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    Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titus,

    Modern Asian Studies
    32
    ,
    3
    (
    1998
    ), pp.
    657
    ±
    687
    .

    1998
    Cambridge University Press
    Printed in the United Kingdom
    Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun:
    Stereotypes, Social Organization and History
    in Western Pakistan
    PAUL TITUS
    University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
    Frontier Wars are but the surf that marks the edge and the advance of the wave of
    civilization.
    –Lord Salisbury,
    1892
    Like the jellyĘsh, the absence of a backbone to be broken was the greatest defense of the
    tribes against the waves of state power which beat upon them.
    [Yapp
    1983
    :
    186

    click this link to read the complete story http://www.pashtunforums.com/buytheP...e%20Baluch.pdf

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    Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

    Mir Baloch. Appreciate your contribution and looking forward to discuss more about Baloch culture and history with you.

    Just a liile request. Please add sayings of different historians / authors about Balochs in one thread. That would be easy for discussion purposes.Thanks.
    We should care for each other more than we care for ideas, or else we will end up killing each other.

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      Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

      Originally posted by muqawwee123 View Post
      Mir Baloch. Appreciate your contribution and looking forward to discuss more about Baloch culture and history with you.

      Just a liile request. Please add sayings of different historians / authors about Balochs in one thread. That would be easy for discussion purposes.Thanks.
      oops sorry did not knew the rules

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        #4
        Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

        Originally posted by Mir Baloch View Post
        oops sorry did not knew the rules
        No problem. Its not rule, I'm just asking for convenience of discussion
        We should care for each other more than we care for ideas, or else we will end up killing each other.

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          #5
          Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

          Originally posted by Mir Baloch View Post
          Modern Asian Studies
          32
          ,
          3
          (
          1998
          ), pp.
          657
          ±
          687
          .

          1998
          Cambridge University Press
          Printed in the United Kingdom
          Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun:
          Stereotypes, Social Organization and History
          in Western Pakistan
          PAUL TITUS
          University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
          Frontier Wars are but the surf that marks the edge and the advance of the wave of
          civilization.
          –Lord Salisbury,
          1892
          Like the jellyĘsh, the absence of a backbone to be broken was the greatest defense of the
          tribes against the waves of state power which beat upon them.
          [Yapp
          1983
          :
          186

          click this link to read the complete story http://www.pashtunforums.com/buytheP...e%20Baluch.pdf
          Respected Cousin

          I, as being a half Punjabi, half Baloch, (the son of Rajput father & Lashari mother), let me appreciate your valuable contributions to the forum. I, as being in the Army for more than 28 years, having served in all the provinces plus Kashmir & having a slim interest in history, would like to share something over here. Let me say that the statement quoted by Paul Titus was published in 1998 and was attributed to a Jamali Sardar. Well, I was born in Lahore in 1965 and my maternal family is well a knitted Baloch fraternity having Lasharis, Rinds & Jatois in Lahore, and Korais in Mailsi, Vihari. In fact in 1950s & 60s, the different Baloch Sardars or their representatives used to come to Lahore on an annual get together arranged by my Maternal Grand Father, Mr Allah Bakhsh Lashari & his younger brother Mr Abdul Hakeem Lashari. The reason to give this detail is that I had heard different versions of various so called British policy rules about different races. Let me share a few over here.

          1. Give food to Bengalis, fear to Sindhis, land to Punjabis, money to Pathans, respect to Balochis, job to Gurkhas, palaces to Rajputs & education to Hindus.

          2. Give titles to Pathan Nawabs, horse lands to Punjabi Nawabs, gun salutes to Baloch Nawabs, jaagirs to Sikh Nawabs and patronage to Hindu Nawabs.

          3. Keep a Bengali, hungry; a Sindhi, illiterate; a Pathan, near; a Balochi, away, a Punjabi, busy; a Sikh, pompous and a Hindu, loyal.

          4. Never employ a Bengali; Never trust a Pathan, Never empower a Punjabi, Never confront a Balochi, Never educate a Sindhi, Never squabble a Hindu, Never belittle a Rajput, Never trade a Memon.

          I don't know which of these is a fact and which, a fable. All I know is, that British, ruled every body, Punjabis, Balochis, Sikhs, Pathans, Sindhis, Hindus, Gujaratis, Bengalis, Gurkhas, Southerners, Northerners etc. For the British, it was all about;

          1. DIVIDE & RULE

          2. PREJUDICE AMONG PEOPLE

          3. SEGREGATION OF EVERY RACE

          4. A DIFFERENT RULE FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE

          Although the British left in 1947, we are still beating the old trumpets which might not have been accurate or appropriate even in those days, what to talk of them today. To me, all such statements were merely to prolong the British rule on one pretext or the other.

          As being a Muslim, a Pakistani, an Army Officer, a Doctor, let me say that from a Rligious, National, Martial & Psychological point of view,

          1. Every Human needs, Honour, Respect, Food, Education, Job etc.

          2. No Human being should be Bribed, Intimidated, Belittled, Ridiculed, Polarised, etc.

          3. Honour, Respect, Integrity, Chivalry, Bravery etc are Human Traits which are present in every race, culture & ethnicity.

          4. Fanatic, Awful, Terrible, Dreadful & Appalling people are also present in every race, culture & ethnicity.

          So in my humble opinion, it is better to avoid generalising good or bad attributes to any specific race etc.

          The Best or the Worst of a human being generally depends upon time, circumstances & fate.
          Sag-e-Madina-o-Najaf

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            Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

            Stereotypes are made based on trends and those trends are less to do with the people themselves than it is to do with the environment they are in at the time and often the situation at hand may create a false trend. Nonetheless this is what was used by the British and "as a people" (how's that for a stereotype) they continue to stereotype one another and other people.

            But stereotyping is also prevalent in our own society - but not by region, those stereotypes are split by family and cast or trade. Some are positive - for example ... some it is common belief that "hairdressers" or the "nai" cast are "good cooks" ...

            Sometimes stereotypes of whole nations are made - such as the Saudis calling the Pakistanis miskeen and consider us a "bunch of beggars", because their interaction with us is just that.

            Dr Sufi's advice is invaluable ... we need to treat people well and although we may come to each other with preconceptions - from the stereotypes we have formed. We should not let those stereotypes cloud our judgment when we interact with individuals - we should take them as they come ... Perhaps we can privately in our minds commend the people for being unlike their stereotypes in bad things and further commend them for being like their stereotypes in good things ... Being predictable might have some value, but the reverse can also be a pleasant surprise.

            My take on stereotypes is therefore not so black and white ... People are made into different races and nations so that we may know one another - that sounds like a sort of stereotyping itself ... But I think it is supposed to be taken as a guide to behave with them rather than a stick to judge them by.
            The Prophet(SAW) said:
            "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].

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              #7
              Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

              Originally posted by psyah View Post
              Stereotypes are made based on trends and those trends are less to do with the people themselves than it is to do with the environment they are in at the time and often the situation at hand may create a false trend. Nonetheless this is what was used by the British and "as a people" (how's that for a stereotype) they continue to stereotype one another and other people.

              But stereotyping is also prevalent in our own society - but not by region, those stereotypes are split by family and cast or trade. Some are positive - for example ... some it is common belief that "hairdressers" or the "nai" cast are "good cooks" ...

              Sometimes stereotypes of whole nations are made - such as the Saudis calling the Pakistanis miskeen and consider us a "bunch of beggars", because their interaction with us is just that.

              Dr Sufi's advice is invaluable ... we need to treat people well and although we may come to each other with preconceptions - from the stereotypes we have formed. We should not let those stereotypes cloud our judgment when we interact with individuals - we should take them as they come ... Perhaps we can privately in our minds commend the people for being unlike their stereotypes in bad things and further commend them for being like their stereotypes in good things ... Being predictable might have some value, but the reverse can also be a pleasant surprise.

              My take on stereotypes is therefore not so black and white ... People are made into different races and nations so that we may know one another - that sounds like a sort of stereotyping itself ... But I think it is supposed to be taken as a guide to behave with them rather than a stick to judge them by.
              dont you think that you are generalizing Saudis here, another stereotyping ?
              Turn the table...
              Sun to sahi jahan main hai tera fasana kya.

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                Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

                TREATY OF KALAT 1758 BETWEEN QANDAHAR AND KALAT AND ITS IMPACT click this link to read the complete story http://www.uob.edu.pk/Journals/TREAT...%20IMPACTS.pdf

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                  Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

                  Post # 5: The best post on GS ever!

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                    Re: Honor the Baloch, Buy the Pushtun intimidate sindhi and rule punjabi ~ (Paul Titu

                    Originally posted by Mostar95 View Post
                    Post # 5: The best post on GS ever!
                    Respected Sir, I really feel humbled for your kind compliments. Thanks
                    Sag-e-Madina-o-Najaf

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