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    WHO REALLY RUNS THE USA?

    Interesting..I suggest EVERYONE look at this!!
    http://www.dawacenter.com/archives/us-jews.html

    makes you finally realize WHY the US is against Muslims

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    "............beauty is life when life unveils her holy face, But you are life and you are the veil. Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in the mirror, But you are eternity and you are the mirror."
    22.1 . O mankind! Fear your Lord . Lo! the earthquake of the Hour ( of Doom ) is a tremendous thing .

    #2
    Originally posted by Hinna:
    Interesting..I suggest EVERYONE look at this!!
    http://www.dawacenter.com/archives/us-jews.html

    makes you finally realize WHY the US is against Muslims

    Hinna

    Jazakallahu khayran!



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    Bubble Buster
    "You mess with the BEST
    You LOSE like the REST!"

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      #3

      Does being jewish necessarily imply that the person is anti-muslim?

      and is the US really against muslims? Does it discriminate between it's citizens on the basis of religion? i havent heard of any stories of american muslims being targeted or their religious freedom being curtailed. the US might not have really nice relations with "islamic" countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq etc., but then, the US isnt obliged to be friendly to countries that openly threaten it's citizens.
      Simple ain't easy.

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        #4


        Oh naive queer.....time to wake up and smell the Zinonists and Anti-Muslim disgusting Coffee.

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          #5

          are all jews zionists?

          why do zionists hate muslims?

          Simple ain't easy.

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            #6
            The US helps nations that are trying to wipe out Muslims.... or turn their cheek when there is brutality against Muslims.

            In Mozambique (mostly muslims)..the old and young are dying of AIDS...the UN has not stepped in to aid....because the security council (US, France, UK, China & Russia) don't think its a worthy cause.

            The US sells weapons to Turkey (who is a muslim state but is tryin to become a "European Nation") in their battle against the Kurds.

            the list continues.......
            22.1 . O mankind! Fear your Lord . Lo! the earthquake of the Hour ( of Doom ) is a tremendous thing .

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              #7

              Pardon my ignorance, but which are the nations that are trying to wipe out muslims?

              Re: Mozambique and UN aid, i doubt if the reason is religion, economic interest is probably more like it. what about somalia, erithrea and ethiopia? arent they muslim majority states that get UN help?

              Turkey? Economics again - Caspian Sea, oil. US certainly could use a friendly Turkey.

              If US is anti-muslim, isnt Iraq anti-muslim too? What about Iran? How about Afghanistan and Turkey where ethnic majority muslims are fighting the minority muslims? How about the rich muslim countries in the persian gulf which turn their cheek when it comes to helping the poor sub saharan african countries?

              my point is, is the hegemonious attitude of the US really linked with religious prejudice? Or is it the result of economic foresight based on it's desire to maintain the No:1 slot? excuse me if i'm being harsh, but most of the poor islamic states dont have much to offer to the US - and with some of them going the fundamentalist way which condemns western culture, the US can afford to stay away from them.
              Simple ain't easy.

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                #8

                Zionists : This group may include members of the intellectulas who are not necesaarily Jews but all those who have empathy with thee state of Israel and only Israel.

                They influence on one hand, policy and decision makers in the government of the West and on the other hand, masses. They understand that in a democracy, people's opinion and their votes count and policy makers respond to voters wishes. They develop support from the public on issues of their interest and lobby with the policy makers at all levels. The Zionists feed ideas to intellectuals, the media and entertainment industry. The Zionists are result oriented pragmatists, therefore, they do not differentiate between truth and fabrications.
                In general, they operate in the name of organizations,such as, AIPAC, Jewish Defense League(JDL), pro-Israel Christian church organiztions, secular nationalists and so on.
                For ex,, the recent vote in Congress about moving the American Embassy to jerusalem was the work of this group and sheesh it definitely shows their power.

                We have all hopefully heard of *******s like Steve Emerson, remember his pseudo docomentary, jihad in America, I will not further comment on him because I have saved up some very interesting things for him. I will surly hurl on him when i meet him in person.

                A British documentary, all you Britain natives should know about that, The sword of Islam" shows how Islamic fundamentalism represents a threat to the West more grave than Nazism or Communism"

                We have all seen the movie Not without my daughther" also a product of the Zionists.

                Queeraab kuch samaj aya. I hope now u have some perspective of what zionism is and where it stands for.

                [This message has been edited by Pakiice (edited April 08, 2000).]

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                  #9
                  queer:

                  Read the facts below and check it out yourself for accuracy. If you are not a spineless coward, come back and refute me IF YOU CAN . This is what Jewish religion is? According to Jewish religion your mother/sister/daughter are sheasses. Read all of it for a rude awakening.

                  Jews and Gentiles:

                  The Talmud is one of the most major of all books in Judaism after the Torah. The Talmud covers every aspect of Jewish Life. Everything from what Jews wear and say, to how they act towards others and treat them.

                  Judaism, all but reform Jews, treat anyone who is not a Jew as a, sorry for lack of a better word I must say, dog. By the Talmud, if you are not a Jew you are not human! And, if you are not human, then you are equivalent to an animal.

                  The Talmud is at times a very hate filled book. The Ultra-Orthodox and the Orthodox as well as Conservative Jews take it and place it a bit higher than the Torah. This is also why Judaism for the most part will not allow converts!

                  Some Teachings of the Talmud:

                  Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

                  Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

                  Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").


                  Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").

                  Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

                  O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

                  Jews Have Superior Legal Status, Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

                  Jews May Steal from Non-Jews, Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

                  Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

                  Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

                  Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

                  Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

                  Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human, Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

                  Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

                  Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

                  Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"

                  Insults Against Blessed Mary

                  Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

                  Gloats over Christ Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

                  Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

                  Horrible Blasphemy of Our Lord, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."

                  Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

                  Attacks Christians and their Books, Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition of minim).

                  Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.

                  Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

                  Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
                  Sick and Insane Teachings, Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.

                  Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.

                  Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

                  Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

                  Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

                  Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

                  Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

                  Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

                  Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

                  Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

                  Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

                  Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."

                  Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were exhibited in Spielberg*s Schindler's List where the Hollywood director shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own. These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that matter, in the Talmud as well. Gittin 69b (p. 329).

                  To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should >take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs.< Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads. Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave. Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have sex during the day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark. Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews). A Revealing Admission Abodah Zarah 70a .

                  The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews Pharisaic Rituals Erubin 21b (p. 150). >>Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me some water to wash my hands." "It will not suffice for drinking," the other complained, "will it suffice for washing your hands?" "What can I do?' the former replied, "when for neglecting the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that I myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion of my colleagues." [This is the ritual hand washing condemned by Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9]. Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman Kallah 51a (Soncino Minor Tractates). Teaches that God approves of rabbis who lie: "The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a *******. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a ******* and a son of a niddah. "They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans. "He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.' Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a ******* and the son of a niddah. It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..." In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars the preceding discussion is actually about Christ (the lad who 'uncovered his head'). The reference to the lad's mother is of course to the mother of Jesus, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in Talmud). Genocide Advocated by Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed"). This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617). This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation.

                  The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b]. Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B). On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane"). Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5). Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).


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                  Bubble Buster
                  "You mess with the BEST
                  You LOSE like the REST!"


                  [This message has been edited by Bubble Buster (edited April 08, 2000).]

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                    #10
                    Pakiice:

                    Jazakallahu khayran!

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                    Bubble Buster
                    "You mess with the BEST
                    You LOSE like the REST!"


                    [This message has been edited by Bubble Buster (edited April 08, 2000).]

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                      #11

                      Pakiice,

                      that was informative. hmm.. so zionists spread false propaganda about muslims in order to rally support for Israel. i havent heard of the documentaries and movies you mentioned, but you are probably better informed than me. i've lived all my life in india, never known any jew closely, but i've seen this US bashing a lot - hindu extremists denouncing western culture and naming US as the enemy of the world, muslim extremists claiming US as the biggest enemy of Islam. religious passions are easy to stir and misuse. associating the US with jews would be one easy way to turn all muslims against the US, that a muslim in america is treated much better than a muslim in many of the "islamic" states just wouldnt matter.

                      BB,

                      i'd read that stuff of yours when you put it up on the religion forum. i find it difficult to believe that your quotes from the Talmud, if true, are taken out in proper context, and that most jews accept all that hatred. if they do, i dont see how they could be so successful among non-jews as they are today. also, since you prefer to be addressed as an american rather than be known by your sub-continental roots, i find it rather interesting that you agreed so easily that the US is anti-muslim.
                      Simple ain't easy.

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                        #12
                        queer:

                        That Talmud post or references are not out of context. What makes you think they are? Why you don't do your own investigation than speculation. Jews success has nothing to do with Talmud. Also being American and being an American Muslim are two separate things. Since you are not a Muslim so either you don't understand or don't want to understand. I spend considerable time reading some posts. About that BB guy, I don't think that India or Pakistan means anything to him. I think his messages more reflects to sharing the faith with Muslims. Let me ask you a question. How can Talmud's references can out be out of context, when each verse has a complete meaning and command itself?
                        Out of context means if "the part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning is missing or compromised." Please tell me that how it can be out of context. Or you are just using it because it sounds scholarly and gives an impression to others that author is a knowledgeable person?

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                          #13
                          All old religious books, without exception, are a collection of what was fit at that time. (so are new books which will be found so in course of time. Mirza ghalib's ghazals or Kalidas's 'Shakuntala' or Shakespear's dramas which reflect the basic human nature are perhaps more relevant and long lasting than any religious book which tell how to dress and what to do to someone who stole ur goat)

                          i dont think each jew is aware or follows entire religious stuff.. so religious books can not and should not be a criterion of judging jews as community.

                          afterall, person who changed the world and gave philosophy for opressed, Karl Marx, was a jew.

                          UK was predominantly christian. it did not turn other cheek if hit or spread love or like. it ruthlessly colonized the world. policies of nations and communities have little to do with religions.

                          [This message has been edited by ZZ (edited April 09, 2000).]

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                            #14
                            bubble...thanx for the info!!!
                            22.1 . O mankind! Fear your Lord . Lo! the earthquake of the Hour ( of Doom ) is a tremendous thing .

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                              #15
                              i dont know if US is run by jews but media definitely is. now whats more powerful us govt or its media u decide. i think the media.

                              bubble buster, whats ur source for this vast knowledge on islam and various issues facing islam. i hope u dont have to type this stuff every single time.

                              u mind if i quote u else where?

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