomfortable at school so she would wear it once in a while to first get use to it. Eventually she started wearing it all the time. Some would wear it in a fashion style like you said showing the hair or whatever but perhaps they are just getting use to it so they want to wear it in a more attractive and comfortable fasion for themselves before wearing it properly. Regardless, I think we should encourage and admire anything which may lead to us being better muslims, nobody is perfect but as long as we make an effort. Praying 1 namaaz a day is better then praying no namaaz a day. We can't all be hafiz or Qari's or alims over night, it takes time. We should never ridicule anyone for trying or going along the right path.

Salaam

[Rarediamonds & Gold]

Hina a very valid issue indeed, which u have brought up. The one thing I always failed to understand is that when muslimahs wear a hijab, why don't they act like a muslim. I have seen some hijabi girls who wear a hijab and act so unislamic which makes me think, what is the purpose of it then, if it doesn't brings one closer to religion. On the other hand, it has often been observed that our rather "islamic brothers and hijabi sisters" always tend to look down upon those who don't dress like them. And it's funny how they take a totally different approach on religion and have the attitude, "I am better than thou." They make religion so complicated which it is not at all.

[mundyaa]

Good stuff. I think what you are talking about... is basically the concept of niyyat. And that applies to any concept, from namaz to haj and zakaat.

I know ppl who pray namaaz in public only... similarly they like to brag about how much charity they gave out last year. That takes away the essence of all the good deeds in a way.

women who atleast have the niyyat to wear a hijab but dont want to do it for whatever reasons.... are still a lot better than the ones who dont wear it yet want to look down upon the ones who do by calling it non-islamic.

hear hear... zaraatif & co. women who wear hijab are not forced to wear it... those who wear it, they do it cos its prescribed by Islam.... And by doing so, im sure they live a life with the same standards as you do and go to the same schools as you do and perform the same jobs as you do.

The only difference is they will be rewarded for all their actions and all the time while they are under hijab.

[NYAhmadiX]

From a slightly different angle, why does wearing Hijab be an issue of such a big religious matter? If one could become a better person just by covering oneself, this world will be a very peaceful place. I am in no way suggesting that Hijab should not be used. I think it is a very nice way to reflect one’s custom and heritage, just like Orthodox Jewish females cover their hair in public (by wearing wigs).

On the other side, there are societies in Africa where women don’t wear anything above their belly button. Many aboriginal tribes in Central and South America wear nothing at all. If we started judging people by what they wear (or not), we have some serious problems.

People should wear what they like, and not be concerned about what others may think. There will always be some groups who will object to your attire no matter what. It is impossible (if not hard) to make everyone happy. I don’t think God (for those who believe in one, two, or many) cares whether you wear Hijab or g-string or Oscar de la Renta.

[Mr Fraudia]

Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
I don’t think God (for those who believe in one, two, or many) cares whether you wear Hijab or g-string or Oscar de la Renta.

Yeah, Oscar...I mean things may be different if you wear an Armani or Canali.

[Ahmed]

Mr.Fraudia,
This post is especially for you.
While I may not know a lot about MSA/ISA in united states but I know about their functioning here in U.K. and I reckon that those in U.S. probably have to deal with the same kind of problems/issues etc.
They may not be perfect people, and could improve a lot especially in realizing that they are dealing with a generation brought up in west and also that for some people their style may seem like interfering etc.
But remember also that praying jumma or wearing shorts etc. are not so personal matters and I would like you to consider this question,if the ISA does not address and talk about these things than who does?It's what they are there for and they would not be doing their job properly if they didn't bring these questons up!
Same can go for girls issues.
The only valid point you have(and I agree)is the 'all of a sudden' bit.
Because of course going step by step or 'tadreej' is also a concept advocated by Islam.

[eva1921]

I understand your prespective but what I don't understand is that those people who're muslim but do not wear hijjab, some even say it's by choice not a required, proper attire of a muslim women when they go outside of their homes, can be so critical of the matter. I may pinpoint at the fact that our grnadmothers wore burqaa only when they went outside. I don't recall that they wore it at home even when some Na-mehrum came in. They tried to cover their hair as much as they could with a dupatta or a chaadur.
I never heard anyone commenting on those muslim girls/women (paki or non paki) who wear tight jeans/paints with tightest tops exposing their "adornments" to the fullest. Nowadays, it seems so "backward" for many women to even mention the word Hijjab. It has become one of those obstacle that many women think they should get over in order to look all cunning and modern. I agree that some poeple may not be wearing the Hijjab properly but atleast they are willing to do it and think that i should be a part of their attire. I believe that those girls/women who don't wear Hijjab have no right on criticizing. I think it's the job of their mothers or gardian because they're responsible but not others.

[This message has been edited by eva1921 (edited May 24, 2000).]

[NaikLarki]

>>>>>>>why does wearing Hijab be an issue of such a big religious matter? If one could become a better person just by covering oneself, this world will be a very peaceful place.


Ahmadi saab its the dress code for muslim women prescribed by Allah...if we do call ourselves Muslims and if we do believe in Allah and Quran, we shud not question these things....

next thing i am expecting here is, whats the point in praying 5 times a day???how does that make a person better or worse???

Its matter of obeying Allah N Rasool(pbuh)...and if we start doing that this world wud be sucha wonderful place....

[Hinna]

Thanks to everyone who responded. I just needed to vent some where..and I thought this was the best place to do it because everyone can voice their opinions.

First off the bat...the Issue of Hijab is a religious because it is stated in the Qur'an check out the opening post for this thread.

Fraudia....about the "hijabi clique" that you mentioned. I think it depends on the individual if they want to be a part of that group or not. No one is forcing them to be part of the "hijabi in crowd" or to be an "outcast". I'll use myself as an example. I've been wearing a hijab for 6 years and throughout these 6 years..I've been in and out of those cliques. I went into one..but then realized that it was not for me..because the selected group I tried to become a part of..were no better than your average snobby and stuck up westerner. I found comfort and friendship in a mixture of friends...most of them who are not muslim but who respect me and understand my beliefs.


Strongman....I hear you...the hijab is definitely something you need to adjust to. But you know its a commitment...you either wear it or you don't. You don't have the choice to wear it when u feel like it and take it off if ur gonna go clubbing or wherever. The way I see it...if u put it on and take it off...then your abusing the hijab. I see the hijab as a priviledge..something that you have to earn to wear. You have to have a strong Imaan within yourself to wear the hijab..because its not a daily fashion statement...its a part of you for life.

And as for the "modern hijabis"...who wear the tight stuff and expose what they're supposed to cover....Allah swt will know how to deal with that when the time comes.

[Elmo with headphones]

hey Heinz, good topic..I wish I could add to it but am short on time. But I'll say this, and this probably applies to everyhing, every action everyone ever does in their life- an action can never be termed completely wrong or completely right solely by itself, it all comes down to niyyah; intention.


P.S check out the thread am about to post