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    Sheep jumps from roof in Egypt when it sees butcher

    A sheep leaped from the roof of a building in the Egyptian oasis town of Fayum when it saw the butcher arrive with his knife on the Muslim Eid al-Adha holiday, the Al-Wafd newspaper said today.

    The animal did not die from its injuries, and the butcher was still able to slice its throat in line with Islamic law, which forbids the eating of animals killed accidentally, according to Wafd, an opposition daily.

    Following tradition, every Muslim who has the means must sacrifice a sheep on the first day of Eid al-Adha, the feast of the sacrifice that follows the Haj pilgrimage to Mecca.

    It re-enacts the sacrifice of Abraham, who is considered by Islam as the first prophet. Three-quarters of the slaughtered animal are to be distributed to the poor, while the rest is eaten during the holiday.

    #2
    ...and the point is...?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Peacemaker:
      ...and the point is...?
      Chilli Chill out,
      Since you are guest in pak forum,learn something,itmay be worth your time

      SACRIFICE IS AT THE HEART OF all RELIGIONS.Many synics sneer at the
      animals suffering for mans sacrifiace.But God being the beneficient &
      mercifull to his human,changed the intention of offering the utmost
      prized possession of IBRAHIM,anglicised ABRAHAM,his only son Ismael or
      michael (anglicized)just at the last moment into a lamb.This was test of
      Allah for humans ,& was not a cruel god asking for the most dear
      possesion for his sacrifice .It combines both intensity of degree of
      devotion to be able to bear sacrifice of ones dearest son yet happy
      ending that god made it easy & possible by symbolically accepting the
      lesser painful offer of lamb or other equivalent animal.INSTEAD OF YOUR
      SON!!
      BTW we subscribe to the view that,humans are the highest on food
      chain,human survival takes precedence over animals ,who are gifts from
      god for man & not equal to human.
      i do support PETA ,SPCA ,& believe it you can be humane & non vegeterian

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      aaj kHat likhne main unki jaan jaati hai .....

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        #4
        Originally posted by chilli:
        A sheep leaped from the roof of a building in the Egyptian oasis town of Fayum when it saw the butcher arrive with his knife on the Muslim Eid al-Adha holiday, the Al-Wafd newspaper said today.

        The animal did not die from its injuries, and the butcher was still able to slice its throat in line with Islamic law, which forbids the eating of animals killed accidentally, according to Wafd, an opposition daily.
        well chilly lady what about the bakra's who are sacrificed to please the hindu diety's?
        havent you heard of the proverb "bali ka bakra"?
        what about the thousands of cows and sheeps that are being slaughtered in uk and europe to stop the spread of mad cow and foot and mouth desease ?
        what about the sikhs who slaughter and eat cows and sheep? what about the dalits who also eat the beef cause it is cheap to buy?
        and what about the christians world over who relish on beef and meat?

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          #5
          Chilli you would not believe it but its true,
          I have no reson to lie

          A friend of mine who lives in india was kidnapped about 10 yrs ago by Hindu Sadus. you want to know why. SO HE COULD BE SECRIFISED FOR SOME HINDU GOD. He escaped at the last moment and is alive to tell the whole story. Just that you know.

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            #6
            Chilli,

            go to the religion forum and you will see an eye-popping account of a tiger killed and eaten as custom of hindu religion.

            At least the sheep isn't an endangered species!

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              #7
              what about the sikhs who slaughter and eat cows and sheep?

              Sikhs consider cows scared animals in India and don't eat them ....sometime i wonder if u have ever lived in India. U have very limited knowledge about Punjabis but, you feel necessary have to jump in every debate and talk about them.


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                #8
                Originally posted by TAZZ:

                A friend of mine who lives in india was kidnapped about 10 yrs ago by Hindu Sadus. you want to know why. SO HE COULD BE SECRIFISED FOR SOME HINDU GOD. He escaped at the last moment and is alive to tell the whole story. Just that you know.

                I think its time you rethink about the friends you keep....(Come to think of it, I am sure his sacrifice would have pleased the GOD !!)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rani:
                  what about the sikhs who slaughter and eat cows and sheep?

                  Sikhs consider cows scared animals in India and don't eat them ....sometime i wonder if u have ever lived in India. U have very limited knowledge about Punjabis but, you feel necessary have to jump in every debate and talk about them.

                  rani i guess you are the brahmanised version of sikhs i have not met a single sikh here who does not eat beef. and iam talking about india not canada

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                    #10
                    rani i guess you are the brahmanised version of sikhs i have not met a single sikh here who does not eat beef. and iam talking about india not canada

                    I thought u were refering to India because Sikhs will not slaughters the cows in Canada it is done in slaughter houses...people buy there meat in super markets.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by chilli:
                      A sheep leaped from the roof of a building in the Egyptian oasis town of Fayum when it saw the butcher arrive with his knife on the Muslim Eid al-Adha holiday, the Al-Wafd newspaper said today.

                      The animal did not die from its injuries, and the butcher was still able to slice its throat in line with Islamic law, which forbids the eating of animals killed accidentally, according to Wafd, an opposition daily.

                      Following tradition, every Muslim who has the means must sacrifice a sheep on the first day of Eid al-Adha, the feast of the sacrifice that follows the Haj pilgrimage to Mecca.

                      It re-enacts the sacrifice of Abraham, who is considered by Islam as the first prophet. Three-quarters of the slaughtered animal are to be distributed to the poor, while the rest is eaten during the holiday.

                      Madam get you facts straight...where in I slam it says that prophet Ibrahim is considered the first prophet.

                      Now lets get to the point...I love my beef and lamb, and you can also say checken and ummm... I could name quite a few but lets waste time here...i don't worship them, and they are not my aunties or brothers recarnated in those animals.

                      I am sure you love a good barbeque.

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                        #12
                        Hard to determine who was more desperate, the sheep who jumped off the roof or the initiator who took the time to share such a important piece of info with us, without which the world would have been missing out on something grand.

                        The reaction of this particular sheep is understandable and common. And not just this sheep all animals everywhere act like this when they see the butcher. Therefore, the behavior of this sheep was quite normal. Whereas, all that can be said to the people who are so concerned about this sheep is that the difference between wisdom and hatred is the fact that wisdom never reaches the point of desperation. Be sure you understand your adversary's point before attacking his/her religion, beliefs or character.



                        [This message has been edited by Rarediamonds & Gold (edited March 09, 2001).]

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rani:
                          what about the sikhs who slaughter and eat cows and sheep?

                          Sikhs consider cows scared animals in India and don't eat them ....sometime i wonder if u have ever lived in India. U have very limited knowledge about Punjabis but, you feel necessary have to jump in every debate and talk about them.

                          rani dont worry ,sitting in Canada ,we KNOW lot more about Hinduisation of sikh than you care to know


                          Rani has been completely hinduised back to her fore fathers like hindutva want muslim to do .Ultimately ,no one will be left in india other than hinduised minoreties who will be closr to animal worship lol

                          Comments In their meeting with the members of the National Minorities
                          Commission (Jan 16, 2000), the Rashtriya Seva Sangh (RSS) top brass
                          stated that Sikhism is a separate religion with its own identity,
                          thereby reversing their earlier stance on the subject. This must have
                          come as a temporary relief to most of the Sikhs, who have been deeply
                          agitated by the utterances of RSS leadership. The present rollback of
                          RSS leaders comes in the wake of its attempt to test the waters. The
                          strong protests of most of the Sikhs against celebrating Guru Parab
                          (Guru Govind's birthday) in Hindu temples might have led the RSS top
                          brass to temporarily hold back their agenda. Had they succeeded in
                          selling their 'line' on Sikhism, it would have been a major victory for
                          the Hindutva politics in the imposition of its brand of cultural
                          nationalism, which is a modernized version of the culture based on
                          Brahminical values.
                          The attempt to subjugate the Sikh identity by the dominant and elite
                          Hindu stream is nothing new. In the earlier part of the nineteenth
                          century, Swami Dayanand Saraswati of Arya Samaj came down heavily
                          against Sikh Gurus, Sikh scriptures and the Punjabi language, in
                          response to which Bhai Kahan Singh came out with the book, 'Hum Hindu
                          Nahin'. The current threat to the Sikh identity assumed serious
                          proportions when the RSS chief, K. Sudarshan, while participating in the
                          Rashtriya Sikh Sangat (Sangat) Convention in Amritsar (April 2000) said
                          that Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism while the Khalsa is a part of
                          mainstream Hinduism which was created to protect Hinduism from Mughal
                          tyranny. From that time on, many Sikh organizations undertook protest
                          marches against Sudarshan and pointed out that Sikhism is a religion in
                          its own right and that they will not tolerate the RSS efforts to
                          undermine their separate Sikh identity.

                          The spokesperson of Dal Khalsa went on to say that, the RSS was trying
                          to impose a centralized monolithic society in India and that they would
                          oppose this hegemonic agenda. Meanwhile, many other Sikh organizations
                          pointed out that the RSS was interfering in the religious, cultural,
                          social and political matters of Sikhs an act which should be condemned
                          and opposed. In the Lok Sabha, one MP alleged that the RSS was
                          distributing anti-Sikh literature through the Sangat. It was responsible
                          for disturbing the religious harmony in Punjab. This MP also criticized
                          the Ministry of Human Resource Development for giving Rs. 17 crore to
                          the Sangat for RSS propaganda work.

                          Rashtriya Sikh Sangat has been formed as a progeny of RSS and as a new
                          member of Sangh Parivar. In addition to others, it is being spearhead by
                          one Shri B.L. Sharma 'Prem' -- a BJP/VHP old hand, who gained notoriety
                          for his famous outpouring that "the rape of nuns is an act of patriotism
                          and nationalism." Since then, he has got himself baptized to Sikhism and
                          is now acting as the Trojan Horse of RSS in the Sikh community. Sikhism
                          is not the only religion which is in the 'swallowing line' of RSS. They
                          are already asserting that Buddha is the tenth avatar (reincarnation) of
                          Vishnu. Buddha said nothing new and is a part of the Hindu pantheon.

                          Till recently, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) was against the status of
                          minority being granted to Jainism, because the Parivar regards it as
                          another sect of Hinduism. The ideologues of the Parivar are taking
                          advantage of the fact that all these religions originated from this part
                          of the globe. That they were shrewd in hiding the neo-Brahminical nature
                          of current Hinduism and the Brahminical oppression of society in the
                          ancient times, is most eloquently expressed by their silence on the
                          issue. As such, most of these traditions have been a rebellion against
                          the caste system and the Brahminical hierarchy. Also, these traditions
                          did begin as a 'cry of the oppressed' from the society. Brahminism and
                          its support base amongst the upper caste/elite seemingly always reacted
                          against these rebellions, be it the efforts of Shankar in the 6th
                          century or the political onslaught of kings like Pushyamitra Shung, to
                          establish the kingdom based on a Brahminical social order, the goal has
                          been the same -- to re-impose the social hegemony of elite/upper caste
                          and religious hegemony of theBrahmin caste.

                          While Jainism and Buddhism came at the beginning of the agricultural
                          production, centuries ago, Jainism was muted and Buddhism was banished
                          by the Brahminical onslaught. Nanak's teachings came just a few
                          centuries ago and laid the basis for a religious community with
                          distinctive history and evolution, separate from the Hindu and Muslim
                          religions but drawing the egalitarian aspects from both. Nanak denounced
                          orthodox practitioners of Islam as well as Hinduism and placed his
                          emphasis on the vibrant inter-community relationships based on the
                          subaltern versions of Islam and Hinduism. His teachings, at one level
                          are a synthesis of the values from both the religions like:
                          reincarnation and the doctrine of Karma from Hinduism and the oneness of
                          God and congregation in worship from Islam. They draw heavily from the
                          Sufi tradition (Baba Farid) and Saint Kabir, thereby forming the high
                          point of syncretic traditions in India. Sikhism laid an important
                          emphasis on Pangat (Equality in eating), Sangat (Unity of people) and
                          its concepts came closer to atheism.

                          The establishment of the kingdom around Sikh Gurus led to the cycle of
                          conflict with neighboring Hindu rulers and the Delhi-based Mughal empire
                          and took extreme form with the tenth guru, Guru Govind Singh. Guru
                          Govind stood firm while Aurangazeb was brutally suppressing all the
                          rebellions against the Mughal sultanate. Guru Govind Singh's immediate
                          tussle was with the Raja of Bilaspur, to whom he refused to pay any
                          tribute. This led to the battle in which the Raja of Bilaspur was
                          defeated. Also this brought in the hostility of many of the rajas of the
                          hill states towards Guru Govind Singh. He also had allies in the plains
                          -- the most notable amongst them being the pir of Sadhura.

                          Aurangzeb, along with the Hindu rajas of the plains, drove Guru Govind
                          away from Anandpur and in the battle, his children were caught and
                          tortured. Later there was an attempt at rapprochement from Aurangzeb's
                          side and he invited Guru Govind to meet him in the Deccan. As Guru was
                          on his way to meet him, Aurangzeb died, but the process of
                          reconciliation with the Mughal sultanate continued and in due course,
                          Guru struck an alliance with Aurangzeb's son Bahadurshah Jafar.

                          The distorted interpretation of this historical fact forms the base of
                          'select historiography', whereby the clash between Mughal sultanate is
                          projected and the one between Hindu rajas and Sikhs is suppressed. The
                          conflict between the kings is given religious coloring for the politics
                          of elite. To suit the hegemonic cultural project of RSS, all the
                          traditions which came up as a rebellion against Brahminical Hinduism,
                          against its version of Hinduism, are subsumed in the Grand Hindu
                          Pantheon. Interpretations which hide the true reason for the emergence
                          of those religions are propagated. The real reasons are the one's
                          related to the movement of the oppressed against the social and economic
                          domination of the Brahmin-Landlord upper caste alliance, and these are
                          hidden behind the veil of assertive cultural nationalism.

                          The current opportunism of Akali Dal in allying with the RSS progeny,
                          BJP is making it blind to the real project of the RSS. The severe
                          setback to the Sikh community due the 1984 anti-Sikh pogrom is projected
                          to show the devil in Congress alone. The real role of the RSS in backing
                          up the Indira-Rajiv onslaught on Sikhs, is deliberately underplayed. It
                          is interesting to note that one of the significant articles by a top RSS
                          ideologue, Nanaji Deshmukh, which subtly supports Rajiv's turning the
                          other way, in the face of the post-Indira-assassination-anti-Sikh
                          pogroms, is hardly known. Mr. Deshmukh in a document circulated to the
                          top echelons of political leadership in the wake of the '84 pogroms
                          presents them as the genuine feeling of anger of Hindus against the
                          Sikhs. He presents the whole thing as though the whole Sikh community
                          was supporting the act of the two guards of Mrs. Gandhi and that because
                          of the assassination, they should quietly bear this attack on the
                          innocent Sikhs.

                          In the same article he blesses the Rajiv regime while blaming the Sikh
                          intellectuals for alienating the Sikhs from the Hindu community (Moments
                          of Soul Searching by Nanaji Deshmukh, translated and published in the
                          Hindi journal, Pratipaksh, Nov. 25, 1984). Incidentally this weekly
                          journal at the time was published by none other than the erstwhile
                          secular-socialist, George Fernandes, who is currently enjoying the
                          warmth of BJP's lap. The current rollback is no moment of respite for
                          those who are struggling for a democratic-secular society. It is merely
                          an attempt to assuage the feelings of an enraged Sikh community. A
                          leopard can change its spots, but RSS cannot overcome its politics of
                          Hindu rashtra in pursuance of which it wants to subjugate other
                          religious streams, which have emerged in the subcontinent. It is a
                          temporary strategy and in a newer version, on a newer occasion the same
                          thing will be asserted. And as always, when confronted, the Parivar can
                          always say, "Our Sar Sangh Chalaka has been misquoted ad infinitum." But
                          by now its designs are there for all to see.

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                          barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
                          jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakt

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                            #14
                            For a second forget about the slaughtering.. could any of you survive of daal and chapaathi 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

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                              #15
                              I simply dont get the purpose of this thread....

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