Marxism and Islam

[cat-woman]

If Marxist principles are partly based on Darwinism, does it make Marxism unislamic? I'm really confused. What does Islam say about economic systems and what does Darwinism have to do with Marxism? Can anyone shed some light on this matter?

[Let Uz Chat]

all i know is that darwins theory of evolution has no basis in islam watsoever primarily because we muslims believe in the fact that allah subhanawa ta'allah created human beings we don't believe that we were transformed from apes or monkeys.

re the karl marx theories i don't know.

peace.

[cat-woman]

Well that's not what I was asking.

[Let Uz Chat]

^^ i understand that but u metioned darwinsim in ur article also so i thought why not share wat i know about his work.

[Matsui]

Darwinism could not be further away from marxist beliefs. darwinism, when looked at in the socio-economic realm is best suited to explain capitalism. Survival of the fittest, symbiosis and mutual benefits to buyers and seelers are all darwnist/capitalist mantras.

marxism is more applicable to islamic economic system. Where egalitarian values are mandated whether by state (religious or deviod of religion) but have poor implementation realities. failed systems of economic governance.

[Seminole]

I believe Marxism and Islam (in the form that is practiced today) has more to do with the Borg than Darwinism. "Resistance is futile. We are Borg. We will assimilate you". Once assimilated, no Borg can act alone, but has to follow the party line. The same can be said about Marxism and Islam, where individuality is suppressed in favor of following the collective thought.

[Stu]

I agree w/you Seminole on the Borg:Islam:Marxism parallel. I've often had the same thought.

[cat-woman]

Well Marx also believes that capitalism has to precede the emergence of a truly socialist system. The reason I ask this question is because in the opening pages of Harun Yahya's book, Evolution Deceit, he relates the two (Marxism and Darwinism) and how Marx praises Darwin in his findings. So he puts Marx into the same category of evil.

For some reason I don't think Islam would favour socialism, why would charity have such a big role to play in Islam if we really were an egalitarian society. Sure Islam says we should not be materialistic, but nowhere does it say the welfare of the society at large is in the hands of the state, or does it?

I think I have to do research on this myself before I start making false assumptions or spreading confusion.

[Matsui]

^ you may want to read up on the Islamic system of governance and economics. Your assertions are inaccurate. Islam and marxism/socialism/communism have more in common than marxism and darwinism.

[cat-woman]

Okay, but how come you're so sure, I don't think you have all your facts either.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Seminole:
I believe Marxism and Islam (in the form that is practiced today) has more to do with the Borg than Darwinism. "Resistance is futile. We are Borg. We will assimilate you". Once assimilated, no Borg can act alone, but has to follow the party line. The same can be said about Marxism and Islam, where individuality is suppressed in favor of following the collective thought.

hehe

the same parallel can be drawn upon any culture / nation.

Societies frown upon those who go against the societies belief's and values. Cultures do the same. Nations do the same.....

Dont bring up faulty arguments in here. You can apply the borg theory to almost any group on this planet

And who says islam suppresses individuality ? you are free to do as you choose, but a guideline is set for you to follow, and if you do so you are rewarded, same is the case with any religion in the world.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Matsui:
^ you may want to read up on the Islamic system of governance and economics. Your assertions are inaccurate. Islam and marxism/socialism/communism have more in common than marxism and darwinism.

Care to support your arguments comrade ?

[cat-woman]

Originally posted by Maniac:
And who says islam suppresses individuality ? you are free to do as you choose, but a guideline is set for you to follow, and if you do so you are rewarded, same is the case with any religion in the world.

Exactly, Islam does not suppress individuality. And anyway, Marxism goes against organised religion of any sort, infact Marxism = Atheism, so Matsui how can you say there is a strong correlation between socialist beliefs and Islam?

[Matsui]

Sure thing sweetie.

Marxism and Islam follow the same logic. in economics. State control over how goods are produced and sold and bought. Whether th elaws are supposedly divine or sans religion, the purpose of economic governancce is the same. It is the exact antithesis of a socio-economic darwinian slant and capitalism which caters to "Natural Selection"-competitive positioning, "supply and demand"- hence symbiosis, as I mentioned earlier and "Survival of the fittest"- profit motive.

[cat-woman]

*bleh* You're just repeating yourself, I'm yet to be convinced. If Islam preached socialism don't you think every Islamic state would have atleast tried implementing socialism. Non-Islamic states are more socialist than Islamic ones that practise sharia law.