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    This goes out to all patriot Pakistani's - I need your help !

    AA

    I need help in formulating a coherent and cohesive argument to two emails that I have recently received from so called British Pakistani’s living here in London. I would like for each and every one of you to provide me with intelligent replies to refute point by point the arguments raised in these emails!

    My standpoint is that yes granted, Pakistan had many socio-economic problems, that much is understood. But to make such outrageous sweeping statement such as those contained in these emails just makes my blood boil!

    Pakistan needs our help in its hour of need, it has been geo-politically corned by the enemies of our state.

    So please be patient in reading the emails and provide me with ammunition to refute most if not all of the points below:

    FIRST EMAIL:

    First things first I'm a muslim and that supercedes all other identities and affilliations.

    Hitting the television may have been a silly thing to do but I just get so infuriated when people go on about Pakistan being the high and mighty country that it clearly is not. Some of us even become too nationalistic and too proud of being pakistanis ( I wouldn't mind if Pakistan was one of the best countries in the world, then that would be understandable ) that they see themselves pakistanis first and muslims second.
    Being muslims aren't we supposed to play this nationalism thing down and not make a big deal about it.???????

    I am not anti-pakistan as you may think. My parents are from pakistan (well actually it was originally India) They passed on to me a good heritage and some aspects of a culture I'm proud of. Pakistanis are praised in other countries for their genorousity towards others their helpfulness towards others and parting with their money for good deeds. Yes, the people of pakistan have got some good characteristics but they also have endless flaws that most people just want to brush under the carpet like some bad smell. Unfortunately we will loose all the good values if we have a bunch of frauds like General Musharraf who 'hide behind Islamic values' and lead a double life. 'Let me introduce my dogs to the world '

    Here are a few more pointers why Pakistan is not so great and should not be
    seen through rose tinted ray bans

    1) Pakistan was created for the Muslims and not for a bunch of bloodsucking secular elitists, (i.e. 4% of the country), known for their racial tendencies because of their treatment of the Bengali communities in what was West Pakistan.

    2) ' More than 80% of the country is drowning in illiteracy 'Pakistan-Zindabad'

    3) Fraudz Nawaz Sheriff and his ironic Islamic policies, mafia-style policing system (i.e. pay us and we'll pick up the dead body on the street), gambling arenas, casinos and horse-racing tracks encouraged by the wonderfully inept US puppet Benazir

    4), The booming drugs trade ( we've got some profitable Industry)

    5) It's was the second most corrupt country in the world, (even if they are 4th now there are over 150 declared nations around the world that escaped the top ten).

    6) Pakistanis are not even proud of being Muslims because they imitate the US. IMITATION IS THE MOST SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY

    5) It's so sad that so many muslims were killed when Pakistan separated from India, and for what? There are more muslims living in India than Pakistan.

    6) 50 elite families who own Pakistan manipulate the poor in Pakistan by way
    of elections and taxes.

    7) 'ISLAMIC REPUBLIC' - I don't think so!!. What hypocrisy. Pakistan was founded on the nihilistic foundations of neocolonialist parasites and cronies, by a man who couldn't speak Urdu properly and consumed alchol

    8) You talk about our amazing army, I don't dispute that. We have incredibly talented individuals in Pakistan but you know where they all end up – NASA puppets to the slave-master. Shouldn't we be spending our resources more on the people of pakistan than its Army.

    9) Did you realise that those who laid down their lives for the New pakistan were congratulated for their martyrdom with THIS INAUGURAL SPEECH FOR
    PAKISTAN by 'THE GREAT LEADER'..................................
    “I think we should keep in front of us our ideals and you will find that
    in the course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus AND MUSLIMS CEASE TO
    BE MUSLIMS, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of
    each individuals, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.”

    I could carry on.

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    SECOND EMAIL (which was a reply to the above first email)

    I agree with you on this matter. When people get together and discuss Pakistan, it's always from a secular viewpoint. Pakistan this and Pakistan that, there is no Islamic pesrpective attached. Being Pakistani whether we like it or not is synonomous with being corrupt, devious and ill-mannered. Why is this?

    When match fixing allegations surfaced recently, did it really surprise anyone that certain Pakistani cricketers were implicated as cheats? When the the Pakistan cricket team tour England, is it just coincidence or baseless accusations surfacing that star players are out drinking, womanising and gambling until the early hours?

    Why are there no pillars of society in Pakistan that can be held up as an example of piety, honesty and virtue? Is there anyone in Pakistan with the political, religious and social conviction who can rectify the situation? A person like Vaclav Havel, Nelson Mandela or human rights leaders in China?

    Why is it that being most Pakistani seem obsesed with their nationality than being Muslim in spite of Pakistan having a muslim population of 99%? Why is there seemingly no undercurrent of Islamic feeling in Pakistan as there are in countries across the Middle-East and North Africa? Why is the army based on a totally secular and nationalistic ideology? Is it not possible to have Pakistan assert its identity as a regional power based on Islamic principles? Why do Pakistanis seemingly have to be decadent and materialistic to want to achieve in life?

    Why do we have to satisfied when we go to the Pakistani embassy for visas and have to endure hours of waiting, petty bureaucracy, lack of respect and service from staff wallowing in opulence and self smugness? Why is it that when wecome off flights from Pakistan in a British airport, sniffer dogs go through us and our luggage for drugs when few other nationals have to endure this embarrassing spectacle? Why are Pakistanis associated with being uneducated, and criminally minded. Are any of you satisfied with this image? I certainly am not. So why do we get this publicity? Is it unwarrented or is there a certain amount of truth in this?

    Why is Pakistan trying to outgun India when the coutry is bankrupt and people are dying of hunger and poverty? Should this lunacy with India end so that the government can instead attempt to create economic stability and control, deal with law and order and keep the country together?

    It's time that there was a purge of corrupt officials in Pakistan and a peoples uprising to reverse the situation that has caused the country to degenerate into a dehumanised kleptocracy akin with tinpot South American dictatorships, and with also little or no Islamic values or political aspirations. It's high time that saying that being Pakistani does not bringone a sense of shame or insecurity. I fear that it may be too late. Has there really been any progress made in Pakistan since Independence?

    I don't condone you hitting the Pakistani flag on TV as that's almost on the
    same level as football hooligans abusing the Turkish national flag, however,
    I do understand and support your opinions of Pakistan. There has to be
    change and now.


    SO PLEASE REPLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, "SHUKRIYYAH" IN ADVANCE

    WA
    OZ

    #2
    Oz,
    I have no personal comments about this topic at this time, however I found this and thought it may/maynot?? be helpful in formulating your arguments. Apologies to all for the cut and paste job.
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    Report Card on Musharraf
    Nayyer Ali, MD

    On April 15th, Javed Jabbar, who is the Advisor to the Chief Executive of Pakistan on National Affairs, Information, and Media Development, addressed the Council of Pakistan American Affairs in Anaheim, California. His speech was essentially a report card on the first six months of the Musharraf government.

    Jabbar describes Pakistan’s current situation as being in the intensive care unit. It has 39 billion dollars in debt, a poorly performing economy, and a dubious history of democracy interrupted by three failed military interventions in its past. Despite this, it is his sense that the idea of Pakistan is more deeply rooted among the average person than at any time in the past.

    Musharraf took power suddenly, and his government suffered from all the difficulties associated with suddenly having to run a country of 140 million people. However, Jabbar pointed with pride to the rapid recruitment of honest officials to high government office, and the equally rapid pace at which the government has developed a reform agenda.

    The government has focused on improvements in four areas. The most important is the economy. So far, it has pursued debt rescheduling, but this will only provide a temporary reprieve. In addition, 7 billion rupees have been diverted from defense spending to social programs, and Pakistan has apparently decided not to try to match India’s recent 28% jump in defense spending. Economic reform is concentrating on four areas. The government wants to create a more vibrant information technology sector, and the recent cut in internet access charges by Pakistan Telecom is a positive move. Agriculture needs to be revived. Small businesses will be encouraged, and finally the energy sector will be boosted. In addition, the government has granted autonomy to the State Bank.

    Secondly, Musharraf wants to strengthen democracy. This is a curious desire from someone who just toppled an elected government, but as we know, democracy in Pakistan has many serious defects. The biggest reform is devolution of power to local bodies at the district level. Musharraf wants local leaders to be elected and to give them authority over local services such as police, education, and health. This would help to break the patronage chain that flows through the central government by moving real power to the local communities. Such a change will be a huge step forward if it is actually implemented.

    Other issues regarding democracy are also on the table. There is consideration being given to making voting compulsory, or possibly changing the system to one of runoff elections that require candidates to have at least 50% of the total vote to win outright. In addition, local union councils are to have 50% of seats reserved for women, and a new voter list with a fraud resistant ID card taken from it will be issued. The voter lists currently in place are terribly out of date and constituted a mechanism for vote rigging.

    Jabbar also talked about institutional reform. Slimming the bureaucracy is a primary goal, however this must be done without causing social havoc from increased unemployment. Restructuring of the Foreign Office has saved a billion rupees alone. The judiciary remains independent in Jabbar’s view, and he points to the recent decisions in the Sharif case and the Riba ruling from the Supreme Court as examples of how independent the courts are.

    Finally, Musharraf has acted to reduce Pakistan’s international isolation. He has already visited seven Muslim countries, five nations in Southeast Asia, China, and got Clinton to agree to visit.

    In the media sphere, the press remains free. The government allows open access to satellite reception of broadcasts, and apparently is willing to allow private radio and TV stations.

    When asked about land reform, Jabbar was rather conservative. He stated that subdivision of landholdings in Punjab and Sindh due to inheritance has already broken up many of the largest estates, and this process is continuing. The government needs to consider the effect of land reform on productivity of agriculture, and pointed out that land reform in India had an undesirable effect on productivity as land got fragmented into plots too small to support advanced agricultural methods. The government currently plans to enforce more vigorously the land reform laws already on the books, but does not appear to have a desire to carry out far-reaching land reform at present.

    Lastly, Jabbar stated that the government was going to move against honor killing, the heinous practice of murdering a female relative that has “disgraced” the family. Musharraf did in fact recently announce that honor killing will be treated as murder, which would be a major leap forward if actually enforced. Musharraf also announced his intention to reduce child labor, and to implement universal primary education. This last promise will cost an extra 100 billion rupees, but if Musharraf does it he will be the best ruler Pakistan has ever had, and that includes the founder.

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