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    India's "Veggie" Bowlers - REVISITED

    It takes a lot to impress me - so I am happy to report that I have positive feedback about Sree Santh's bowling yesterday. I had seen a little of him against Sri Lanka and thought he was just another one in the long line of mediocre medium pacers who are inducted into the Indian team from time to time only to be dumped and forgotten forever.
    Sree Santh has a very smooth, clean, uncomplicated run-up and bowling action. I just wish he was a bit taller. Also, I got the impression that he puts a lot of thought into his bowling. - always a good sign.
    Now, this is going to ruffle a few feathers (among my Pak friends) but Santh does have a run-in to the wicket that resembles that of Waqar Younis - though he doesn't quite have the same built as Waqar.


    RP Singh , however, is somewhat erratic as compared to Santh....he has good pace and the ability to move the ball bothways....but needs more control over his line. I did not like the casual way he played down the question of his bowling 10+ wides yesterday , saying - "It happens sometimes".....He has talent, but Greg Chappel clearly has some work to do with him.

    Agarkar - What can I say ? A wicket here and a wicket there camouflages the mediocrity of a bowler who has been playing International Cricket for about 8 Years now. I will just say that it is a shame for India to be playing him at the expense of the numerous potential youngsters waiting to be tried.

    Zaheer Khan - He is fast transforming into an Agarkar. I have been a fervent supporter of Zaheer. However, I am beginning to have second thoughts about him. I think Zaheer tried a bit too hard during this tour - probably due to the threat posed to his spot by Pathan/Santh/RPS...I will not shed any tears this time if he is dropped during the series against England.

    Pathan - So far, so good !!
    Last edited by Some1; Feb 16, 2006, 09:41 PM.

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    I think they all should start eating non-veg to be as good as Rana Naved,Sami and Umair Gul..

    Wait a minute... They actually did better.
    Its 5-0-1 in worldcup.
    Its good to be world champions again.
    And we though Aussies were invincible.

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      Indian bowlers bowled with a lot of cricketing sense, and pitched the ball where it should be pitched. To be able to get wickets, you need more than just good sensible bowling, though:

      1. You need mistake from the batsmen (though arguably you can induce a mistake by constantly applying pressure and varying line n' length).
      2. You need good fielders to hold on to the catches (Indian team caught some real blinders in this series- fantastic fielding, as that put pressure on the batsmen).
      3. You need some luck.

      Its always premature to pass judgements on a bowler after 1 or 2 series. Lets give them all (put in Asif in the mix too) some time before putting them on a pedestal.
      "Let your friends underestimate your virtues. Let your enemies overestimate your faults." - Godfather.

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        Originally posted by Faisal
        Its always premature to pass judgements on a bowler after 1 or 2 series. Lets give them all (put in Asif in the mix too) some time before putting them on a pedestal.

        You are spot on about that. I am not passing a final judgement on Santh or RPS yet...only saying that they look promising.

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          this past match was the first time during this tour where i found myself consciously impressed (relatively speaking) with India's bowling.

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            ^Part of the credit must go to Chappel....you could tell that the bowlers had done some home work before the match.

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              17 wides wasnt too tidy. 10 wides by RPS. On a bad day it would have made a difference.

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                Except for Irfan Pathan, all the rest are mediocre flash in the pan bowlers. Sreesanth is another Agarkar in the making.

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                  ^^ surprise surprise. only last year did funguy claim irfan pathan was useless.

                  if wasim akram bowled one afternoon wearing blue clothes, funguy will claim he is just another agarkar.
                  Simple ain't easy.

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                    Sree Santh..i agree with you,….that is the first time I saw him bowling and I liked his smooth and clean runup…..some1, I don’t think that his action resembles to waqar younis that much…however, his action is pretty similar to Daniel Morrison of NZ….I am not sure how many of you have actually seen Morrsion bowling in early 90s…..

                    RP Singh….nothing special about him at all….he will be one of those bowlers who will be discarded after few experiments but if he is lucky and well-connected politically, one can see him playing for next few years but in terms of shear talent, the guy does not posses anything special….plus India already have so many left-handed fast bowlers…….If you are a left handed fast bowler, the most important thing is the angle between your arms at which you deliver the ball. Wasim Akram had that sharp angle which always allowed him to bowl with great speed even even with a shorter run up.
                    Last edited by phoenixdesi; Feb 16, 2006, 03:16 PM.

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                      Sreesanth and RP Singh are the finds for India. There isnt any doubt about that. But then again, Indian bowlers do well the year they come on the scene. Agarkar was really sharp when he came along, as was Zaheer Khan. AshisH Nehra was a similar case. But they all faded away (or seemed like past their best) after 3-4 years of international cricket and generally THIS is the time for a fast bowler's prime; when he has played 3-4 years of international cricket. But this isnt the case with indian bowlers. Zaheer, Nehra, Agarkar, all have lost their pace. And all of them made their mark when they came to the scene as newbies. Did they peal too soon? Now RP singh and Sree Santh both have been impressive. Lets see where are they performance wise after an year or two.
                      The will of Allah will not take you where the Grace of Allah will not protect you.

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                        I think making fun of their religious practices doesn't get us anywhere. Should the Aussies brag about pork assisting their bowling?

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                          Originally posted by queer
                          ^^ surprise surprise. only last year did funguy claim irfan pathan was useless.

                          if wasim akram bowled one afternoon wearing blue clothes, funguy will claim he is just another agarkar.
                          Keep in mind, I am relatively speaking. The only good thing I said about Pathan was 'Except'

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                            Originally posted by Saby
                            Sreesanth and RP Singh are the finds for India. There isnt any doubt about that. But then again, Indian bowlers do well the year they come on the scene. Agarkar was really sharp when he came along, as was Zaheer Khan. AshisH Nehra was a similar case. But they all faded away (or seemed like past their best) after 3-4 years of international cricket and generally THIS is the time for a fast bowler's prime; when he has played 3-4 years of international cricket. But this isnt the case with indian bowlers. Zaheer, Nehra, Agarkar, all have lost their pace. And all of them made their mark when they came to the scene as newbies. Did they peal too soon? Now RP singh and Sree Santh both have been impressive. Lets see where are they performance wise after an year or two.
                            Totally spot on. This has been problem with Indian bowlers. The come with bang and then fade away very soon.
                            Regarding RP, I think his biggest strenght is that, because of his high arm action he is able to lift the ball a lot and if when he pitches those balls in right area he becomes dangerous. He can be even more dangerous in AUS wickets. I was impressed by him during SL series and he impressed me aagain during this series. Sreesanth looks promising too. But I would bet my money on RP too have longer career.
                            Let see how it goes.

                            Regarding Zaheer, I think he can still be asset for Indian team if he gets his act together. He can still generate good pace.

                            Agarkar: I have no idea why he is there. Not only his batting sucks but I have noticed that he looks pretty aloof in the team. As if his wife has kust left him. Always alone and dull. His body language is pretty pathetic.
                            Last edited by fair_&_balance; Feb 16, 2006, 04:07 PM.
                            Its 5-0-1 in worldcup.
                            Its good to be world champions again.
                            And we though Aussies were invincible.

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                              Originally posted by funguy
                              Keep in mind, I am relatively speaking. The only good thing I said about Pathan was 'Except'
                              Keep in mind, i am speaking absolutely when i say i am yet to see you make a SINGLE sensible prediction that ever turned up correct in retrospect. except wexcept ki taang mat toro.
                              Simple ain't easy.

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