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    Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

    I would argue that the British Raj was a good thing because by the time of Bahadur Shah Zafar in 1850s, the Mughals were at their weakest and their decline had become inevitable.
    If the british had not taken control of the sub-continent, then the Hindu Marathas in western india and sikhs in punjab would have become dominant force all over sub-continent and Muslims would have been forced to live under their Hindu Raj. i think that would have been even more disastrous than the white man's british raj for the muslims?

    the British raj filled that power vacuum at a crucial time in history, and allowed the muslims to regroup first under Sir Syed Ahmad khan's leadership in the late 1800s and later the Quaid-e-Azam's muslim league fought to ensure that we have Pakistan and the hindu baniyas don't rule over the entire sub-continent
    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

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    Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

    They sure rule the US...Do you know how many Patels have businesses in America?
    Focus not on who you are but what you do...
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      #3
      Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

      is there one unified muslim perspective on anything in the subcontinent? are the destinies of people linked based solely on religion? it is dumb to pit everything as pious muslims vs schemy hindu banyas. of course one can always rationalize that two centuries of slavery under the white man's yoke was better than being under hindu raj.

      speaking of power vacuums and the british raj, i believe it did pave the path for native rulers in many parts of the subcontinent. punjab and sindh hadnt seen a local ruler in almost a millenium (counting ranjeet singh out).
      Simple ain't easy.

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        Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

        Before you can say 'In...', queer is there, before you can say 'Hin...', queer is there to defend and before you can say 'Gan...' queer is there with the history of the peace movement started by Gandhi...
        Focus not on who you are but what you do...
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          #5
          Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

          I think the british should have ruled over the sub-continent for a little longer and partitioned it into many more than just 2 different countries.
          Sub-continent should have been partitioned into atleast a dozen different countries on a linguistic basic if not religion.

          if i was an indian muslim, i would prefer to live under the white man's british raj instead of a hindu-dominated country
          PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

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            #6
            Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

            when i see posts like this i cant help but be awestruck at what a difference 60 years has had on the collective IQs of populations split across a manmade line; one fed a socialistic wannabe-secular agenda, and the other a religious supremacy one. lahori pai, your wish for white man's raj's over your nation has been granted - check lajawab's signature for further info.
            Simple ain't easy.

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              Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

              Originally posted by queer
              when i see posts like this i cant help but be awestruck at what a difference 60 years has had on the collective IQs of populations split across a manmade line; one fed a socialistic wannabe-secular agenda, and the other a religious supremacy one. lahori pai, your wish for white man's raj's over your nation has been granted - check lajawab's signature for further info.
              you still have not answered my question.

              I think the british raj was a good outcome for the muslim interests at that crucial time in history.
              the only mistake made by the british was that they didn't partition sub-continent into atleast a dozen countries based on a linguistic basis.

              As for your snide remarks about Pakistan's alliance with USA. People like Lajawab are jahil mullahs who don't care about Pakistan's strategic interests.
              PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

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                #8
                Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

                Don't be a khota.

                Brits were just as bad as Sikhs and Hindus, Muslims suffered all the same under them.

                From what my Punjabi and Bangali friends tell me from their grandparents Brit Raj was an ugly period of our history, however in our areas they left us pretty much alone becuase they were probably scared of us.

                Sikhs didn't rule much of India though, Mughals were just gandus anyway but maybe with a bit of determination Mughals/Afghans could have easily regained what we'd lost but I suppose what was to happen was to happen, Brit Raj was inevitable.

                We still would have been better of in a united India, we Muslims would have had a better representation in the country, now we're weaker than we ever would have been and we're divided into three and we've let ourselves down and the Indian and Bengali Muslims down.

                The real jaahils are your types blind moranic nationalists who don't know what they're standing up for, whether they're coming or going.

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                  #9
                  Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

                  The Hindu Marathas were always too divided amongst themselves (with a few brief years of exception) too ever form a functional large scale empire.

                  Beside which, viewing it as Muslim-championing Mughals versus Hindu-championing Marathas is a gross oversimplification.

                  The Mughals raised Hindus to positions of great power in their empire and the Marathas raised Muslims to positions of power.

                  For example, one of the Mughal expeditions to try and crush the marathas was commanded by a Hindu Prince who had sworn loyalty to the Mughals. In the army facing him, Maratha Confederation forces included Muslim commanders who were opposed to the Mughals.

                  If the British had not occupied India, all that you would end up with would be many countries on the Indian Subcontinent. Most, if not all, would still be dictatorial monarchies. From the example of Japan, the countries would probably have gotten indutrialised of their own accord - the argument that the British were the only way India could have modernised is torpedoed by the japanese example.

                  India would probably have been better off without the British, even with being heavily divided, it would eventually just turn into another Europe, methinks.
                  Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
                  Al-Ghazali

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                    #10
                    Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

                    Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT
                    India would probably have been better off without the British, even with being heavily divided, it would eventually just turn into another Europe, methinks.
                    perhaps...but with very different borders than the current states within India, Pak, etc.

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                      #11
                      Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

                      the hindu baniya had been enslaved by the muslims and british for over 1000 years. That is why i consider the british raj a good thing.

                      it is just my contempt for the hindu, that i would not mind having the british ruling over the sub-continent for a few hundred more years as long the baniya remained enslaved.
                      PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

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                        #12
                        Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

                        I think the lowest point of the Muslim was that they let them selves to be enslaved. I could never understand why they didnít resist the British. Rather they became their pitho and fought their wars. Pathetic.
                        بِن دانا پانی میں جی لواں
                        بِن انَک میں جی نہ سکاں

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                          Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

                          Minime Bhaijan, if that didnít happen, my ancestors wouldnít have made so much money. The oldest British Indian Ironsmith (Lohar) firm was registered in Zila Sargodha in 1870s by my great great grandfather, and we were the largest supplier of Bayonets (the Khanjar placed on the rifle) in both World Wars.

                          Good bless the King.

                          The Bunyaad of our ancestral home in my village was laid by The representative of the Viceroy of India himself. We are told that the Cement was placed on a plate made of pure Gold for Sahib to use the Trovel (also made of pure Gold) to poar the cement with.

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                            Patels have motels and gas stations all over the US of A ,,, ,, long live edi yah ameen ,,
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                              #15
                              Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?

                              Sir ji, but the poor people of Sargodah never knew that the gold was stolen from their cities in the first place. Anyway, I am not proud of what our ancestors did when the British were in India. Especially the (muslim) Punjabis, they were like drooling in front of the Raj, never ever thought beyond their tid.
                              بِن دانا پانی میں جی لواں
                              بِن انَک میں جی نہ سکاں

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